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On June 18 2022 02:40 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2022 02:17 Shinokuki wrote:On June 17 2022 23:05 Hyperbola wrote:
Where exactly did the marines get all these Admirals from? Do they grow on trees? (pun intended)
But seriously, Fujitora was one thing, he didn't really seem all that special and was right around Doflamingo/Katakuri level from what we've seen, but Green Bull is over here wiping out two Yonko commanders simultaneously without breaking a sweat. Keep in mind, Marco could barely keep up with King/Queen before he tired out. And in the past characters like Aokiji and Kizaru could only take on one commander at a time - Jozu and Marco, respectively.
So do you mean to tell me that this man, who could very well be a Yonko due to his strength, just willingly decided to join the marines and become a lacky for the World Government? With his power he must at least be the king of a country or the commander of a great army, so why would he leave all of that behind just to become a working stiff for the government? Do admirals really get that many perks for the work that they do?
If Green Bull wanted power, he could have just become an emperor. If Green Bull wanted justice, he would have joined the marines sooner. If Green Bull was a loner like Mihawk, what could possibly make him change his mind and become an admiral of all things? It makes zero sense for this largely unknown character to exist in One Piece as he does. I hope Oda offers some explanation because otherwise this is just bad writing. Out of all things, you think this is bad writing? This isn't bad writing at all. Admirals were always equal or slightly below yonko.The narrative kept changing regarding admiral power level throughout the years when Oda constantly put admiral on the same level as yonko via narration (don chinjao's quote, Big mom being possible FA, Shanks being strong enough to go "toe to toe" with admiral on SBS. First it was Admiral = Doffy, then it evolved to Admiral = Katakuri, then it evolved to Admiral = First mate, and now that an Admiral says "mere commanders" people are really confused now. Not sure what 2 piece you've been reading. It was in your face all the time, even during marineford when WB was hyped to the max and still got clapped by admirals. People were so brainwashed by anime scenes that they thought admiral = YC2 lmao. When akainu fought WB he always had the upper hand until he got sneaked attacked by blood thirsted WB. Even then, he vaporized part of WB's head and didn't get KO'd. In manga, you see akainu falling to the depths, still conscious enough to dig a hole and pursue luffy. Otherwise, he would've drown in the water. After that, he still faced 14 WB commanders + 2 shichibukai + 2 rev. Hmm, that kinda seems like what Kaido is doing in a era of hyper power inflation.. Admirals were always on the same level as yonkos and I'm glad Oda had that panel of GB mercilessly destroying the beast pirates. Oda is not gonna disrespect the japanese icons he drew, only to get stalled by a subordinate. He's gonna make sure they shine and clash equally with the yonkos. My final thought is that due to Oda's inconsistency and horrid power scaling system, he will make the character as strong as he wants for the story to be interesting. We had Garp on Marineford and that alone should've been enough to beat WB himself. We had 4 admirals + mihawk who would've clapped WB pirates in a heartbeat. But nope, he had to make it interesting and he had to hype the first yonko crew appearance. It was never about power scaling but more about how oda can hype shit up without making sense. I think you're missing the point of my post. It's not to rank powerlevels, but call attention to the fact that characters like Green Bull were essentially created out of nowhere by Oda without reasonable justification. Green Bull isn't like Aokiji, Kizaru, or Akainu, where he joined and progressed through the marines, he was recruited at his current state via the recruitment draft during the timeskip. This means that he was recruited from somewhere, which means that he had to have a life and had to have developed Admiral level fighting skills before he joined. My question is: "where?". Why was he never mentioned and then popped into existence. Surely, a character that could go toe to toe with Yonko would have at least some notoriety. He clearly wasn't a pirate, so was he the general or king of a nation? What would possess such a man to even become an admiral so late in his life when he's powerful enough to run his own empire? It just makes no sense to me.
Maybe he did have some notoriety, but I don't think that it really matters that we didn't know about him earlier than we did. Like for example, before Aokiji showed up, we had never heard about him (or admirals, for that matter). Before Akainu was shown at Marineford, the only time we even knew he existed was because of a narrator box in Robin's flashback, and yet he was essentially the strongest man in the Navy (that we know of). Before we met Rayleigh, we didn't even know his name or his legend. We never heard of Magellen prior to Impel Down, despite him being powerful enough to completely overwhelm several Shichibukai and Revolutionary Army Offices at the same time with little difficulty. Pre-time skip, we had never heard of the likes of Katakuri or King either, and they are both apparently very notorious. So given all that, I don't see why its strange we didn't know about Greenbull, or Fujitora for that matter. Before they were introduced, it probably just wasn't relevant information, so it wasn't told to the reader. Why would we need to know about some powerful people on an Island far away from our adventure, doing things that don't relate to our adventure? When they did become relevant, they were either mentioned or shown.
