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On September 24 2013 05:09 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 05:06 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 04:59 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 04:42 Zooper31 wrote:On September 24 2013 03:20 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 03:17 Forikorder wrote:"Doflamingo has also a sweet spot for young promising rookies and if they are ambitious enough he takes them under his wing. Like Law, who is where he is today because DD took him in and mentored the kid and even considered him as far as a younger brother."
right this is the part where i can find no evidence at all in the story is true Some things requires pattern recognition to notice as it might not be stated flat out in the story. pay attention to details and its fairly obvious. It's not fairly obvious to anyone but you. Maybe that mean's it's not true and you're thinking about it way too much and coming up with your own conclusions. DF likes to "mentor", recruit or associate with promising rookies. This goes back to Bellamy and his Crew. most of his crew/allies that we have seen are about half his age. This is similiar to Whitebeards "Family" Ideal. In fact, DD calls his crew his "family" too, but i think he sees himself more of a brother than a father figure to his crewmates. You will find more information and examples regarding this subject on DDs wiki page. "Despite his apathy for the weak, he often seems to make alliances with promising rookies. He adopted Trafalgar Law, Vergo and Bellamy into his crew and apparently did it very early on their journeys, and treated Law and Baby 5 as though they were his younger siblings (One Piece Manga — Vol. 70 Chapter 692)" the wiki is completely worthless, ch 692 has absolutely nothing to do with Caeser he only saids like 2 lines ill say it again, theres no evidence that Law had anything to do with DD pre-time skip what? how can you betray someone you never had anything to do with? why would DD "hold" his heart chair if Law never sat on it?
because DD is crazy
he probably jsut assumed that Law wanted the chair without ever asking him, or did ask him and he refused and just assumed Law was playing hard to get
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yeah, the heart pirates flag is a modification of DDs flag. Same Eyes and teeth pattern.
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On September 24 2013 05:10 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 05:09 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:06 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 04:59 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 04:42 Zooper31 wrote:On September 24 2013 03:20 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 03:17 Forikorder wrote:"Doflamingo has also a sweet spot for young promising rookies and if they are ambitious enough he takes them under his wing. Like Law, who is where he is today because DD took him in and mentored the kid and even considered him as far as a younger brother."
right this is the part where i can find no evidence at all in the story is true Some things requires pattern recognition to notice as it might not be stated flat out in the story. pay attention to details and its fairly obvious. It's not fairly obvious to anyone but you. Maybe that mean's it's not true and you're thinking about it way too much and coming up with your own conclusions. DF likes to "mentor", recruit or associate with promising rookies. This goes back to Bellamy and his Crew. most of his crew/allies that we have seen are about half his age. This is similiar to Whitebeards "Family" Ideal. In fact, DD calls his crew his "family" too, but i think he sees himself more of a brother than a father figure to his crewmates. You will find more information and examples regarding this subject on DDs wiki page. "Despite his apathy for the weak, he often seems to make alliances with promising rookies. He adopted Trafalgar Law, Vergo and Bellamy into his crew and apparently did it very early on their journeys, and treated Law and Baby 5 as though they were his younger siblings (One Piece Manga — Vol. 70 Chapter 692)" the wiki is completely worthless, ch 692 has absolutely nothing to do with Caeser he only saids like 2 lines ill say it again, theres no evidence that Law had anything to do with DD pre-time skip what? how can you betray someone you never had anything to do with? why would DD "hold" his heart chair if Law never sat on it? because DD is crazy he probably jsut assumed that Law wanted the chair without ever asking him, or did ask him and he refused and just assumed Law was playing hard to get
i assume vergo was crazy aswell then for beating law to an inch of his life twice for his "betrayal"?
Ok, lets play your game. Show me evidence that DD is as batshit crazy that you claim. he is portrayed as one of the most intelligent, cool-tempered and reserved pirates in the series, using mind games, psychological warfare and has managed to make himself most important faction in the underworld. He will avoid a time consuming fight if he can or has no reason to fight it, wich is a very rare attribute in the OP world. He has also said some very insightful things like:
"Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!"
wich is probably the most insightful and true quote in the manga so far.
