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On September 20 2013 18:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:
No because Impel Down didn't set Ace's story up for anything beyond the Marineford arc. As for Law? There's a huge arc set up with him and Luffy fighting Kaido, Law's crewmembers are mentioned to be waiting for them on an island, etc.
There was no building towards Ace's future in Impel Down and during the Marineford arc, no clues and hints as to what he might do after being rescued whereas there is now. Storytelling 101
exactly, and thats why these so called death flags are stupid. There is always always another side of the story. Jinbei is too big of a character to just Die off in a side story, and killing him when luffy is there will cause luffy to go into another mental breakdown about how jinbei saved his life and sanity after marineford. It would cause flashbacks to Aces death and luffy would go insane thinking he is too weak to save anyone and how he failed to repay his life debt to jinbei.
Not to mention fishmen play a pretty big role in the story and Jinbei pretty much acts as their ambassador and champion. His death would lead to major chaos chaos between humans and fishmen and ruin any hope of peace.
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On September 20 2013 18:44 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 11:35 sc2holar wrote:
To go back on topic: if BB could absorb several devil fruits before the yami yami no mi, then why didnt he? why was it that he is only using additional devil fruits after he got the YYNM, if it has nothing to do with it. i mean he was a veteran from the WB pirates with exceptional strenght even before he got the fruit, he must have had acces to plenty of DFs before. We know he wanted the Yami fruit specifically, and we know he want the Gura fruit specifically (it was his entire reason for showing up at the war if I'm not mistaken). It stands to reason that the two fruits are connected (although that's unlikely), or that Blackbeard can only eat a limited number of additional fruits (hence why he was so picky about which he choose). HOW he can accomplish this may or may not have anything to do with the Yami fruit itself. He may have only wanted it first because he knew he couldn't get the Gura fruit without it, or because he knew it wasn't already claimed. I'm leaning more towards he can only eat a limited number, and that he just wants to eat which he feels are the strongest fruits because of it.
meh, if you ask me, blackbeard just had an apple in his pocket, he went under the tarp with whitebeard with his apple and waited for the devil power to go into that apple (or any fruit). that's how it works iirc, when smiley died the devil power it had just went into a nearby fruit
that's how he "absorbed" the power. so much shit in one piece seems absolutely weird/astonishing then turns out to just have bullshit explanations. like absalom who could blast people away with his "power" when all it was was just 2 invisible guns.
what i find much more interesting is how his body can accommodate 2 devil powers.
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Olli
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Well, doesn't mean that death flags don't exist, they just don't always mean that a character certainly dies. It just means there's a high probability of it happening. Whitebeard had a gigantic one on him for example and he did die.
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On September 20 2013 18:50 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 18:44 killa_robot wrote:On September 20 2013 11:35 sc2holar wrote:
To go back on topic: if BB could absorb several devil fruits before the yami yami no mi, then why didnt he? why was it that he is only using additional devil fruits after he got the YYNM, if it has nothing to do with it. i mean he was a veteran from the WB pirates with exceptional strenght even before he got the fruit, he must have had acces to plenty of DFs before. We know he wanted the Yami fruit specifically, and we know he want the Gura fruit specifically (it was his entire reason for showing up at the war if I'm not mistaken). It stands to reason that the two fruits are connected (although that's unlikely), or that Blackbeard can only eat a limited number of additional fruits (hence why he was so picky about which he choose). HOW he can accomplish this may or may not have anything to do with the Yami fruit itself. He may have only wanted it first because he knew he couldn't get the Gura fruit without it, or because he knew it wasn't already claimed. I'm leaning more towards he can only eat a limited number, and that he just wants to eat which he feels are the strongest fruits because of it. meh, if you ask me, blackbeard just had an apple in his pocket, he went under the tarp with whitebeard with his apple and waited for the devil power to go into that apple (or any fruit). that's how it works iirc, when smiley died the devil power it had just went into a nearby fruit that's how he "absorbed" the power. so much shit in one piece seems absolutely weird/astonishing then turns out to just have bullshit explanations. like absalom who could blast people away with his "power" when all it was was just 2 invisible guns. what i find much more interesting is how his body can accommodate 2 devil powers.
His body holding more than 1 devil fruit is what I was referring to when I said the how. How as in how can he do it when others can't.
