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On September 20 2013 09:49 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 08:28 Sickkiee wrote:
Rebecca pls join StrawHat crew and make it Monster Quartet. No way. She's far too weak to be in the monster trio. She's can probably only put up a fight against Ussop, no one else. Besides, she's way too easy to confuse with Nami. Strawhats are fine as they are now, IMO.
When did you see her fight? i mean she seems to have kinda trained all her life to get revenge on doflamingo. I know another kid who started training at a young age, his name is Monkey D. Luffy. Oh, and this guy Zoro. And Ace, you know the guy who was the previous user of the mera mera no mi?
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I bet rebecca is gonna get into some kinda tough situation, but make a stand and shout out how she has to fight for this and will never run from a battle. This will give luffy flashbacks to kid Ace who never ran from a battle, so he will ultimately find her worthy of Aces will and give it to her, but she will reject joining the crew because she has to stay and help build a new dressrosa. This means the strawhats gain another powerful ally, and when the final battle at the end of the manga comes she shows up with dressrosas army to support the strawhats.
by the way has anyone visited the arlongpark forums? i did some lurking to read what people there think not only are the majority pretty stupid but its the worst cesspool of unwarranted self importance i have ever seen. people suck up to the veteran members with ten thousands of posts no matter what shit they come up with and will look for any reason to nitpick new users posts and intentionally miss their point, and if they cant do that they will just ignore them.
I read some case were a new user got flamed for posting an intentionally dumb theory in the "dumb predictions" thread, meant for humorously intentionaly stupid predictions. But since he had a low postcount (wich means stupid in their little world) they asumed that he didnt understand that the predictions were meant to be "fake" and intentionaly as dumb as possible, and again asumed that he was serious. Based on his postcount.
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Good moderation goes a long way. Luckily we have tl.
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TL is awesome. i have a bad experience with forums that are too focused one one particular "obscure" game/comic/movie etc. The Final Fantasy forums from my youth still haunt me. Its like they always turn into "who knows the mos, who can recite everything and reference the page and chaptert" contest and everything is interpreted literary. For example, the consensus on AP is that Blackbeard can eat two devil fruits because of marcos hasty comment about his "unusual body" or whatever it was. Some people tried to propose the theory of him using the Yami Yami no Mi to absorb the power from Whitebeards corpse (wich is a popular theory pretty much everywhere else)
but you see, there is no solid evidence backing this up, so its obviously not the reason. how he got the power is "meant to be a mystery. the blanket proves this and oda doesnt want to tell us". But Teach can use two powers because thats what marco suggested (in the original translation marco says it more like a theory) and Marco is OBVIOUSLY an expert on Marshall D. Teach Right?
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On September 20 2013 10:51 sc2holar wrote:
TL is awesome. i have a bad experience with forums that are too focused one one particular "obscure" game/comic/movie etc. The Final Fantasy forums from my youth still haunt me. Its like they always turn into "who knows the mos, who can recite everything and reference the page and chaptert" contest and everything is interpreted literary. For example, the consensus on AP is that Blackbeard can eat two devil fruits because of marcos hasty comment about his "unusual body" or whatever it was. Some people tried to propose the theory of him using the Yami Yami no Mi to absorb the power from Whitebeards corpse (wich is a popular theory pretty much everywhere else)
but you see, there is no solid evidence backing this up, so its obviously not the reason. how he got the power is "meant to be a mystery. the blanket proves this and oda doesnt want to tell us". But Teach can use two powers because thats what marco suggested (in the original translation marco says it more like a theory) and Marco is OBVIOUSLY an expert on Marshall D. Teach Right?
well, we don't know which of the teories is true. But Marco should have quite alot of information on Blackbeard considering how long they actually was in the same pirate crew.