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On September 24 2013 05:16 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 05:10 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:09 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:06 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 04:59 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 04:42 Zooper31 wrote:On September 24 2013 03:20 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 03:17 Forikorder wrote:"Doflamingo has also a sweet spot for young promising rookies and if they are ambitious enough he takes them under his wing. Like Law, who is where he is today because DD took him in and mentored the kid and even considered him as far as a younger brother."
right this is the part where i can find no evidence at all in the story is true Some things requires pattern recognition to notice as it might not be stated flat out in the story. pay attention to details and its fairly obvious. It's not fairly obvious to anyone but you. Maybe that mean's it's not true and you're thinking about it way too much and coming up with your own conclusions. DF likes to "mentor", recruit or associate with promising rookies. This goes back to Bellamy and his Crew. most of his crew/allies that we have seen are about half his age. This is similiar to Whitebeards "Family" Ideal. In fact, DD calls his crew his "family" too, but i think he sees himself more of a brother than a father figure to his crewmates. You will find more information and examples regarding this subject on DDs wiki page. "Despite his apathy for the weak, he often seems to make alliances with promising rookies. He adopted Trafalgar Law, Vergo and Bellamy into his crew and apparently did it very early on their journeys, and treated Law and Baby 5 as though they were his younger siblings (One Piece Manga — Vol. 70 Chapter 692)" the wiki is completely worthless, ch 692 has absolutely nothing to do with Caeser he only saids like 2 lines ill say it again, theres no evidence that Law had anything to do with DD pre-time skip what? how can you betray someone you never had anything to do with? why would DD "hold" his heart chair if Law never sat on it? because DD is crazy he probably jsut assumed that Law wanted the chair without ever asking him, or did ask him and he refused and just assumed Law was playing hard to get i assume vergo was crazy aswell then for beating law to an inch of his life twice for his "betrayal"? Ok, lets play your game. Show me evidence that DD is as batshit crazy that you claim. he is portrayed as one of the most intelligent pirates in the series, using mind games, psychological warfare and has managed to make himself most important faction in the underworld. He has also said some very insightful things like: "Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!" wich is probably the most insightful and true quote in the manga so far.
Vergos loyal enough to follow someone in insanity, and even if Vergo didnt personally think it a betrayal that Dofla does is enough for him
also your confusing stupidity with craziness
also his speel was complete bull uttered by villains to attempt to justify the atrocities they commit
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On September 24 2013 05:19 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 05:16 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:10 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:09 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:06 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 04:59 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 04:42 Zooper31 wrote:On September 24 2013 03:20 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 03:17 Forikorder wrote:"Doflamingo has also a sweet spot for young promising rookies and if they are ambitious enough he takes them under his wing. Like Law, who is where he is today because DD took him in and mentored the kid and even considered him as far as a younger brother."
right this is the part where i can find no evidence at all in the story is true Some things requires pattern recognition to notice as it might not be stated flat out in the story. pay attention to details and its fairly obvious. It's not fairly obvious to anyone but you. Maybe that mean's it's not true and you're thinking about it way too much and coming up with your own conclusions. DF likes to "mentor", recruit or associate with promising rookies. This goes back to Bellamy and his Crew. most of his crew/allies that we have seen are about half his age. This is similiar to Whitebeards "Family" Ideal. In fact, DD calls his crew his "family" too, but i think he sees himself more of a brother than a father figure to his crewmates. You will find more information and examples regarding this subject on DDs wiki page. "Despite his apathy for the weak, he often seems to make alliances with promising rookies. He adopted Trafalgar Law, Vergo and Bellamy into his crew and apparently did it very early on their journeys, and treated Law and Baby 5 as though they were his younger siblings (One Piece Manga — Vol. 70 Chapter 692)" the wiki is completely worthless, ch 692 has absolutely nothing to do with Caeser he only saids like 2 lines ill say it again, theres no evidence that Law had anything to do with DD pre-time skip what? how can you betray someone you never had anything to do with? why would DD "hold" his heart chair if Law never sat on it? because DD is crazy he probably jsut assumed that Law wanted the chair without ever asking him, or did ask him and he refused and just assumed Law was playing hard to get i assume vergo was crazy aswell then for beating law to an inch of his life twice for his "betrayal"? Ok, lets play your game. Show me evidence that DD is as batshit crazy that you claim. he is portrayed as one of the most intelligent pirates in the series, using mind games, psychological warfare and has managed to make himself most important faction in the underworld. He has also said some very insightful things like: "Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!" wich is probably the most insightful and true quote in the manga so far. Vergos loyal enough to follow someone in insanity, and even if Vergo didnt personally think it a betrayal that Dofla does is enough for him also your confusing stupidity with craziness also his speel was complete bull uttered by villains to attempt to justify the atrocities they commit
That just shows that you dont understand his quote. it was a counter to akainu and sengokus speech about marines defending justice and pirates being evil. In a world where each faction commits cold blooded murder for the sake of hate and bloodlust, there are no good guys or bad guys. DD is a pirate. he is just as much of a villain/bad guy as any other pirate with his rank and experience. And he didnt care about the outcome of the war at all.