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On September 20 2013 18:50 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 18:44 killa_robot wrote:On September 20 2013 11:35 sc2holar wrote:
To go back on topic: if BB could absorb several devil fruits before the yami yami no mi, then why didnt he? why was it that he is only using additional devil fruits after he got the YYNM, if it has nothing to do with it. i mean he was a veteran from the WB pirates with exceptional strenght even before he got the fruit, he must have had acces to plenty of DFs before. We know he wanted the Yami fruit specifically, and we know he want the Gura fruit specifically (it was his entire reason for showing up at the war if I'm not mistaken). It stands to reason that the two fruits are connected (although that's unlikely), or that Blackbeard can only eat a limited number of additional fruits (hence why he was so picky about which he choose). HOW he can accomplish this may or may not have anything to do with the Yami fruit itself. He may have only wanted it first because he knew he couldn't get the Gura fruit without it, or because he knew it wasn't already claimed. I'm leaning more towards he can only eat a limited number, and that he just wants to eat which he feels are the strongest fruits because of it. meh, if you ask me, blackbeard just had an apple in his pocket, he went under the tarp with whitebeard with his apple and waited for the devil power to go into that apple (or any fruit). that's how it works iirc, when smiley died the devil power it had just went into a nearby fruit
I dont think DFs can travel to fruits once you have picked them from the tree. then it would be too easy to harvest DFs. Sounds less likely than the yami yami no me theory. Altough he could potentially have brought a fruit and created a black hole and sucked in nothing but Whitebeards dying body and the fruit, giving the goru goru absolutley no other option than to go into the fruit he brought.
The most simple theory IMO however is that he absorbed Whitebeards heart, since DFs work through the bloodstream. carrying another heart inside of him is a simple explanation to as to why he has two DFs and lives. He has two heards (but the second might exist inside his "darkness") hence he is not destroyed by the two devil fruits fighting over his own heart wich is what happens when normal people eat two.
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On September 20 2013 18:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Well, doesn't mean that death flags don't exist, they just don't always mean that a character certainly dies. It just means there's a high probability of it happening. Whitebeard had a gigantic one on him for example and he did die.
Well Whitebeard did have a gigantic death flag because he was probably going to die from age fairly soon anyways. So going to war naturally people expected him to die like a pirate instead. I will agree on that one. but i dont really see a death flag on jinbei until perhaps around the very end of the series.
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Olli
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Yeah me neither.
A thought I had recently is that Luffy might die at the end of the series or it being implied at least. It's been stated a lot that he's overusing abilities like Gear 2nd that shorten his lifespan and damage his body. Plus Roger was terminally ill as well and there seem to be more and more parellels between Luffy and Roger. Oda isn't the kind of storyteller that would ignore these consequences after explicitly stating them.
I could see the series ending with Luffy meeting the same end, dying while inspiring a new generation with his last words or actions after turning himself in, basically choosing even the way he dies. That would fit the overall freedom and new generation replacing the old one themes very well in my opinion. Doesn't mean that I think it's gonna end that way but I could see that.
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On September 20 2013 19:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Yeah me neither.
A thought I had recently is that Luffy might die at the end of the series or it being implied at least. It's been stated a lot that he's overusing abilities like Gear 2nd that shorten his lifespan and damage his body. Plus Roger was terminally ill as well and there seem to be more and more parellels between Luffy and Roger. Oda isn't the kind of storyteller that would ignore these consequences after explicitly stating them.
I could see the series ending with Luffy meeting the same end, dying while inspiring a new generation with his last words or actions after turning himself in, basically choosing even the way he dies. That would fit the overall freedom and new generation replacing the old one themes very well in my opinion. Doesn't mean that I think it's gonna end that way but I could see that.
I picture the ending this way many times. Basicly ending on the same note that it started.
At the same time i picture the final battle to be between the strawhats+allies+revolutionaries VS WG, after luffy finds one piece. i dont really see him getting excecuted by the world government, i expect dragons revolution to change the entire world by the end of the series and bring a more peaceful, fair world regime and the end of the tenriyuobus opressive rule.
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Theese conversations are hilarious . You are taking this way too seriously :D
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On September 20 2013 22:17 SkelA wrote:
Theese conversations are hilarious . You are taking this way too seriously :D
i have followed One Piece since it first came out in english in i THINK august 2003. Wich means i have been reading One Piece every month during literary about half of my life. This is more than just "one of those shonen mangas" to me.
The day i put down the last issue of this series i will probably have kids on my own, maybe even kids who are going to elementary school and reading mangas themselves. Imagine sharing the experience of the last chapters with your future son? a series that you have followed since you were around the age he is then. Oda is dedicating a huge chunk of his time on this earth to creating this. of course it means alot to the creator and some of us readers.
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On September 20 2013 18:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:
No because Impel Down didn't set Ace's story up for anything beyond the Marineford arc. As for Law? There's a huge arc set up with him and Luffy fighting Kaido, Law's crewmembers are mentioned to be waiting for them on an island, etc.
There was no building towards Ace's future in Impel Down and during the Marineford arc, no clues and hints as to what he might do after being rescued whereas there is now. Storytelling 101
I am still fairly convinced Law will be killed to 'set an example' of New World volatility.