I don't visit most forums that only discuss one thing, how much can you really discuss things before its devolves into just pure silliness
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Given WB's long relationship with BB he should've know firsthand not to suicide at BB's presence since BB would just absorb his DF. It's highly likely that Marco doesn't know shit about dual DF powers and is just randomly spewing his own speculation/foreshadowing devices as intended by Oda. In short, we can't take that as solid evidence
Who knows if Oda's gonna push through with the cerberus theory
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On September 20 2013 10:56 DODswe4 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 10:51 sc2holar wrote:
TL is awesome. i have a bad experience with forums that are too focused one one particular "obscure" game/comic/movie etc. The Final Fantasy forums from my youth still haunt me. Its like they always turn into "who knows the mos, who can recite everything and reference the page and chaptert" contest and everything is interpreted literary. For example, the consensus on AP is that Blackbeard can eat two devil fruits because of marcos hasty comment about his "unusual body" or whatever it was. Some people tried to propose the theory of him using the Yami Yami no Mi to absorb the power from Whitebeards corpse (wich is a popular theory pretty much everywhere else)
but you see, there is no solid evidence backing this up, so its obviously not the reason. how he got the power is "meant to be a mystery. the blanket proves this and oda doesnt want to tell us". But Teach can use two powers because thats what marco suggested (in the original translation marco says it more like a theory) and Marco is OBVIOUSLY an expert on Marshall D. Teach Right? well, we don't know which of the teories is true. But Marco should have quite alot of information on Blackbeard considering how long they actually was in the same pirate crew. I don't visit most forums that only discuss one thing, how much can you really discuss things before its devolves into just pure silliness
in the original japanese version marco makes a remark that goes something like this "What? He cannot have the body of a normal human! Maybe Teach is indeed a monster through and through?!"
Its more of a reactionary comment than a lecture. Either way, the theory could very well be true in the case of explaining how BB has two DFs, but it doesnt attempt to explain how he got the Gura Gura from WB.
Since this is still 100% secret (altough the yami yami being able to absorb everything, as stated by bb seems likely), Nobody there sees a point in discussing it or making up theories because there is no solid proof, hence useless and regardless of how interesting your theory is, people will just ask for evidence or forshadowing that supports the theory.
This is what happens when there is so little to talk about and the driving force behind the discussions is just people wanting to prove how much they know about the manga, and fanboys wanting to prove how awesome their favourite character is.
TL is a miracle site. For one, its originally a starcraft forum. It could be nothing but people playing smartasses and arguing over if player X is stronger than Y, but i guess the magic recipie is:
1. Great Moderation since the origin and they are giving their all to keep it up.
2. My experience is that RTS players, and especially those who are curious to discuss the game, tend to have above average intelligence. call it a broad generalization but thats my experience from TL and meeting RTS gamers irl.
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To go back on topic: if BB could absorb several devil fruits before the yami yami no mi, then why didnt he? why was it that he is only using additional devil fruits after he got the YYNM, if it has nothing to do with it. i mean he was a veteran from the WB pirates with exceptional strenght even before he got the fruit, he must have had acces to plenty of DFs before.
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On September 20 2013 11:35 sc2holar wrote:
To go back on topic: if BB could absorb several devil fruits before the yami yami no mi, then why didnt he? why was it that he is only using additional devil fruits after he got the YYNM, if it has nothing to do with it. i mean he was a veteran from the WB pirates with exceptional strenght even before he got the fruit, he must have had acces to plenty of DFs before.
this is a good argument for it having to do with YYNM. it might also be that he needs the fruit but need something more as well, that wasnt shown when he took whitebeards fruit. I would actually like to see what happens if a normal person eats two fruits
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I feel like Blackbeard is the physical manifestation of all the mysteries of One Piece world (not literally).
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On September 20 2013 04:06 hooahah wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 03:51 kirsed wrote:On September 20 2013 03:21 hooahah wrote:On September 20 2013 01:18 Forikorder wrote:On September 20 2013 00:53 hooahah wrote:
Jimbei's gonna be the next strawhat. He has/had interactions with the crew members, he spent something like 150 chapters with Luffy, he has a dream and he's utterly bitchingly awesome. He had a gigantic death flag during the war (going as far as to try sacrificing himself) but barring that, the next best thing he chose to do is live his life for Luffy.