you seem to have completley missunderstood his character.
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On September 24 2013 05:26 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 05:19 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:16 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:10 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:09 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:06 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 04:59 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 04:42 Zooper31 wrote:On September 24 2013 03:20 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 03:17 Forikorder wrote:
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right this is the part where i can find no evidence at all in the story is true Some things requires pattern recognition to notice as it might not be stated flat out in the story. pay attention to details and its fairly obvious. It's not fairly obvious to anyone but you. Maybe that mean's it's not true and you're thinking about it way too much and coming up with your own conclusions. DF likes to "mentor", recruit or associate with promising rookies. This goes back to Bellamy and his Crew. most of his crew/allies that we have seen are about half his age. This is similiar to Whitebeards "Family" Ideal. In fact, DD calls his crew his "family" too, but i think he sees himself more of a brother than a father figure to his crewmates. You will find more information and examples regarding this subject on DDs wiki page. "Despite his apathy for the weak, he often seems to make alliances with promising rookies. He adopted Trafalgar Law, Vergo and Bellamy into his crew and apparently did it very early on their journeys, and treated Law and Baby 5 as though they were his younger siblings (One Piece Manga — Vol. 70 Chapter 692)" the wiki is completely worthless, ch 692 has absolutely nothing to do with Caeser he only saids like 2 lines ill say it again, theres no evidence that Law had anything to do with DD pre-time skip what? how can you betray someone you never had anything to do with? why would DD "hold" his heart chair if Law never sat on it? because DD is crazy he probably jsut assumed that Law wanted the chair without ever asking him, or did ask him and he refused and just assumed Law was playing hard to get i assume vergo was crazy aswell then for beating law to an inch of his life twice for his "betrayal"? Ok, lets play your game. Show me evidence that DD is as batshit crazy that you claim. he is portrayed as one of the most intelligent pirates in the series, using mind games, psychological warfare and has managed to make himself most important faction in the underworld. He has also said some very insightful things like: "Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!" wich is probably the most insightful and true quote in the manga so far. Vergos loyal enough to follow someone in insanity, and even if Vergo didnt personally think it a betrayal that Dofla does is enough for him also your confusing stupidity with craziness also his speel was complete bull uttered by villains to attempt to justify the atrocities they commit That just shows that you dont understand his quote. it was a counter to akainu and sengokus speech about marines defending justice and pirates being evil. In a world where each faction commits cold blooded murder for the sake of hate and bloodlust, there are no good guys or bad guys. DD is a pirate. he is just as much of a villain/bad guy as any other pirate with his rank and experience. And he didnt care about the outcome of the war at all. you seem to have completley missunderstood his character.