I had figured this arc but yes, it wouldn't make sense to kill him yet if he has yet to meet his crew. I guess we'll have to see how the Kaido attack progresses because I could very well see him being obliterated by kaido so Luffy takes down his first Yonkou by avenging him or 'carrying on the mission' or whatever.
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On September 21 2013 00:55 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 18:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:
No because Impel Down didn't set Ace's story up for anything beyond the Marineford arc. As for Law? There's a huge arc set up with him and Luffy fighting Kaido, Law's crewmembers are mentioned to be waiting for them on an island, etc.
There was no building towards Ace's future in Impel Down and during the Marineford arc, no clues and hints as to what he might do after being rescued whereas there is now. Storytelling 101 I am still fairly convinced Law will be killed to 'set an example' of New World volatility. I had figured this arc but yes, it wouldn't make sense to kill him yet if he has yet to meet his crew. I guess we'll have to see how the Kaido attack progresses because I could very well see him being obliterated by kaido so Luffy takes down his first Yonkou by avenging him or 'carrying on the mission' or whatever.
I agree with this.
If we are talking about "Death Flags" I would say Law has a Gigantor of one. He thought he could outplay the most influential mastermind in the New World without even involving his own crew and its backfired hugely without even getting to the Final boss. I think this arc (as someone has already said) is going to be the wake up call of the New World for the strawhats especially if someone with history with luffy and the crew (+ being = luffy in power) dies.
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On September 20 2013 18:44 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 11:35 sc2holar wrote:
To go back on topic: if BB could absorb several devil fruits before the yami yami no mi, then why didnt he? why was it that he is only using additional devil fruits after he got the YYNM, if it has nothing to do with it. i mean he was a veteran from the WB pirates with exceptional strenght even before he got the fruit, he must have had acces to plenty of DFs before. We know he wanted the Yami fruit specifically, and we know he want the Gura fruit specifically (it was his entire reason for showing up at the war if I'm not mistaken). It stands to reason that the two fruits are connected (although that's unlikely), or that Blackbeard can only eat a limited number of additional fruits (hence why he was so picky about which he choose). HOW he can accomplish this may or may not have anything to do with the Yami fruit itself. He may have only wanted it first because he knew he couldn't get the Gura fruit without it, or because he knew it wasn't already claimed. I'm leaning more towards he can only eat a limited number, and that he just wants to eat which he feels are the strongest fruits because of it.
he didnt know for sure it would work, so it was probably "if im going to gamble on this working im gonna start with the big prize"
I agree with this.
If we are talking about "Death Flags" I would say Law has a Gigantor of one. He thought he could outplay the most influential mastermind in the New World without even involving his own crew and its backfired hugely without even getting to the Final boss. I think this arc (as someone has already said) is going to be the wake up call of the New World for the strawhats especially if someone with history with luffy and the crew (+ being = luffy in power) dies.
no way Law dies, he hasnt even explained how the plan works if Law dies the plan ends there why waste all this time on some plan then have it fall apart?
unless Law planned for the possibilty of him dieing the plan dies with him and hes not so self sacrificing to do something like that
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On September 21 2013 02:56 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 18:44 killa_robot wrote:On September 20 2013 11:35 sc2holar wrote:
To go back on topic: if BB could absorb several devil fruits before the yami yami no mi, then why didnt he? why was it that he is only using additional devil fruits after he got the YYNM, if it has nothing to do with it. i mean he was a veteran from the WB pirates with exceptional strenght even before he got the fruit, he must have had acces to plenty of DFs before. We know he wanted the Yami fruit specifically, and we know he want the Gura fruit specifically (it was his entire reason for showing up at the war if I'm not mistaken). It stands to reason that the two fruits are connected (although that's unlikely), or that Blackbeard can only eat a limited number of additional fruits (hence why he was so picky about which he choose). HOW he can accomplish this may or may not have anything to do with the Yami fruit itself. He may have only wanted it first because he knew he couldn't get the Gura fruit without it, or because he knew it wasn't already claimed. I'm leaning more towards he can only eat a limited number, and that he just wants to eat which he feels are the strongest fruits because of it. he didnt know for sure it would work, so it was probably "if im going to gamble on this working im gonna start with the big prize" Show nested quote +
I agree with this.
If we are talking about "Death Flags" I would say Law has a Gigantor of one. He thought he could outplay the most influential mastermind in the New World without even involving his own crew and its backfired hugely without even getting to the Final boss. I think this arc (as someone has already said) is going to be the wake up call of the New World for the strawhats especially if someone with history with luffy and the crew (+ being = luffy in power) dies.
no way Law dies, he hasnt even explained how the plan works if Law dies the plan ends there why waste all this time on some plan then have it fall apart? unless Law planned for the possibilty of him dieing the plan dies with him and hes not so self sacrificing to do something like that
As I said it probably doesn't make any sense anymore to have him die this arc (especially since he barely survived Punk Hazard as well, which I forgot at the time). The plan will obviously be exposed in its entirety either after/at the end of this arc or following the confrontation/reveal of Dofla's history/plan/DF/business.