As far as motivations go, we know next to nothing about the motivations behind any of the Marines, so Greenbull isn't really any different in that department. There are some we know about to some extent (like Smoker or Coby), but we don't know about Kizaru or Akainu for instance. Thats probably intentional though, and I think we'll eventually find out more eventually. Its not like Oda never elaborates on the pasts of his villains.
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On June 18 2022 11:12 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2022 02:40 Hyperbola wrote:On June 18 2022 02:17 Shinokuki wrote:On June 17 2022 23:05 Hyperbola wrote:
Where exactly did the marines get all these Admirals from? Do they grow on trees? (pun intended)
But seriously, Fujitora was one thing, he didn't really seem all that special and was right around Doflamingo/Katakuri level from what we've seen, but Green Bull is over here wiping out two Yonko commanders simultaneously without breaking a sweat. Keep in mind, Marco could barely keep up with King/Queen before he tired out. And in the past characters like Aokiji and Kizaru could only take on one commander at a time - Jozu and Marco, respectively.
So do you mean to tell me that this man, who could very well be a Yonko due to his strength, just willingly decided to join the marines and become a lacky for the World Government? With his power he must at least be the king of a country or the commander of a great army, so why would he leave all of that behind just to become a working stiff for the government? Do admirals really get that many perks for the work that they do?
If Green Bull wanted power, he could have just become an emperor. If Green Bull wanted justice, he would have joined the marines sooner. If Green Bull was a loner like Mihawk, what could possibly make him change his mind and become an admiral of all things? It makes zero sense for this largely unknown character to exist in One Piece as he does. I hope Oda offers some explanation because otherwise this is just bad writing. Out of all things, you think this is bad writing? This isn't bad writing at all. Admirals were always equal or slightly below yonko.The narrative kept changing regarding admiral power level throughout the years when Oda constantly put admiral on the same level as yonko via narration (don chinjao's quote, Big mom being possible FA, Shanks being strong enough to go "toe to toe" with admiral on SBS. First it was Admiral = Doffy, then it evolved to Admiral = Katakuri, then it evolved to Admiral = First mate, and now that an Admiral says "mere commanders" people are really confused now. Not sure what 2 piece you've been reading. It was in your face all the time, even during marineford when WB was hyped to the max and still got clapped by admirals. People were so brainwashed by anime scenes that they thought admiral = YC2 lmao. When akainu fought WB he always had the upper hand until he got sneaked attacked by blood thirsted WB. Even then, he vaporized part of WB's head and didn't get KO'd. In manga, you see akainu falling to the depths, still conscious enough to dig a hole and pursue luffy. Otherwise, he would've drown in the water. After that, he still faced 14 WB commanders + 2 shichibukai + 2 rev. Hmm, that kinda seems like what Kaido is doing in a era of hyper power inflation.. Admirals were always on the same level as yonkos and I'm glad Oda had that panel of GB mercilessly destroying the beast pirates. Oda is not gonna disrespect the japanese icons he drew, only to get stalled by a subordinate. He's gonna make sure they shine and clash equally with the yonkos. My final thought is that due to Oda's inconsistency and horrid power scaling system, he will make the character as strong as he wants for the story to be interesting. We had Garp on Marineford and that alone should've been enough to beat WB himself. We had 4 admirals + mihawk who would've clapped WB pirates in a heartbeat. But nope, he had to make it interesting and he had to hype the first yonko crew appearance. It was never about power scaling but more about how oda can hype shit up without making sense. I think you're missing the point of my post. It's not to rank powerlevels, but call attention to the fact that characters like Green Bull were essentially created out of nowhere by Oda without reasonable justification. Green Bull isn't like Aokiji, Kizaru, or Akainu, where he joined and progressed through the marines, he was recruited at his current state via the recruitment draft during the timeskip. This means that he was recruited from somewhere, which means that he had to have