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On September 21 2013 23:44 Mataza wrote:
Only time will tell, why do you insist on making this thread unreadable?
All I know is that whenever someone is very sure something happens(like "Law will die in exactly this fight") they have usually been wrong.
Also someone dying for going with his ballsy plan has only once lead to a death in One Piece. And that was Sabo in a flashback(and he might have survived).
The message of OP can be said as "follow your dreams, worry about consequences later". Someone dying for exactly that sounds a bit grim, eh?
im trying to raise Questions. I dont think law will die, he has to stay around and become the next generations whitebeard to the future pirate king Monkey D. Luffy. But im trying to keep all doors open. if you tell me what it is that im doing that makes the thread unreadable, ill stop doint it. But i will still point out factual inacurracies and ask important questions, like why why law hasnt killes Caesar yet. it seems like the only thing he can do right now and considering how DD alreqdy broke their deal ir would be more than justified.
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On September 22 2013 07:11 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 23:44 Mataza wrote:
Only time will tell, why do you insist on making this thread unreadable?
All I know is that whenever someone is very sure something happens(like "Law will die in exactly this fight") they have usually been wrong.
Also someone dying for going with his ballsy plan has only once lead to a death in One Piece. And that was Sabo in a flashback(and he might have survived).
The message of OP can be said as "follow your dreams, worry about consequences later". Someone dying for exactly that sounds a bit grim, eh? im trying to raise Questions. I dont think law will die, he has to stay around and become the next generations whitebeard to the future pirate king Monkey D. Luffy. But im trying to keep all doors open. if you tell me what it is that im doing that makes the thread unreadable, ill stop doint it. But i will still point out factual inacurracies and ask important questions, like why why law hasnt killes Caesar yet. it seems like the only thing he can do right now and considering how DD alreqdy broke their deal ir would be more than justified.
To kill Ceasar would absolutely secure Laws death 100%. If he were to kill ceasar then DD would outright obliterate him on the spot out of rage. With Ceasar alive he may think he could escape with leverage to somehow continue his plan in some way i should think.
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I feel like everyone is forgetting that One Piece is also a manga where people don't die. The ruthless killing of random main characters is totally out of character for the whole manga.
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On September 22 2013 07:25 kirsed wrote:
I feel like everyone is forgetting that One Piece is also a manga where people don't die. The ruthless killing of random main characters is totally out of character for the whole manga.
true. if someone dies, you better see a month of flashbacks before it happens.
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On September 22 2013 11:09 JiYan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 07:25 kirsed wrote:
I feel like everyone is forgetting that One Piece is also a manga where people don't die. The ruthless killing of random main characters is totally out of character for the whole manga. true. if someone dies, you better see a month of flashbacks before it happens.
And we haven't delved into Law's history yet.....
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Woot, finally Zoro kicks Monet's ass in the episode. So badass ^_^
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On September 22 2013 11:50 Elerris wrote:
Woot, finally Zoro kicks Monet's ass the in the episode. So badass ^_^
they did a good job too. They showed gore and blood. I was actually cringing at some of the scenes lol.
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On September 22 2013 07:21 shark. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 07:11 sc2holar wrote:On September 21 2013 23:44 Mataza wrote:
Only time will tell, why do you insist on making this thread unreadable?
All I know is that whenever someone is very sure something happens(like "Law will die in exactly this fight") they have usually been wrong.
Also someone dying for going with his ballsy plan has only once lead to a death in One Piece. And that was Sabo in a flashback(and he might have survived).
The message of OP can be said as "follow your dreams, worry about consequences later". Someone dying for exactly that sounds a bit grim, eh? im trying to raise Questions. I dont think law will die, he has to stay around and become the next generations whitebeard to the future pirate king Monkey D. Luffy. But im trying to keep all doors open. if you tell me what it is that im doing that makes the thread unreadable, ill stop doint it. But i will still point out factual inacurracies and ask important questions, like why why law hasnt killes Caesar yet. it seems like the only thing he can do right now and considering how DD alreqdy broke their deal ir would be more than justified. To kill Ceasar would absolutely secure Laws death 100%. If he were to kill ceasar then DD would outright obliterate him on the spot out of rage. With Ceasar alive he may think he could escape with leverage to somehow continue his plan in some way i should think.
he probably needs Caesor for something or maybe he needs Dofla and doesnt want to burn the bridge by killing Caesor, as long as he has Caesor hes a bargaining chip
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It would be even cooler if law was sorta planning to doublecross luffy, or if it was way more convoluted than we know. what if his plan is to force Doflamingo into his alliance. forcing him to leave his comfortable position as a warlord and a king would make him desperate for new schemes and allies i guess, so that might have been the real reason behind those demands.