The plan will still go through (despite it having backfired thus far) or what remains of it anyway. The attack on Kaido will likely be the end of him (Law) at this point, assuming that Kaido is where they will ultimately head first (barring next-arc interactions/interference from other big names, ie Kidd Alliance/Big Mom/BB crew).
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What part did law not explain? Make DD rewoke his warlord+king status so the WG sends their admirals after him. Find Factory, destroy it, while law makes the Exchange. It backfired completley. Law had his warlord status revoked because he was plain dumb and refused to call the strawhats his subordinates. Now luffy is trapped in the colosseum with the CP0 and marines sealing off the building and the Donquixote family overlooking the events, and law is getting shredded to pieces by DD while the Admiral looks on (though he is technically blind)
That is one mistake too many to survive in the new world imo. Especially when you are dealing with the guy Kuzan called the biggest threat since WBs death.
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On September 21 2013 04:21 sc2holar wrote:
What part did law not explain? Make DD rewoke his warlord+king status so the WG sends their admirals after him. Find Factory, destroy it, while law makes the Exchange. It backfired completley. Law had his warlord status revoked because he was plain dumb and refused to call the strawhats his subordinates. Now luffy is trapped in the colosseum with the CP0 and marines sealing off the building and the Donquixote family overlooking the events, and law is getting shredded to pieces by DD while the Admiral looks on (though he is technically blind)
That is one mistake too many to survive in the new world imo. Especially when you are dealing with the guy Kuzan called the biggest threat since WBs death.
how about the part where all that related at all to taking down Kaidou?
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On September 21 2013 04:26 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 04:21 sc2holar wrote:
What part did law not explain? Make DD rewoke his warlord+king status so the WG sends their admirals after him. Find Factory, destroy it, while law makes the Exchange. It backfired completley. Law had his warlord status revoked because he was plain dumb and refused to call the strawhats his subordinates. Now luffy is trapped in the colosseum with the CP0 and marines sealing off the building and the Donquixote family overlooking the events, and law is getting shredded to pieces by DD while the Admiral looks on (though he is technically blind)
That is one mistake too many to survive in the new world imo. Especially when you are dealing with the guy Kuzan called the biggest threat since WBs death.
how about the part where all that related at all to taking down Kaidou?
I don't really understand what you just wrote but this is the New World. New World is meant to make the rest of the Grand Line look like a toddlers playground. For Law to fuck up this much and not even be at Kadiou should surely mean death. The Strawhats will probable escape with the mera (or not, its really up for grabs though i think luffy will fail here aswell) but I can find no logical reason of how they could possible succeed given how Vastly under prepared they are for what Law has dragged them into.
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I would not mind having luffy back as the captain instead of just following law around. After this blunder i would personally stay as far away from any of Laws future plans thats humanly possible unless i wanted to get killed.
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On September 21 2013 04:35 shark. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 04:26 Forikorder wrote:On September 21 2013 04:21 sc2holar wrote:
What part did law not explain? Make DD rewoke his warlord+king status so the WG sends their admirals after him. Find Factory, destroy it, while law makes the Exchange. It backfired completley. Law had his warlord status revoked because he was plain dumb and refused to call the strawhats his subordinates. Now luffy is trapped in the colosseum with the CP0 and marines sealing off the building and the Donquixote family overlooking the events, and law is getting shredded to pieces by DD while the Admiral looks on (though he is technically blind)
That is one mistake too many to survive in the new world imo. Especially when you are dealing with the guy Kuzan called the biggest threat since WBs death.
how about the part where all that related at all to taking down Kaidou? I don't really understand what you just wrote but this is the New World. New World is meant to make the rest of the Grand Line look like a toddlers playground. For Law to fuck up this much and not even be at Kadiou should surely mean death. The Strawhats will probable escape with the mera (or not, its really up for grabs though i think luffy will fail here aswell) but I can find no logical reason of how they could possible succeed given how Vastly under prepared they are for what Law has dragged them into.
your assuming that the plan is so far going off the rails, the plan was to destroy the factory and hand over Caesor (most likely negotiate wsomething with Dofla while doing so) the Straw Hats are currently closing in on the Factory, so as long as Law escapes theres no hitchs in the plan
but if Law dies here then there was no point having punk hazard except to introduce Kinemon
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The purpose or an arc can be to build up suspense, before a major anticlimax. Once again impel down is another example of this narrative technique. SHs may destroy the factory but CC seems to be back in DDs care.
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