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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
i said that theres no way Law would get killed without his plan even being revealed, Shark said his plan had been revealed, when i asked what it is everyone dodges the question Oda is not going to spend all of Punkhazard and Dessrossa working on a mysterious plan and spending so much time on it then going "lol Law is dead youll never learn about the plan" | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
and he never mentioned a specific plan for fighting kaido. I was sorta assuming classic shonen battles until one side falls over. Its about time we had a good fight in the new world. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
So let me recap a few things and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong somewhere cause I don't remember every detail of the arc. 1. Law captures Caesar after Punk Hazard and tells DD that he knows he can't produce SAD without him. 2. Forces him to resign the shichibukai title and arranges release of Caesar on Green Bit in exchange for that. 3. It's just a decoy to allow the Strawhats to find and destroy the factory which completely stops the Smile production. 4. He understimated DD's connections to the very top of the WG and got tricked but the plan is still in motion( it is right?) since the SH are lingering around the island still. 5. All of this including the alliance with luffy was to take down one of the yonkou, Kaidou. I don't think Forik's theory is too farfetched in this case since all Law has accomplished with his plan is that Kaidou would attack the DoFlamingo Family so a possible alliance with them to fight him together doesn't sound unlikely. We indeed don't know yet what his plan is to defeat Kaidou. 2 points from me: - Marine Admiral going after DD at the meeting point was crucial because Law knows he is still weaker than DD and couldn't fight him, now that the tides have turned and he's up vs an admiral + DD his situation does indeed seem very critical. - But I'm also pretty sure Law has a backup plan and won't die here. He will somehow get away from Fujitoria, no way he goes down already. | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On September 21 2013 07:13 AsnSensation wrote: Why you guys so mad, chill out yo! So let me recap a few things and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong somewhere cause I don't remember every detail of the arc. 1. Law captures Caesar after Punk Hazard and tells DD that he knows he can't produce SAD without him. 2. Forces him to resign the shichibukai title and arranges release of Caesar on Green Bit in exchange for that. 3. It's just a decoy to allow the Strawhats to find and destroy the factory which completely stops the Smile production. 4. He understimated DD's connections to the very top of the WG and got tricked but the plan is still in motion( it is right?) since the SH are lingering around the island still. 5. All of this including the alliance with luffy was to take down one of the yonkou, Kaidou. I don't think Forik's theory is too farfetched in this case since all Law has accomplished with his plan is that Kaidou would attack the DoFlamingo Family so a possible alliance with them to fight him together doesn't sound unlikely. We indeed don't know yet what his plan is to defeat Kaidou. 2 points from me: - Marine Admiral going after DD at the meeting point was crucial because Law knows he is still weaker than DD and couldn't fight him, now that the tides have turned and he's up vs an admiral + DD his situation does indeed seem very critical. - But I'm also pretty sure Law has a backup plan and won't die here. He will somehow get away from Fujitoria, no way he goes down already. Youre forgetting that doflamingo prepared for luffy too. he baited him into the colosseum using the mera mera no mi fruit and has the building sealed by CP0 and top marines and his most trusted and high ranking subordinates. Imagine just taking on the CP0 alone... Basicly, both law and luffy fell in traps. thats why DD called their little alliance "over" last time we saw him. Already back in PH DF seemed to be more intimidated by Luffy and the Strawhats than Law and his crew. The Strawhats one advantage right now is Sanji, who has found a "rat" in the donquixote family (violet) that might be able to save the day. | ||
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DODswe4
Sweden2157 Posts
On September 21 2013 07:21 sc2holar wrote: Youre forgetting that doflamingo prepared for luffy too. he baited him into the colosseum using the mera mera no mi fruit and has the building sealed by CP0 and top marines and his most trusted and high ranking subordinates. Imagine just taking on the CP0 alone... Basicly, both law and luffy fell in traps. thats why DD called their little alliance "over" last time we saw him. Already back in PH DF seemed to be more intimidated by Luffy and the Strawhats than Law and his crew. The Strawhats one advantage right now is Sanji, who has found a "rat" in the donquixote family (violet) that might be able to save the day. everyone have always underestimted luffy, he wasnt supposed to be able to take down Crocodile wasn't supposed to be able to take down Lucci, wasn't supposed to be able to take down Arlong. yet he always does. I wont be suprised if either DD gets betten or hes factory destroyed | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On September 21 2013 07:13 AsnSensation wrote: Why you guys so mad, chill out yo! So let me recap a few things and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong somewhere cause I don't remember every detail of the arc. 1. Law captures Caesar after Punk Hazard and tells DD that he knows he can't produce SAD without him. 2. Forces him to resign the shichibukai title and arranges release of Caesar on Green Bit in exchange for that. 3. It's just a decoy to allow the Strawhats to find and destroy the factory which completely stops the Smile production. 4. He understimated DD's connections to the very top of the WG and got tricked but the plan is still in motion( it is right?) since the SH are lingering around the island still. 5. All of this including the alliance with luffy was to take down one of the yonkou, Kaidou. I don't think Forik's theory is too farfetched in this case since all Law has accomplished with his plan is that Kaidou would attack the DoFlamingo Family so a possible alliance with them to fight him together doesn't sound unlikely. We indeed don't know yet what his plan is to defeat Kaidou. 