Im not sure if i believe the "if he leaves his warlord post all the admirals will come for him" story when you consider that jinbe resigned, helped free half of impel down, fought the marines during the war and saved Luffy, (the son of the most wanted man in the world)s life yet the admirals dont seem to be on the hunt for him.
Think fishman island would be like the first place to look. The admirals job seem to be more about administration and leadership and less fighting, unless they get a call from a celestial dragon.
Maybe law actually sought to recruit or force DD into his alliance against kaido? If what law said is true, DD will probably team up with anyone to help in a fight against kaido and if they beat him its a huge step-up for everyone involved with lots of spoils to share.
killing CC back in PH would have stopped smile production back then. If law speaks the truth then kaido would have killed DD straight after that too, so why bother with dressrosa at all? CC is the KEY to smiles, take him out and they can ignore DDs factory because its useless without SAD.
I mean law betrayed DD who was his mentor and most likely trained and guided the guy. He cant really be considered a trustworthy guy.
I dont know, maybe he realized back in SA that luffy has lots of balls but little brains? (Punching a celestial dragon...) then he arrived at marineford (and possibly watched the events from his submarine) just to arrive at the surface at just the right moment to save Luffy when he had no real reason to do so based on on their previous relationship. Im getting the feeling that Law wanted to get on good terms with luffy so he could get on luffys good side and use this to his his advantage.
Think about it for a second. Law is a cool guy but hes no Saint. He betrayed the guy who took him in as his adoptive little brother, just like kidd he showed no concerns for the victims at the human auction house, In fact he looked very relaxed as if he enjoyed the show. The guy even sent the hearts of 100 wanted Pirates to the WG to get his warlord status wich in itself gives him the highest confirmed kill count in OP.
Now he is treating the SH crew like his pawns, Taking advantage of luffys stupidity and willingness to take on anyone.
Not saying he is gonna kill luffy and his crew or anything but the guy is clearly very opportunistic and his plan doesnt really add up. There is something he hasnt told the SHs. and his morals arent on the same page as Luffy.
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I agree that Law was portrayed this way, right up until the point when he screamed that Luffy is his ally at an admiral. That was meant to tell us Law had a change of heart, I am sure.
Law from before Punk Hazard wouldn't have hesitated to just call Luffy his subordinate and call it a day.
Small correction though, Law probably sent hearts of living pirates to the marine hq. He has been extracting hearts of living people all the time.
And making the thread unreadable wasn't aimed at a single person. The last 5 pages or so are almost exclusively an argument about whether Law will be killed on the spot just to have a "wake up call" for Luffy or not.
Which is a stupid argument if you consider we're talking about One Piece and unlike Ace, it wouldn't even make for good drama.
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On September 22 2013 18:16 Mataza wrote:
I agree that Law was portrayed this way, right up until the point when he screamed that Luffy is his ally at an admiral. That was meant to tell us Law had a change of heart, I am sure.
Law from before Punk Hazard wouldn't have hesitated to just call Luffy his subordinate and call it a day.
Small correction though, Law probably sent hearts of living pirates to the marine hq. He has been extracting hearts of living people all the time.
And making the thread unreadable wasn't aimed at a single person. The last 5 pages or so are almost exclusively an argument about whether Law will be killed on the spot just to have a "wake up call" for Luffy or not.
Which is a stupid argument if you consider we're talking about One Piece and unlike Ace, it wouldn't even make for good drama.
the question is, do these pirates still live once akainu gets his hands on their hearts, or do they recieve the magma fist heart surgery treatment?
anyways, law has been portrayed as a smart, calculating character. even though he got caught of guard and the presence of the admiral certainly makes everything more complicated for him, im sure he has a proposal for DD that would benefit both or something, otherwise as stated before there was no real need to go to dressrosa if they just killed ceasar after PH, eliminating smiles forever.