a life and had to have developed Admiral level fighting skills before he joined. My question is: "where?". Why was he never mentioned and then popped into existence. Surely, a character that could go toe to toe with Yonko would have at least some notoriety. He clearly wasn't a pirate, so was he the general or king of a nation? What would possess such a man to even become an admiral so late in his life when he's powerful enough to run his own empire? It just makes no sense to me. Maybe he did have some notoriety, but I don't think that it really matters that we didn't know about him earlier than we did. Like for example, before Aokiji showed up, we had never heard about him (or admirals, for that matter). Before Akainu was shown at Marineford, the only time we even knew he existed was because of a narrator box in Robin's flashback, and yet he was essentially the strongest man in the Navy (that we know of). Before we met Rayleigh, we didn't even know his name or his legend. We never heard of Magellen prior to Impel Down, despite him being powerful enough to completely overwhelm several Shichibukai and Revolutionary Army Offices at the same time with little difficulty. Pre-time skip, we had never heard of the likes of Katakuri or King either, and they are both apparently very notorious. So given all that, I don't see why its strange we didn't know about Greenbull, or Fujitora for that matter. Before they were introduced, it probably just wasn't relevant information, so it wasn't told to the reader. Why would we need to know about some powerful people on an Island far away from our adventure, doing things that don't relate to our adventure? When they did become relevant, they were either mentioned or shown. As far as motivations go, we know next to nothing about the motivations behind any of the Marines, so Greenbull isn't really any different in that department. There are some we know about to some extent (like Smoker or Coby), but we don't know about Kizaru or Akainu for instance. Thats probably intentional though, and I think we'll eventually find out more eventually. Its not like Oda never elaborates on the pasts of his villains.
We do, actually, know the motivations of quite a bit of the marines. They either value their own brand of justice or seek to hunt pirates.
All of those character introductions you mentioned happened before the world was really established, and the ones that came later always had some sort of explanation. Once we hit marineford, the One Piece universe basically said: "these are the major players." And if they aren't, where exactly were they?
What happened with the Marines during the timeskip would be the equivalent of the Big Mom pirates suddenly revealing that Big Mom had a sister, called Big Aunt. She's just as powerful as Big Mom, and no one has mentioned her before. I guess she kept a low profile. Well now that Big Mom is Big Gone, Big Aunt is here to take over and now they're called the Big Aunt pirates. Oh and Big Aunt has the death death fruit which just fucking kills everyone she looks at. Original character, do not steal.
Do you see the issue here? Where the hell was Big Aunt during any of the story for her to just pop into existence like that? Why didn't she have her own pirate crew and why didn't she become an Emperor earlier? Was she just hiding and waiting for Big Mom to die so that she could take over her crew?
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On June 19 2022 06:01 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2022 11:12 Sentenal wrote:On June 18 2022 02:40 Hyperbola wrote:On June 18 2022 02:17 Shinokuki wrote:On June 17 2022 23:05 Hyperbola wrote:
Where exactly did the marines get all these Admirals from? Do they grow on trees? (pun intended)
But seriously, Fujitora was one thing, he didn't really seem all that special and was right around Doflamingo/Katakuri level from what we've seen, but Green Bull is over here wiping out two Yonko commanders simultaneously without breaking a sweat. Keep in mind, Marco could barely keep up with King/Queen before he tired out. And in the past characters like Aokiji and Kizaru could only take on one commander at a time - Jozu and Marco, respectively.
So do you mean to tell me that this man, who could very well be a Yonko due to his strength, just willingly decided to join the marines and become a lacky for the World Government? With his power he must at least be the king of a country or the commander of a great army, so why would he leave all of that behind just to become a working stiff for the government? Do admirals really get that many perks for the work that they do?