2 points from me: - Marine Admiral going after DD at the meeting point was crucial because Law knows he is still weaker than DD and couldn't fight him, now that the tides have turned and he's up vs an admiral + DD his situation does indeed seem very critical. - But I'm also pretty sure Law has a backup plan and won't die here. He will somehow get away from Fujitoria, no way he goes down already. You kind of contradict yourself here. If Law does indeed want to join forces with DD to destroy Kaidou, then it would be counterproductive for the two of them to fight. It may not be he can't defeat DD, but rather he doesn't want to as it would hurt his over-arching goal of defeating Kaidou. Pretty sure Law's backup plan was either "The people on the ship come and get us", or "We destroy the factory before he can attack", neither of which will be coming true anything soon. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On September 21 2013 07:21 sc2holar wrote: Youre forgetting that doflamingo prepared for luffy too. he baited him into the colosseum using the mera mera no mi fruit and has the building sealed by CP0 and top marines and his most trusted and high ranking subordinates. Imagine just taking on the CP0 alone... Basicly, both law and luffy fell in traps. thats why DD called their little alliance "over" last time we saw him. Already back in PH DF seemed to be more intimidated by Luffy and the Strawhats than Law and his crew. The Strawhats one advantage right now is Sanji, who has found a "rat" in the donquixote family (violet) that might be able to save the day. but the factory is in the collosueam, it doesnt matter how many ttroops are outside the colloseum | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On September 21 2013 07:43 DODswe4 wrote: everyone have always underestimted luffy, he wasnt supposed to be able to take down Crocodile wasn't supposed to be able to take down Lucci, wasn't supposed to be able to take down Arlong. yet he always does. I wont be suprised if either DD gets betten or hes factory destroyed except, DD is very actually aware of luffys potential (back in PH he told vergo something like "Law is just a little brat but be careful with that that strawhat kid, he has conquerors haki". I think he could envision luffy as a part of the new era (where only the strong survive) and offer him a way to take his crew and leave dressrosa on peaceful terms, with the kind of "well i have no real reason or will to fight you" attitude that he displayed thowards kuzan despite being seemingly unnaffected by his freezing powers. DD seems like a guy who picks his battles. i would kinda like if it played out this way, DD trying to split up law and luffys alliance by offering luffy the mera mera fruit, safe travel to his meating with big mum and of course a large chunk of meat. Psychological warfare seems to be his thing and this is a good chance for him to try to turn the impulsive head-in-the-clouds luffy against the cool headed calculating law. it fits with his puppet master image. | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On September 21 2013 08:01 Forikorder wrote: but the factory is in the collosueam, it doesnt matter how many ttroops are outside the colloseum Luffy doesnt know this and people cant get in or out to inform him because the entrance is sealed off by the CP0, Why should i have to point these things out? | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On September 21 2013 08:11 sc2holar wrote: Luffy doesnt know this and people cant get in or out to inform him because the entrance is sealed off by the CP0, Why should i have to point these things out? you really think some mooks are going to be able to prevent the SH's from entering the colloseum? they couldnt stop the toy thing when he was alone and you think Zoro, Sanji, Kinemon and franky cant manage to get inside? | ||
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RenSC2
United States1102 Posts
There is something to his plan that we don't know yet. One thing we do know is that he wants Nami and the ship crew to bring the Thousand Sunny around to help him. My guess: We haven't seen him use his room ability on himself, but he could probably fly over the ocean for small distance using it. He could then use his room ability to cut off any chase by Doflamingo and the Admiral. So really, it seems like he's just keeping Doflamingo and the Admiral occupied to buy time for the rest of the plan to go through. Then he'll exit quickly, the factory will be destroyed, and the other Strawhats will get to the meeting spot. I'm guessing that's his current plan. Except, nothing ever goes as planned with the Strawhats. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
So much discussion and there isn't even a next chapter out. | ||
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i am plus
United States190 Posts
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Splasmaspace
Uruguay8 Posts
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On September 21 2013 17:24 i am plus wrote: law still has ceasars heart so if DF goes for a killing blow he will kill ceasar and then kaido will go after him gheeze will you stupid people stop assuming that kaido will go kill DF he he runs out of smile for a short while. there is 0 evidence in the chapters of this happening and one of the main antagonists in the series since chapter 150 isnt just gonna get killed off by some other villain | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
All I know is that whenever someone is very sure something happens(like "Law will die in exactly this fight") they have usually been wrong. Also someone dying for going with his ballsy plan has only once lead to a death in One Piece. And that was Sabo in a flashback(and he might have survived). The message of OP can be said as "follow your dreams, worry about consequences later". Someone dying for exactly that sounds a bit grim, eh? | ||
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Dattish
Sweden6297 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On September 21 2013 16:28 Incognoto wrote: Great thing about Oda is that you can sketch up so many viable theories and they'll all be fucking wrong. So much discussion and there isn't even a next chapter out. Yeah pretty much the bolded. Doesn't hurt to speculate but it's always nice to see just how wrong everyone is because Oda is a fucking genius. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On September 21 2013 20:49 sc2holar wrote: gheeze will you stupid people stop assuming that kaido will go kill DF he he runs out of smile for a short while. there is 0 evidence in the chapters of this happening and one of the main antagonists in the series since chapter 150 isnt just gonna get killed off by some other villain if CC dies theres no more Sads and so no more Smiles | ||
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