just because the WG has some rotten apples like Akainu doesnt mean they all commit cold blooded murder the majority of them seem to be nice people who legit uphold justice around the world
one bad egg doesnt spil the whole batch
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On September 24 2013 05:29 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 05:26 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:19 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:16 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:10 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:09 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:06 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 04:59 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 04:42 Zooper31 wrote:On September 24 2013 03:20 sc2holar wrote:
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Some things requires pattern recognition to notice as it might not be stated flat out in the story. pay attention to details and its fairly obvious. It's not fairly obvious to anyone but you. Maybe that mean's it's not true and you're thinking about it way too much and coming up with your own conclusions. DF likes to "mentor", recruit or associate with promising rookies. This goes back to Bellamy and his Crew. most of his crew/allies that we have seen are about half his age. This is similiar to Whitebeards "Family" Ideal. In fact, DD calls his crew his "family" too, but i think he sees himself more of a brother than a father figure to his crewmates. You will find more information and examples regarding this subject on DDs wiki page. "Despite his apathy for the weak, he often seems to make alliances with promising rookies. He adopted Trafalgar Law, Vergo and Bellamy into his crew and apparently did it very early on their journeys, and treated Law and Baby 5 as though they were his younger siblings (One Piece Manga — Vol. 70 Chapter 692)" the wiki is completely worthless, ch 692 has absolutely nothing to do with Caeser he only saids like 2 lines ill say it again, theres no evidence that Law had anything to do with DD pre-time skip what? how can you betray someone you never had anything to do with? why would DD "hold" his heart chair if Law never sat on it? because DD is crazy he probably jsut assumed that Law wanted the chair without ever asking him, or did ask him and he refused and just assumed Law was playing hard to get i assume vergo was crazy aswell then for beating law to an inch of his life twice for his "betrayal"? Ok, lets play your game. Show me evidence that DD is as batshit crazy that you claim. he is portrayed as one of the most intelligent pirates in the series, using mind games, psychological warfare and has managed to make himself most important faction in the underworld. He has also said some very insightful things like: "Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!" wich is probably the most insightful and true quote in the manga so far. Vergos loyal enough to follow someone in insanity, and even if Vergo didnt personally think it a betrayal that Dofla does is enough for him also your confusing stupidity with craziness also his speel was complete bull uttered by villains to attempt to justify the atrocities they commit That just shows that you dont understand his quote. it was a counter to akainu and sengokus speech about marines defending justice and pirates being evil. In a world where each faction commits cold blooded murder for the sake of hate and bloodlust, there are no good guys or bad guys. DD is a pirate. he is just as much of a villain/bad guy as any other pirate with his rank and experience. And he didnt care about the outcome of the war at all. you seem to have completley missunderstood his character. just because the WG has some rotten apples like Akainu doesnt mean they all commit cold blooded murder the majority of them seem to be nice people who legit uphold justice around the world one bad egg doesnt spil the whole batch
And the same goes for pirates. plenty of fairly nice guy arounds. No matter how you twist or turn things, the only ones in OP who personify evil and villainy are the celestial dragons.
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On September 24 2013 05:32 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 05:29 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:26 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:19 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:16 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:10 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:09 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:06 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 04:59 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 04:42 Zooper31 wrote:
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It's not fairly obvious to anyone but you. Maybe that mean's it's not true and you're thinking about it way too much and coming up with your own conclusions. DF likes to "mentor", recruit or associate with promising rookies. This goes back to Bellamy and his Crew. most of his crew/allies that we have seen are about half his age. This is similiar to Whitebeards "Family" Ideal. In fact, DD calls his crew his "family" too, but i think he sees himself more of a brother than a father figure to his crewmates. You will find more information and examples regarding this subject on DDs wiki page. "Despite his apathy for the weak, he often seems to make alliances with promising rookies. He adopted Trafalgar Law, Vergo and Bellamy into his crew and apparently did it very early on their journeys, and treated Law and Baby 5 as though they were his younger siblings (One Piece Manga — Vol. 70 Chapter 692)" the wiki is completely worthless, ch 692 has absolutely nothing to do with Caeser he only saids like 2 lines ill say it again, theres no evidence that Law had anything to do with DD pre-time skip what? how can you betray someone you never had anything to do with? why would DD "hold" his heart chair if Law never sat on it? because DD is crazy he probably jsut assumed that Law wanted the chair without ever asking him, or did ask him and he refused and just assumed Law was playing hard to get i assume vergo was crazy aswell then for beating law to an inch of his life twice for his "betrayal"? Ok, lets play your game. Show me evidence that DD is as batshit crazy that you claim. he is portrayed as one of the most intelligent pirates in the series, using mind games, psychological warfare and has managed to make himself most important faction in the underworld. He has also said some very insightful things like: "Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!" wich is probably the most insightful and true quote in the manga so far. Vergos loyal enough to follow someone in insanity, and even if Vergo didnt personally think it a betrayal that Dofla does is enough for him also your confusing stupidity with craziness also his speel was complete bull uttered by villains to attempt to justify the atrocities they commit That just shows that you dont understand his quote. it was a counter to akainu and sengokus speech about marines defending justice and pirates being evil. In a world where each faction commits cold blooded murder for the sake of hate and bloodlust, there are no good guys or bad guys. DD is a pirate. he is just as much of a villain/bad guy as any other pirate with his rank and experience. And he didnt care about the outcome of the war at all. you seem to have completley missunderstood his character. just because the WG has some rotten apples like Akainu doesnt mean they all commit cold blooded murder the majority of them seem to be nice people who legit uphold justice around the world one bad egg doesnt spil the whole batch And the same goes for pirates. plenty of fairly nice guy arounds. Yet there are still wars where thousands die for no reason.