If Green Bull wanted power, he could have just become an emperor. If Green Bull wanted justice, he would have joined the marines sooner. If Green Bull was a loner like Mihawk, what could possibly make him change his mind and become an admiral of all things? It makes zero sense for this largely unknown character to exist in One Piece as he does. I hope Oda offers some explanation because otherwise this is just bad writing. Out of all things, you think this is bad writing? This isn't bad writing at all. Admirals were always equal or slightly below yonko.The narrative kept changing regarding admiral power level throughout the years when Oda constantly put admiral on the same level as yonko via narration (don chinjao's quote, Big mom being possible FA, Shanks being strong enough to go "toe to toe" with admiral on SBS. First it was Admiral = Doffy, then it evolved to Admiral = Katakuri, then it evolved to Admiral = First mate, and now that an Admiral says "mere commanders" people are really confused now. Not sure what 2 piece you've been reading. It was in your face all the time, even during marineford when WB was hyped to the max and still got clapped by admirals. People were so brainwashed by anime scenes that they thought admiral = YC2 lmao. When akainu fought WB he always had the upper hand until he got sneaked attacked by blood thirsted WB. Even then, he vaporized part of WB's head and didn't get KO'd. In manga, you see akainu falling to the depths, still conscious enough to dig a hole and pursue luffy. Otherwise, he would've drown in the water. After that, he still faced 14 WB commanders + 2 shichibukai + 2 rev. Hmm, that kinda seems like what Kaido is doing in a era of hyper power inflation.. Admirals were always on the same level as yonkos and I'm glad Oda had that panel of GB mercilessly destroying the beast pirates. Oda is not gonna disrespect the japanese icons he drew, only to get stalled by a subordinate. He's gonna make sure they shine and clash equally with the yonkos. My final thought is that due to Oda's inconsistency and horrid power scaling system, he will make the character as strong as he wants for the story to be interesting. We had Garp on Marineford and that alone should've been enough to beat WB himself. We had 4 admirals + mihawk who would've clapped WB pirates in a heartbeat. But nope, he had to make it interesting and he had to hype the first yonko crew appearance. It was never about power scaling but more about how oda can hype shit up without making sense. I think you're missing the point of my post. It's not to rank powerlevels, but call attention to the fact that characters like Green Bull were essentially created out of nowhere by Oda without reasonable justification. Green Bull isn't like Aokiji, Kizaru, or Akainu, where he joined and progressed through the marines, he was recruited at his current state via the recruitment draft during the timeskip. This means that he was recruited from somewhere, which means that he had to have a life and had to have developed Admiral level fighting skills before he joined. My question is: "where?". Why was he never mentioned and then popped into existence. Surely, a character that could go toe to toe with Yonko would have at least some notoriety. He clearly wasn't a pirate, so was he the general or king of a nation? What would possess such a man to even become an admiral so late in his life when he's powerful enough to run his own empire? It just makes no sense to me. Maybe he did have some notoriety, but I don't think that it really matters that we didn't know about him earlier than we did. Like for example, before Aokiji showed up, we had never heard about him (or admirals, for that matter). Before Akainu was shown at Marineford, the only time we even knew he existed was because of a narrator box in Robin's flashback, and yet he was essentially the strongest man in the Navy (that we know of). Before we met Rayleigh, we didn't even know his name or his legend. We never heard of Magellen prior to Impel Down, despite him being powerful enough to completely overwhelm several Shichibukai and Revolutionary Army Offices at the same time with little difficulty. Pre-time skip, we had never heard of the likes of Katakuri or King either, and they are both apparently very notorious. So given all that, I don't see why its strange we didn't know about Greenbull, or Fujitora for that matter. Before they were introduced, it probably just wasn't relevant information, so it wasn't told to the reader. Why would we need to know about some powerful people on an Island far away from our adventure, doing things that don't relate to our adventure? When they did become relevant, they were either mentioned or shown. As far as motivations go, we know next to nothing about the motivations behind any of the Marines, so Greenbull isn't really any different in that department. There are some we know about to some extent (like Smoker or Coby), but we don't know about Kizaru or Akainu for instance. Thats probably intentional though, and I think we'll eventually find out more eventually. Its not like Oda never elaborates on the pasts of his villains. We do, actually, know the motivations of quite a bit of the marines. They either value their own brand of justice or seek to hunt pirates. All of those character introductions you mentioned happened before the world was really established, and the ones that came later always had some sort of explanation. Once we hit marineford, the One Piece universe basically said: "these are the major players." And if they aren't, where exactly were they? What happened with the Marines during the timeskip would be the equivalent of the Big Mom pirates suddenly revealing that Big Mom had a sister, called Big Aunt. She's just as powerful as Big Mom, and no one has mentioned her before. I guess she kept a low profile. Well now that Big Mom is Big Gone, Big Aunt is here to take over and now they're called the Big Aunt pirates. Oh and Big Aunt has the death death fruit which just fucking kills everyone she looks at. Original character, do not steal. Do you see the issue here? Where the hell was Big Aunt during any of the story for her to just pop into existence like that? Why didn't she have her own pirate crew and why didn't she become an Emperor earlier? Was she just hiding and waiting for Big Mom to die so that she could take over her crew?