The CC exchange seemed more like a way for law to get into a 1on1 conversation with Doflamingo, he is not overconfident as luffy and he knows DDs power so i doubt he would take such long trip just to risk getting killed/tortured by this sadistic pink boa guy when it was not a crucial part of their ultimate goal to take down kaido.
I think he was saving up his energy during the bridge to use his "sphere" defensivley long enough to make a proposal to DD. Maybe, in his original plan, he was even going to tolerate Doflamingo re-applying for his schibukai post, getting CC and taking back dressrosa if he joined him against Kaido?
The Plan does kinda make sense. DDs business with Kaido seems unstable at best, and he would probably prefer to sell to someone who 1, doesnt know that he is joker, and 2, has a more stable temper (like maybe shanks? luffy could probably set up a meeting). Maybe this is all a big missunderstanding and Law still has some respect for DD and considers himself indebted for everything doflamingo did for him when he was a total rookie, And he thought taking out kaido togheter would be a good way to bury the hatchet? The den-den mushi threats and demands was maybe just a way for him to show that he is no longer just DDs subordinate, allowing him to come in with a mental advantage?
pure wild speculation i know but it would be soo damn cool to see luffy law and DD take on a yonko togheter. DD has shown before that he is willing to respect rookies with power and ambition so he has no reason to have a hostile attitude thowards luffy to be honest. he even said it would be cool if law and luffy escaped during marineford.
plus, he is just wierd and flamboyant enough to fit right in with the SHs and the pirate alliance. He would probably find luffy hilarious tbh (altough he seems to find just about anything hilarious, including torturing vice admirals, slicing up marines by the numbers, incoming tsunamis, chaos and mass panic)
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Generally speaking Luffy has to beat the shit out of someone 50% of the time before they consider working with him.
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winning the tournament might be enought to earn DDs respect?
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On September 22 2013 23:28 sc2holar wrote:
winning the tournament might be enought to earn DDs respect?
does it matter? hes not going to do something because of respect butbecause it benefits him
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On September 23 2013 01:29 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:28 sc2holar wrote:
winning the tournament might be enought to earn DDs respect? does it matter? hes not going to do something because of respect butbecause it benefits him
Yeah, and teaming up with law and luffy against kaido would benefit him. do you just read the last few posts and miss the entire context of a discusssion?
Doflamingo has also a sweet spot for young promising rookies and if they are ambitious enough he takes them under his wing. Like Law, who is where he is today because DD took him in and mentored the kid and even considered him as far as a younger brother.
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Yeah, and teaming up with law and luffy against kaido would benefit him. do you just read the last few posts and miss the entire context of a discusssion?
but wether he teams up with law and luffy is not at all dependant on how much he respects Luffy
Doflamingo has also a sweet spot for young promising rookies and if they are ambitious enough he takes them under his wing. Like Law, who is where he is today because DD took him in and mentored the kid and even considered him as far as a younger brother.
is there actually in comic evidence for this? hear alot of people saying this but dont remember it being so clearly stated
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Yes there is. Vegos mushi call to Joker in PH is a good example. DD still thought Of law as an ally and kept a seat for him in the court of dressrosa until Law went after the Sad factory. And being betrayed by Law seemed to strike an emotional chord with Joker. Id recommend you read the onepiece wikis DD article
It contains all the information you need and chapter references to each claim.
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On September 23 2013 16:47 sc2holar wrote:
Yes there is. Vegos mushi call to Joker in PH is a good example. DD still thought Of law as an ally and kept a seat for him in the court of dressrosa until Law went after the Sad factory. And being betrayed by Law seemed to strike an emotional chord with Joker. Id recommend you read the onepiece wikis DD article
It contains all the information you need and chapter references to each claim.
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until he went after the SAD he hadnt betrayed Joker so of course he still though of him in a good light until then...
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On September 22 2013 16:05 sc2holar wrote:
It would be even cooler if law was sorta planning to doublecross luffy, or if it was way more convoluted than we know. what if his plan is to force Doflamingo into his alliance. forcing him to leave his comfortable position as a warlord and a king would make him desperate for new schemes and allies i guess, so that might have been the real reason behind those demands.
Im not sure if i believe the "if he leaves his warlord post all the admirals will come for him" story when you consider that jinbe resigned, helped free half of impel down, fought the marines during the war and saved Luffy, (the son of the most wanted man in the world)s life yet the admirals dont seem to be on the hunt for him.