assuming you mean the war at marineford, the pirates attacked the heart of the Marines and the marines defended it with there lives, if a side is evil in that conflict it would undouibtably be whitebeard
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On September 24 2013 05:34 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 05:32 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:29 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:26 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:19 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:16 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:10 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:09 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:06 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 04:59 sc2holar wrote:
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DF likes to "mentor", recruit or associate with promising rookies. This goes back to Bellamy and his Crew. most of his crew/allies that we have seen are about half his age. This is similiar to Whitebeards "Family" Ideal. In fact, DD calls his crew his "family" too, but i think he sees himself more of a brother than a father figure to his crewmates. You will find more information and examples regarding this subject on DDs wiki page.
"Despite his apathy for the weak, he often seems to make alliances with promising rookies. He adopted Trafalgar Law, Vergo and Bellamy into his crew and apparently did it very early on their journeys, and treated Law and Baby 5 as though they were his younger siblings (One Piece Manga — Vol. 70 Chapter 692)" the wiki is completely worthless, ch 692 has absolutely nothing to do with Caeser he only saids like 2 lines ill say it again, theres no evidence that Law had anything to do with DD pre-time skip what? how can you betray someone you never had anything to do with? why would DD "hold" his heart chair if Law never sat on it? because DD is crazy he probably jsut assumed that Law wanted the chair without ever asking him, or did ask him and he refused and just assumed Law was playing hard to get i assume vergo was crazy aswell then for beating law to an inch of his life twice for his "betrayal"? Ok, lets play your game. Show me evidence that DD is as batshit crazy that you claim. he is portrayed as one of the most intelligent pirates in the series, using mind games, psychological warfare and has managed to make himself most important faction in the underworld. He has also said some very insightful things like: "Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!" wich is probably the most insightful and true quote in the manga so far. Vergos loyal enough to follow someone in insanity, and even if Vergo didnt personally think it a betrayal that Dofla does is enough for him also your confusing stupidity with craziness also his speel was complete bull uttered by villains to attempt to justify the atrocities they commit That just shows that you dont understand his quote. it was a counter to akainu and sengokus speech about marines defending justice and pirates being evil. In a world where each faction commits cold blooded murder for the sake of hate and bloodlust, there are no good guys or bad guys. DD is a pirate. he is just as much of a villain/bad guy as any other pirate with his rank and experience. And he didnt care about the outcome of the war at all. you seem to have completley missunderstood his character. just because the WG has some rotten apples like Akainu doesnt mean they all commit cold blooded murder the majority of them seem to be nice people who legit uphold justice around the world one bad egg doesnt spil the whole batch And the same goes for pirates. plenty of fairly nice guy arounds. Yet there are still wars where thousands die for no reason. assuming you mean the war at marineford, the pirates attacked the heart of the Marines and the marines defended it with there lives, if a side is evil in that conflict it would undouibtably be whitebeard
You ignore the part where thousands of pirates try to reatreat and surrender but the marines are ordered to leave their wounded behind chase down and kill every single pirate (and marines who attempt to retreat) for no other reason than sheer bloodlust and utilitarian ideals.