So, lets just assume your Big Mom analogy actually happened, just for the sake of argument. Which part, pre-time skip, would it have been relevant to explain all of that? Would it have been relevant to start a big Big Aunt exposition dump at Enies Lobby? Maybe when Coby said the Emperors exist (and didn't say anything else about either of their crews), he could have said "oh yea and one of them has a sister named Big Aunt"? Maybe on Thriller Bark, when they say that Gecko Moria lost to Kaido, they could have been "Not only did he lose to Kaido, but Big Mom also has a sister!" Maybe at Marineford when they were about to execute Ace, Sengoku could have been like "Ace is the son of Gold Roger, and also Big Mom has a sister!"
The above all sounds ridiculous to me. The subject of who is in Big Mom's crew or how powerful they are simply wasn't relevant to anything that was happening pre-timeskip, so there wasn't any reason to bring it up.
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On June 19 2022 08:07 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2022 06:01 Hyperbola wrote:On June 18 2022 11:12 Sentenal wrote:On June 18 2022 02:40 Hyperbola wrote:On June 18 2022 02:17 Shinokuki wrote:On June 17 2022 23:05 Hyperbola wrote:
Where exactly did the marines get all these Admirals from? Do they grow on trees? (pun intended)
But seriously, Fujitora was one thing, he didn't really seem all that special and was right around Doflamingo/Katakuri level from what we've seen, but Green Bull is over here wiping out two Yonko commanders simultaneously without breaking a sweat. Keep in mind, Marco could barely keep up with King/Queen before he tired out. And in the past characters like Aokiji and Kizaru could only take on one commander at a time - Jozu and Marco, respectively.
So do you mean to tell me that this man, who could very well be a Yonko due to his strength, just willingly decided to join the marines and become a lacky for the World Government? With his power he must at least be the king of a country or the commander of a great army, so why would he leave all of that behind just to become a working stiff for the government? Do admirals really get that many perks for the work that they do?
If Green Bull wanted power, he could have just become an emperor. If Green Bull wanted justice, he would have joined the marines sooner. If Green Bull was a loner like Mihawk, what could possibly make him change his mind and become an admiral of all things? It makes zero sense for this largely unknown character to exist in One Piece as he does. I hope Oda offers some explanation because otherwise this is just bad writing. Out of all things, you think this is bad writing? This isn't bad writing at all. Admirals were always equal or slightly below yonko.The narrative kept changing regarding admiral power level throughout the years when Oda constantly put admiral on the same level as yonko via narration (don chinjao's quote, Big mom being possible FA, Shanks being strong enough to go "toe to toe" with admiral on SBS. First it was Admiral = Doffy, then it evolved to Admiral = Katakuri, then it evolved to Admiral = First mate, and now that an Admiral says "mere commanders" people are really confused now. Not sure what 2 piece you've been reading. It was in your face all the time, even during marineford when WB was hyped to the max and still got clapped by admirals. People were so brainwashed by anime scenes that they thought admiral = YC2 lmao. When akainu fought WB he always had the upper hand until he got sneaked attacked by blood thirsted WB. Even then, he vaporized part of WB's head and didn't get KO'd. In manga, you see akainu falling to the depths, still conscious enough to dig a hole and pursue luffy. Otherwise, he would've drown in the water. After that, he still faced 14 WB commanders + 2 shichibukai + 2 rev. Hmm, that kinda seems like what Kaido is doing in a era of hyper power inflation.. Admirals were always on the same level as yonkos and I'm glad Oda had that panel of GB mercilessly destroying the beast pirates. Oda is not gonna disrespect the japanese icons he drew, only to get stalled by a subordinate. He's gonna make sure they shine and clash equally with the yonkos. My final thought is that due to Oda's inconsistency and horrid power scaling system, he will make the character as strong as he wants for the story to be interesting. We had Garp on Marineford and that alone should've been enough to beat WB himself. We had 4 admirals + mihawk who would've clapped WB pirates in a heartbeat. But nope, he had to make it interesting and he had to hype the first yonko crew appearance. It was never about power scaling but more about how oda can hype shit up without making sense. I think you're missing the point of my post. It's not to rank powerlevels, but call attention to the fact that characters like Green Bull were essentially created out of nowhere by Oda without reasonable justification. Green Bull isn't like Aokiji, Kizaru, or Akainu, where he joined and progressed through the marines, he was recruited at his current state via the recruitment draft during the timeskip. This means that he was recruited from somewhere, which means that he had to have a life and had to have developed Admiral level fighting skills before he joined. My question is: "where?". Why was he never mentioned and then popped into existence. Surely, a