HE'S ALREADY AGREED TO JOIN THE STRAWHATS
IT'S DONE he didnt really have a death flag during the war but the death flag at the end of the fishman arc was pretty huge http://i17.mangareader.net/one-piece/567/one-piece-1038360.jpg Eeeeeh? bottom right - "this'll be a good place to put my tombstone" pretty sure there's another spot during the war where he says that this is where he'll die meanwhile FI had no death flag for him
i dont think you understand waht a death flag is
when someone says "im getting to old for this" thats a death flag, if someone saids "i have this one big dangerous thing before i can quit" thats a death flag saying "ill do this if it costs me my life" is actually an anti-death flag, because people expect him to die
so Jimbei saying "ill join your crew but i gotta take care of something first so ask me again then" is a BIG death flag
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Unless Franky somehow acquired the technology, Straw Hats don't have the tech to have Zoro's sword eat the fruit. That and I don't really think that Zoro would want that.
Also Jimbei joining could be done in another arc after this one. In fact here is a possibility. As of now Law & Luffy are working together to take down Dofla's infrastructure, where he produces DF and then sells them to Kaido. As Law said, their goal is to even the playing field in the New World, because Kaido having an army of dragon Zoans would probably be tough to deal with. Also it would eliminate Dofla from the picture, which would definitely be a good thing for Law.
ONCE they take out Dofla and his factory, we all seem to agree that Kaido is the Yonko they're going for. However, we don't have hard proof.. It's that lack of proof that makes me think that they'll be going for Big Mam. Let's think about this. Big Mam controls Fishman island, which is geographically pretty close to where they are now, the Straw Hats just came from there. So Big Mam might arguably be the closest Yonko. Also, Jimbei said that he had shit with big mam to deal with before being able to join the Straw hat crew. My guess is that in the arc after this one, they go for Big Mam and they help/save Jimbei in the process. Kind of like Water 7 Arc, where they take on a HUGE enemy just to save one guy. Jimbei needing help isn't part of the plan obviously.
This also allows Jimbei to meet with Law again. Yada yada yada
Why is Jimbei a good candidate to be a Straw Hat?
- He's not human. Franky/Chopper/Brook aren't human so is the next Straw Hat really going to be a human? Diversity for the win.
- He's been helped by Luffy.
- He's strong as fuck (monster quartet).
- He's already got a bounty so he won't need a new one.
- He has a dream, that dream is Queen Otohime's which he's trying to protect the best he can. It may have something to do with what he has "to do" before he joins.
- He's already accepted to join the crew.
- Who cares about death flags? Ace didn't have one on them and they're dead as fuck, I really expected Ace to live after Luffy managed to get his cuffs off. Was really shocked. Whitebeard I guess did have a death flag on him. But 2 characters out of all the ones we've seen? Is someone really going to die that soon?
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On September 20 2013 14:36 Incognoto wrote:
Unless Franky somehow acquired the technology, Straw Hats don't have the tech to have Zoro's sword eat the fruit. That and I don't really think that Zoro would want that.
Also Jimbei joining could be done in another arc after this one. In fact here is a possibility. As of now Law & Luffy are working together to take down Dofla's infrastructure, where he produces DF and then sells them to Kaido. As Law said, their goal is to even the playing field in the New World, because Kaido having an army of dragon Zoans would probably be tough to deal with. Also it would eliminate Dofla from the picture, which would definitely be a good thing for Law.
ONCE they take out Dofla and his factory, we all seem to agree that Kaido is the Yonko they're going for. However, we don't have hard proof.. It's that lack of proof that makes me think that they'll be going for Big Mam. Let's think about this. Big Mam controls Fishman island, which is geographically pretty close to where they are now, the Straw Hats just came from there. So Big Mam might arguably be the closest Yonko. Also, Jimbei said that he had shit with big mam to deal with before being able to join the Straw hat crew. My guess is that in the arc after this one, they go for Big Mam and they help/save Jimbei in the process. Kind of like Water 7 Arc, where they take on a HUGE enemy just to save one guy. Jimbei needing help isn't part of the plan obviously.