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On September 24 2013 05:38 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 05:34 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:32 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:29 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:26 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:19 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:16 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:10 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:09 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:06 Forikorder wrote:
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the wiki is completely worthless, ch 692 has absolutely nothing to do with Caeser he only saids like 2 lines
ill say it again, theres no evidence that Law had anything to do with DD pre-time skip what? how can you betray someone you never had anything to do with? why would DD "hold" his heart chair if Law never sat on it? because DD is crazy he probably jsut assumed that Law wanted the chair without ever asking him, or did ask him and he refused and just assumed Law was playing hard to get i assume vergo was crazy aswell then for beating law to an inch of his life twice for his "betrayal"? Ok, lets play your game. Show me evidence that DD is as batshit crazy that you claim. he is portrayed as one of the most intelligent pirates in the series, using mind games, psychological warfare and has managed to make himself most important faction in the underworld. He has also said some very insightful things like: "Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!" wich is probably the most insightful and true quote in the manga so far. Vergos loyal enough to follow someone in insanity, and even if Vergo didnt personally think it a betrayal that Dofla does is enough for him also your confusing stupidity with craziness also his speel was complete bull uttered by villains to attempt to justify the atrocities they commit That just shows that you dont understand his quote. it was a counter to akainu and sengokus speech about marines defending justice and pirates being evil. In a world where each faction commits cold blooded murder for the sake of hate and bloodlust, there are no good guys or bad guys. DD is a pirate. he is just as much of a villain/bad guy as any other pirate with his rank and experience. And he didnt care about the outcome of the war at all. you seem to have completley missunderstood his character. just because the WG has some rotten apples like Akainu doesnt mean they all commit cold blooded murder the majority of them seem to be nice people who legit uphold justice around the world one bad egg doesnt spil the whole batch And the same goes for pirates. plenty of fairly nice guy arounds. Yet there are still wars where thousands die for no reason. assuming you mean the war at marineford, the pirates attacked the heart of the Marines and the marines defended it with there lives, if a side is evil in that conflict it would undouibtably be whitebeard You ignore the part where thousands of pirates try to reatreat and surrender but the marines are ordered to chase down and kill every single one of them for no other reason than sheer bloodlust and utilitarian ideals.
you forget the part where as soon as they get a second to think they stop and back off
people do crazy shit in such an extreme situation im willing to bet most of them didnt even realise stop was an option
plus you had Akainu going around killing any marines who tried to stop
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On September 24 2013 05:41 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 05:38 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:34 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:32 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:29 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:26 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:19 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:16 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:10 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:09 sc2holar wrote:
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what? how can you betray someone you never had anything to do with? why would DD "hold" his heart chair if Law never sat on it? because DD is crazy he probably jsut assumed that Law wanted the chair without ever asking him, or did ask him and he refused and just assumed Law was playing hard to get i assume vergo was crazy aswell then for beating law to an inch of his life twice for his "betrayal"? Ok, lets play your game. Show me evidence that DD is as batshit crazy that you claim. he is portrayed as one of the most intelligent pirates in the series, using mind games, psychological warfare and has managed to make himself most important faction in the underworld. He has also said some very insightful things like: "Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!" wich is probably the most insightful and true quote in the manga so far. Vergos loyal enough to follow someone in insanity, and even if Vergo didnt personally think it a betrayal that Dofla does is enough for him also your confusing stupidity with craziness also his speel was complete bull uttered by villains to attempt to justify the atrocities they commit That just shows that you dont understand his quote. it was a counter to akainu and sengokus speech about marines defending justice and pirates being evil. In a world where each faction commits cold blooded murder for the sake of hate and bloodlust, there are no good guys or bad guys. DD is a pirate. he is just as much of a villain/bad guy as any other pirate with his rank and experience. And he didnt care about the outcome of the war at all. you seem to have completley missunderstood his character. just because the WG has some rotten apples like Akainu doesnt mean they all commit cold blooded murder the majority of them seem to be nice people who legit uphold justice around the world one bad egg doesnt spil the whole batch And the same goes for pirates. plenty of fairly nice guy arounds. Yet there are still wars where thousands die for no reason. assuming you mean the war at marineford, the pirates attacked the heart of the Marines and the marines defended it with there lives, if a side is evil in that conflict it would undouibtably be whitebeard You ignore the part where thousands of pirates try to reatreat and surrender but the marines are ordered to chase down and kill every single one of them for no other reason than sheer bloodlust and utilitarian ideals. you forget the part where as soon as they get a second to think they stop and back off people do crazy shit in such an extreme situation im willing to bet most of them didnt even realise stop was an option plus you had Akainu going around killing any marines who tried to stop
Lol what? it ended because shanks intervened.