character that could go toe to toe with Yonko would have at least some notoriety. He clearly wasn't a pirate, so was he the general or king of a nation? What would possess such a man to even become an admiral so late in his life when he's powerful enough to run his own empire? It just makes no sense to me. Maybe he did have some notoriety, but I don't think that it really matters that we didn't know about him earlier than we did. Like for example, before Aokiji showed up, we had never heard about him (or admirals, for that matter). Before Akainu was shown at Marineford, the only time we even knew he existed was because of a narrator box in Robin's flashback, and yet he was essentially the strongest man in the Navy (that we know of). Before we met Rayleigh, we didn't even know his name or his legend. We never heard of Magellen prior to Impel Down, despite him being powerful enough to completely overwhelm several Shichibukai and Revolutionary Army Offices at the same time with little difficulty. Pre-time skip, we had never heard of the likes of Katakuri or King either, and they are both apparently very notorious. So given all that, I don't see why its strange we didn't know about Greenbull, or Fujitora for that matter. Before they were introduced, it probably just wasn't relevant information, so it wasn't told to the reader. Why would we need to know about some powerful people on an Island far away from our adventure, doing things that don't relate to our adventure? When they did become relevant, they were either mentioned or shown. As far as motivations go, we know next to nothing about the motivations behind any of the Marines, so Greenbull isn't really any different in that department. There are some we know about to some extent (like Smoker or Coby), but we don't know about Kizaru or Akainu for instance. Thats probably intentional though, and I think we'll eventually find out more eventually. Its not like Oda never elaborates on the pasts of his villains. We do, actually, know the motivations of quite a bit of the marines. They either value their own brand of justice or seek to hunt pirates. All of those character introductions you mentioned happened before the world was really established, and the ones that came later always had some sort of explanation. Once we hit marineford, the One Piece universe basically said: "these are the major players." And if they aren't, where exactly were they? What happened with the Marines during the timeskip would be the equivalent of the Big Mom pirates suddenly revealing that Big Mom had a sister, called Big Aunt. She's just as powerful as Big Mom, and no one has mentioned her before. I guess she kept a low profile. Well now that Big Mom is Big Gone, Big Aunt is here to take over and now they're called the Big Aunt pirates. Oh and Big Aunt has the death death fruit which just fucking kills everyone she looks at. Original character, do not steal. Do you see the issue here? Where the hell was Big Aunt during any of the story for her to just pop into existence like that? Why didn't she have her own pirate crew and why didn't she become an Emperor earlier? Was she just hiding and waiting for Big Mom to die so that she could take over her crew? So, lets just assume your Big Mom analogy actually happened, just for the sake of argument. Which part, pre-time skip, would it have been relevant to explain all of that? Would it have been relevant to start a big Big Aunt exposition dump at Enies Lobby? Maybe when Coby said the Emperors exist (and didn't say anything else about either of their crews), he could have said "oh yea and one of them has a sister named Big Aunt"? Maybe on Thriller Bark, when they say that Gecko Moria lost to Kaido, they could have been "Not only did he lose to Kaido, but Big Mom also has a sister!" Maybe at Marineford when they were about to execute Ace, Sengoku could have been like "Ace is the son of Gold Roger, and also Big Mom has a sister!" The above all sounds ridiculous to me. The subject of who is in Big Mom's crew or how powerful they are simply wasn't relevant to anything that was happening pre-timeskip, so there wasn't any reason to bring it up.
You're acting like oda is this non faulty mangaka who planned it out. It's ok to admit Oda retconns like crazy and introduces shit without any planning .When are people gonna realize Oda is a hype beast lol. Any one and their mother can write a story and suddenly introduce a character and say yeah that character is admiral level.
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On June 19 2022 08:21 Shinokuki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2022 08:07 Sentenal wrote:On June 19 2022 06:01 Hyperbola wrote:On June 18 2022 11:12 Sentenal wrote:On June 18 2022 02:40 Hyperbola wrote:On June 18 2022 02:17 Shinokuki wrote:On June 17 2022 23:05 Hyperbola wrote:
Where exactly did the marines get all these Admirals from? Do they grow on trees? (pun intended)
But seriously, Fujitora was one thing, he didn't really seem all that special and was right around Doflamingo/Katakuri level from what we've seen, but Green Bull is over here wiping out two Yonko commanders simultaneously without breaking a sweat. Keep in mind, Marco could barely keep up with King/Queen before he tired out. And in the past characters like Aokiji and Kizaru could only take on one commander at a time - Jozu and Marco, respectively.