Think fishman island would be like the first place to look. The admirals job seem to be more about administration and leadership and less fighting, unless they get a call from a celestial dragon.
Maybe law actually sought to recruit or force DD into his alliance against kaido? If what law said is true, DD will probably team up with anyone to help in a fight against kaido and if they beat him its a huge step-up for everyone involved with lots of spoils to share.
killing CC back in PH would have stopped smile production back then. If law speaks the truth then kaido would have killed DD straight after that too, so why bother with dressrosa at all? CC is the KEY to smiles, take him out and they can ignore DDs factory because its useless without SAD.
I mean law betrayed DD who was his mentor and most likely trained and guided the guy. He cant really be considered a trustworthy guy.
I dont know, maybe he realized back in SA that luffy has lots of balls but little brains? (Punching a celestial dragon...) then he arrived at marineford (and possibly watched the events from his submarine) just to arrive at the surface at just the right moment to save Luffy when he had no real reason to do so based on on their previous relationship. Im getting the feeling that Law wanted to get on good terms with luffy so he could get on luffys good side and use this to his his advantage.
Think about it for a second. Law is a cool guy but hes no Saint. He betrayed the guy who took him in as his adoptive little brother, just like kidd he showed no concerns for the victims at the human auction house, In fact he looked very relaxed as if he enjoyed the show. The guy even sent the hearts of 100 wanted Pirates to the WG to get his warlord status wich in itself gives him the highest confirmed kill count in OP.
Now he is treating the SH crew like his pawns, Taking advantage of luffys stupidity and willingness to take on anyone.
Not saying he is gonna kill luffy and his crew or anything but the guy is clearly very opportunistic and his plan doesnt really add up. There is something he hasnt told the SHs. and his morals arent on the same page as Luffy.
Your theory is pretty cool and I'm not disagreeing.
But about the whole Jimbe thing, it's definitely not the same scenario. Imagine the logistics of attacking a place like Fishmen island. 100,000 feet underneath the ocean where only about a third of the ships survive. That, and the whole double bubble shield that pretty much makes there to be only one entry point. To top it off, there is already an uneasy political situation with the fishmen and a frontal attack will create a great deal of unrest between the races. They could try and demand that Fishmen island hand over Jimbe but that'd be pretty impossible because he's basically a folk hero there. There's just simply no way to flush Jimbe out of there unless you go with an undercover group like CP9. And since Jimbe doesn't really pose much of a threat, it is totally not worth it for the government or marines to go after him.
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On September 24 2013 00:24 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 16:47 sc2holar wrote:
Yes there is. Vegos mushi call to Joker in PH is a good example. DD still thought Of law as an ally and kept a seat for him in the court of dressrosa until Law went after the Sad factory. And being betrayed by Law seemed to strike an emotional chord with Joker. Id recommend you read the onepiece wikis DD article
It contains all the information you need and chapter references to each claim.
I until he went after the SAD he hadnt betrayed Joker so of course he still though of him in a good light until then...
Thats not what you asked about. you asked for evidence showing that DD liked Law in the first place. And now you attempt to correct me on that very subject. talk about self contradiction.
Dude what the fuck is up with you? I JUST SAID THAT DD HAD A POSITIVE ATTITUDE THOWARDS LAW UNTIL HE WENT AFTER THE SAD FACTORY, AND THAT WHEN VERGO REVEALED THIS (WICH CONFIRMED HIS BETRAYAL) IT MADE DD SAD. DID YOU READ MY POST BEFORE ATTEMPTING TO BE A SMARTASS AND CORRECT ME BY REPEATING EVERYTHING I JUST SAID EXCEPT MORE CONDENSED?
If you knew that DD thought about Law in good light until the SAD accident, why did you ask for proof that DD liked law in the first place? do you still remember asking about that? Can you explain why you did it when you just now tried to correct me by pointing out exactly when DDs friendly feelings for law ended, by repeating what i just said.
The lack of logic behind your posts makes my brain hurt. You bring up stupid questions and then try to put down others when they explain it to you by repeating what they just said in a shorter sentance. is there a way to get people warned for this type of irrational behaviour?
My failure to understand the thought process behind your smug attitude yet total nonsensical posts makes my brain collapse
User was warned for this post
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