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On September 24 2013 05:47 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 05:41 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:38 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:34 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:32 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:29 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:26 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:19 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 05:16 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 05:10 Forikorder wrote:
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because DD is crazy
he probably jsut assumed that Law wanted the chair without ever asking him, or did ask him and he refused and just assumed Law was playing hard to get i assume vergo was crazy aswell then for beating law to an inch of his life twice for his "betrayal"? Ok, lets play your game. Show me evidence that DD is as batshit crazy that you claim. he is portrayed as one of the most intelligent pirates in the series, using mind games, psychological warfare and has managed to make himself most important faction in the underworld. He has also said some very insightful things like: "Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!" wich is probably the most insightful and true quote in the manga so far. Vergos loyal enough to follow someone in insanity, and even if Vergo didnt personally think it a betrayal that Dofla does is enough for him also your confusing stupidity with craziness also his speel was complete bull uttered by villains to attempt to justify the atrocities they commit That just shows that you dont understand his quote. it was a counter to akainu and sengokus speech about marines defending justice and pirates being evil. In a world where each faction commits cold blooded murder for the sake of hate and bloodlust, there are no good guys or bad guys. DD is a pirate. he is just as much of a villain/bad guy as any other pirate with his rank and experience. And he didnt care about the outcome of the war at all. you seem to have completley missunderstood his character. just because the WG has some rotten apples like Akainu doesnt mean they all commit cold blooded murder the majority of them seem to be nice people who legit uphold justice around the world one bad egg doesnt spil the whole batch And the same goes for pirates. plenty of fairly nice guy arounds. Yet there are still wars where thousands die for no reason. assuming you mean the war at marineford, the pirates attacked the heart of the Marines and the marines defended it with there lives, if a side is evil in that conflict it would undouibtably be whitebeard You ignore the part where thousands of pirates try to reatreat and surrender but the marines are ordered to chase down and kill every single one of them for no other reason than sheer bloodlust and utilitarian ideals. you forget the part where as soon as they get a second to think they stop and back off people do crazy shit in such an extreme situation im willing to bet most of them didnt even realise stop was an option plus you had Akainu going around killing any marines who tried to stop Lol what? it ended because shanks intervened.
ya what do you think i meant by "get a second to think"?
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what the hell is so good and just about the marines?
they're the enforcers of the world government / tenryuubito, which makes them the right hand of racists/slavers/worst scum of the world we've seen so far (even kidd commented on that during the shabaody auctionhouse incident)
all the higher up marines know what's going on in mariejoa and I don't see them doing anything about it
WG/marines simply happen to be on top, they get to say what's good and what's not
hence DD saying that whoever wins here gets to define who's 'good' and who's 'evil'
this works in the real world too you know
it was pretty amusing/bewildering to see so many people (happily, there were many who understood what's up) celebrate the death of a human (osama bin laden) when they were the moral and just side
if they were truly moral they'd have made a simple announcement, explained why there wasn't any better solution, lament the need for the extremity of the measures and say they hoped they never had to do it again
but they celebrated
DD (oda) gets it just fine
btw, to avoid any misinterpretations, the real world is as gray as it gets compared to the black/white of the one piece world
there aren't any tenryuubito around here, thankfully
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On September 24 2013 06:00 Taguchi wrote:
what the hell is so good and just about the marines?