So do you mean to tell me that this man, who could very well be a Yonko due to his strength, just willingly decided to join the marines and become a lacky for the World Government? With his power he must at least be the king of a country or the commander of a great army, so why would he leave all of that behind just to become a working stiff for the government? Do admirals really get that many perks for the work that they do?
If Green Bull wanted power, he could have just become an emperor. If Green Bull wanted justice, he would have joined the marines sooner. If Green Bull was a loner like Mihawk, what could possibly make him change his mind and become an admiral of all things? It makes zero sense for this largely unknown character to exist in One Piece as he does. I hope Oda offers some explanation because otherwise this is just bad writing. Out of all things, you think this is bad writing? This isn't bad writing at all. Admirals were always equal or slightly below yonko.The narrative kept changing regarding admiral power level throughout the years when Oda constantly put admiral on the same level as yonko via narration (don chinjao's quote, Big mom being possible FA, Shanks being strong enough to go "toe to toe" with admiral on SBS. First it was Admiral = Doffy, then it evolved to Admiral = Katakuri, then it evolved to Admiral = First mate, and now that an Admiral says "mere commanders" people are really confused now. Not sure what 2 piece you've been reading. It was in your face all the time, even during marineford when WB was hyped to the max and still got clapped by admirals. People were so brainwashed by anime scenes that they thought admiral = YC2 lmao. When akainu fought WB he always had the upper hand until he got sneaked attacked by blood thirsted WB. Even then, he vaporized part of WB's head and didn't get KO'd. In manga, you see akainu falling to the depths, still conscious enough to dig a hole and pursue luffy. Otherwise, he would've drown in the water. After that, he still faced 14 WB commanders + 2 shichibukai + 2 rev. Hmm, that kinda seems like what Kaido is doing in a era of hyper power inflation.. Admirals were always on the same level as yonkos and I'm glad Oda had that panel of GB mercilessly destroying the beast pirates. Oda is not gonna disrespect the japanese icons he drew, only to get stalled by a subordinate. He's gonna make sure they shine and clash equally with the yonkos. My final thought is that due to Oda's inconsistency and horrid power scaling system, he will make the character as strong as he wants for the story to be interesting. We had Garp on Marineford and that alone should've been enough to beat WB himself. We had 4 admirals + mihawk who would've clapped WB pirates in a heartbeat. But nope, he had to make it interesting and he had to hype the first yonko crew appearance. It was never about power scaling but more about how oda can hype shit up without making sense. I think you're missing the point of my post. It's not to rank powerlevels, but call attention to the fact that characters like Green Bull were essentially created out of nowhere by Oda without reasonable justification. Green Bull isn't like Aokiji, Kizaru, or Akainu, where he joined and progressed through the marines, he was recruited at his current state via the recruitment draft during the timeskip. This means that he was recruited from somewhere, which means that he had to have a life and had to have developed Admiral level fighting skills before he joined. My question is: "where?". Why was he never mentioned and then popped into existence. Surely, a character that could go toe to toe with Yonko would have at least some notoriety. He clearly wasn't a pirate, so was he the general or king of a nation? What would possess such a man to even become an admiral so late in his life when he's powerful enough to run his own empire? It just makes no sense to me. Maybe he did have some notoriety, but I don't think that it really matters that we didn't know about him earlier than we did. Like for example, before Aokiji showed up, we had never heard about him (or admirals, for that matter). Before Akainu was shown at Marineford, the only time we even knew he existed was because of a narrator box in Robin's flashback, and yet he was essentially the strongest man in the Navy (that we know of). Before we met Rayleigh, we didn't even know his name or his legend. We never heard of Magellen prior to Impel Down, despite him being powerful enough to completely overwhelm several Shichibukai and Revolutionary Army Offices at the same time with little difficulty. Pre-time skip, we had never heard of the likes of Katakuri or King either, and they are both apparently very notorious. So given all that, I don't see why its strange we didn't know about Greenbull, or Fujitora for that matter. Before they were introduced, it probably just wasn't relevant information, so it wasn't told to the reader. Why would we need to know about some powerful people on an Island far away from our adventure, doing things that don't relate to our adventure? When they did become relevant, they were either mentioned or shown. As far as motivations go, we know next to nothing about the motivations behind any of the Marines, so Greenbull isn't really any different in that department. There are some we