This also allows Jimbei to meet with Law again. Yada yada yada
Why is Jimbei a good candidate to be a Straw Hat?
- He's not human. Franky/Chopper/Brook aren't human so is the next Straw Hat really going to be a human? Diversity for the win.
- He's been helped by Luffy.
- He's strong as fuck (monster quartet).
- He's already got a bounty so he won't need a new one.
- He has a dream, that dream is Queen Otohime's which he's trying to protect the best he can. It may have something to do with what he has "to do" before he joins.
- He's already accepted to join the crew.
- Who cares about death flags? Ace didn't have one on them and they're dead as fuck, I really expected Ace to live after Luffy managed to get his cuffs off. Was really shocked. Whitebeard I guess did have a death flag on him. But 2 characters out of all the ones we've seen? Is someone really going to die that soon?
I doubt Zoro gets the fruit for himself or his swords especially when he will most likely be learning to cut/create fire from Kinemon.
I doubt that they go after big mom right now certainly if we assume that taking away the artificial devil fruit directly involves Kaido. Oda usually does something at the end of an arc that hints at two arcs from where we are when the hint comes out. I can totally see the Strawhats going after big mom after they take down Kaido. Or at the very least the I think the pirate alliance has to end. How I see it is that this arc resolved in some fashion then we learn Jinbei is dead or is in some form of huge danger from Big Mom and then we have to go help him or avenge him.
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Ace had a death flag because it was either he joins the Straw Hat Pirates and lives in Luffy's shadow or he dies. That's also according to Oda.
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Law said that they are going after kaido and that he estimates their chance of beating him to be 30%.
Im pretty sure big mom is lolas "very powerful mother in the new world" and that she will end up an ally to the strawhats. 4 yonkous. Having 2 enemies (Kaido BB) and 2 allies (shanks, big mum) would make sense. Remember mihawks quote about Luffys ability to turn enemies into friends is the most dangerous ability on all of the seas.
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On September 20 2013 15:08 Serpest wrote:
Ace had a death flag because it was either he joins the Straw Hat Pirates and lives in Luffy's shadow or he dies. That's also according to Oda.
Same goes for Law then? I guess Doflamingo is killing him as we speak.
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Olli
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Yeah except if Law dies then the entire setup was pointless. Law is 100% not going to die.
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By the same logic, aces death made the entire impel down arc pointless. I dont think Law is dying but the death flag logic is pretty stupid.
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Olli
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No because Impel Down didn't set Ace's story up for anything beyond the Marineford arc. As for Law? There's a huge arc set up with him and Luffy fighting Kaido, Law's crewmembers are mentioned to be waiting for them on an island, etc.
There was no building towards Ace's future in Impel Down and during the Marineford arc, no clues and hints as to what he might do after being rescued whereas there is now. Storytelling 101
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On September 20 2013 11:35 sc2holar wrote:
To go back on topic: if BB could absorb several devil fruits before the yami yami no mi, then why didnt he? why was it that he is only using additional devil fruits after he got the YYNM, if it has nothing to do with it. i mean he was a veteran from the WB pirates with exceptional strenght even before he got the fruit, he must have had acces to plenty of DFs before.
We know he wanted the Yami fruit specifically, and we know he want the Gura fruit specifically (it was his entire reason for showing up at the war if I'm not mistaken).
It stands to reason that the two fruits are connected (although that's unlikely), or that Blackbeard can only eat a limited number of additional fruits (hence why he was so picky about which he choose). HOW he can accomplish this may or may not have anything to do with the Yami fruit itself. He may have only wanted it first because he knew he couldn't get the Gura fruit without it, or because he knew it wasn't already claimed.
I'm leaning more towards he can only eat a limited number, and that he just wants to eat which he feels are the strongest fruits because of it.
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