they're the enforcers of the world government / tenryuubito, which makes them the right hand of racists/slavers/worst scum of the world we've seen so far (even kidd commented on that during the shabaody auctionhouse incident)
all the higher up marines know what's going on in mariejoa and I don't see them doing anything about it
WG/marines simply happen to be on top, they get to say what's good and what's not
hence DD saying that whoever wins here gets to define who's 'good' and who's 'evil'
this works in the real world too you know
it was pretty amusing/bewildering to see so many people (happily, there were many who understood what's up) celebrate the death of a human (osama bin laden) when they were the moral and just side
if they were truly moral they'd have made a simple announcement, explained why there wasn't any better solution, lament the need for the extremity of the measures and say they hoped they never had to do it again
but they celebrated
DD (oda) gets it just fine
btw, to avoid any misinterpretations, the real world is as gray as it gets compared to the black/white of the one piece world
there aren't any tenryuubito around here, thankfully
your gonna try and tell me that Smoker is evil?
just because the top brass in the WG are bad eggs doesnt mean the marines as a whole are rotten aside from the actions of the tenryuubito the marines keep everyone safe and happy
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Why is Forikorder still a member on this forum? I swear I only ever see him troll and bait people into warnings
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On September 24 2013 06:04 Raneth wrote:
Why is Forikorder still a member on this forum? I swear I only ever see him troll and bait people into warnings
I agree with him in this particular discussion actually.
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Proof that Law has met DD before:
before he hangs up on him after making his demands, he mocks him by saying "I remember how you always used to preach about the "New Era. Well now the New Era is here, and we are coming for you"
How would he know about DDs new Era philosophy without being around him? its not like he is one pieces answer to Howard Stern, who makes public broadcasts that millions tune in to (altough that would be fucking perfect). I bet anyone who has been part of his crew can recall him "always preaching about the new era" stuff
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On September 24 2013 06:05 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 06:04 Raneth wrote:
Why is Forikorder still a member on this forum? I swear I only ever see him troll and bait people into warnings I agree with him in this particular discussion actually.
I was referring particularly this time to "they had a second to think therefore stopped"
"i think you mean shanks stopped them"
"what do you think i meant by had time to think?"
Just weird non-admittance of fault like we cant see what he wrote seconds before, it baffles me and if i was ever engaged in a conversation with him im sure i would end up with a warning aswell. Its just his manner of discussion being really obnoxious and baiting than that his content is always wrong
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On September 24 2013 06:03 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 06:00 Taguchi wrote:
what the hell is so good and just about the marines?
they're the enforcers of the world government / tenryuubito, which makes them the right hand of racists/slavers/worst scum of the world we've seen so far (even kidd commented on that during the shabaody auctionhouse incident)
all the higher up marines know what's going on in mariejoa and I don't see them doing anything about it
WG/marines simply happen to be on top, they get to say what's good and what's not
hence DD saying that whoever wins here gets to define who's 'good' and who's 'evil'
this works in the real world too you know
it was pretty amusing/bewildering to see so many people (happily, there were many who understood what's up) celebrate the death of a human (osama bin laden) when they were the moral and just side
if they were truly moral they'd have made a simple announcement, explained why there wasn't any better solution, lament the need for the extremity of the measures and say they hoped they never had to do it again
but they celebrated
DD (oda) gets it just fine
btw, to avoid any misinterpretations, the real world is as gray as it gets compared to the black/white of the one piece world
there aren't any tenryuubito around here, thankfully your gonna try and tell me that Smoker is evil? just because the top brass in the WG are bad eggs doesnt mean the marines as a whole are rotten aside from the actions of the tenryuubito the marines keep everyone safe and happy
He is a good man working for a bad cause. Im sure Smoker would be just as disgusted by the Tenryuubutos actions if he witnessed them. It could cause him to quit the marines and team up with Kuzan (he owes him a big one for saving his life)
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On September 24 2013 06:10 Raneth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 06:05 Zooper31 wrote:On September 24 2013 06:04 Raneth wrote:
Why is Forikorder still a member on this forum? I swear I only ever see him troll and bait people into warnings I agree with him in this particular discussion actually. I was referring particularly this time to "they had a second to think therefore stopped" "i think you mean shanks stopped them" "what do you think i meant by had time to think?" Just weird non-admittance of fault like we cant see what he wrote seconds before, it baffles me and if i was ever engaged in a conversation with him im sure i would end up with a warning aswell. Its just his manner of discussion being really obnoxious and baiting than that his content is always wrong
what else could i possibly have been referring to by what i said? before Shanks intervened it was just non-stop battle with there lives on the line only Shanks interference caused a break in the war
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