know about to some extent (like Smoker or Coby), but we don't know about Kizaru or Akainu for instance. Thats probably intentional though, and I think we'll eventually find out more eventually. Its not like Oda never elaborates on the pasts of his villains. We do, actually, know the motivations of quite a bit of the marines. They either value their own brand of justice or seek to hunt pirates. All of those character introductions you mentioned happened before the world was really established, and the ones that came later always had some sort of explanation. Once we hit marineford, the One Piece universe basically said: "these are the major players." And if they aren't, where exactly were they? What happened with the Marines during the timeskip would be the equivalent of the Big Mom pirates suddenly revealing that Big Mom had a sister, called Big Aunt. She's just as powerful as Big Mom, and no one has mentioned her before. I guess she kept a low profile. Well now that Big Mom is Big Gone, Big Aunt is here to take over and now they're called the Big Aunt pirates. Oh and Big Aunt has the death death fruit which just fucking kills everyone she looks at. Original character, do not steal. Do you see the issue here? Where the hell was Big Aunt during any of the story for her to just pop into existence like that? Why didn't she have her own pirate crew and why didn't she become an Emperor earlier? Was she just hiding and waiting for Big Mom to die so that she could take over her crew? So, lets just assume your Big Mom analogy actually happened, just for the sake of argument. Which part, pre-time skip, would it have been relevant to explain all of that? Would it have been relevant to start a big Big Aunt exposition dump at Enies Lobby? Maybe when Coby said the Emperors exist (and didn't say anything else about either of their crews), he could have said "oh yea and one of them has a sister named Big Aunt"? Maybe on Thriller Bark, when they say that Gecko Moria lost to Kaido, they could have been "Not only did he lose to Kaido, but Big Mom also has a sister!" Maybe at Marineford when they were about to execute Ace, Sengoku could have been like "Ace is the son of Gold Roger, and also Big Mom has a sister!" The above all sounds ridiculous to me. The subject of who is in Big Mom's crew or how powerful they are simply wasn't relevant to anything that was happening pre-timeskip, so there wasn't any reason to bring it up. You're acting like oda is this non faulty mangaka who planned it out. It's ok to admit Oda retconns like crazy and introduces shit without any planning .When are people gonna realize Oda is a hype beast lol. Any one and their mother can write a story and suddenly introduce a character and say yeah that character is admiral level.
Do you really have nothing better to do rather than just come into this thread to shit on the manga at every possible opportunity? Its just kind of sad that basically the only thing you do on this site is come into the One Piece thread to tell people how bad One Piece is, and little else
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I'd add that while we've seen some islands with comically weak armies (Alabasta) other places had something respectable like the Happo navy, and the Wano scabbards. Two beefed up Kinemons just sitting around doesn't seem so odd. And bounty hunters remain under-explored.
Really if you are nitpicking One Piece, the real confusing part is how weak the Nefatari and Ryugu royal guards are.
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On June 19 2022 08:07 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2022 06:01 Hyperbola wrote:On June 18 2022 11:12 Sentenal wrote:On June 18 2022 02:40 Hyperbola wrote:On June 18 2022 02:17 Shinokuki wrote:On June 17 2022 23:05 Hyperbola wrote:
Where exactly did the marines get all these Admirals from? Do they grow on trees? (pun intended)
But seriously, Fujitora was one thing, he didn't really seem all that special and was right around Doflamingo/Katakuri level from what we've seen, but Green Bull is over here wiping out two Yonko commanders simultaneously without breaking a sweat. Keep in mind, Marco could barely keep up with King/Queen before he tired out. And in the past characters like Aokiji and Kizaru could only take on one commander at a time - Jozu and Marco, respectively.
So do you mean to tell me that this man, who could very well be a Yonko due to his strength, just willingly decided to join the marines and become a lacky for the World Government? With his power he must at least be the king of a country or the commander of a great army, so why would he leave all of that behind just to become a working stiff for the government? Do admirals really get that many perks for the work that they do?
If Green Bull wanted power, he could have just become an emperor. If Green Bull wanted justice, he would have joined the marines sooner. If Green Bull was a loner like Mihawk, what could possibly make him change his mind and become an admiral of all things? It makes zero sense for this largely unknown character to exist in One Piece as he does. I hope Oda offers some explanation because otherwise this is just bad writing. Out of all things, you think this is bad writing? This isn't bad writing at all. Admirals were always equal or slightly below yonko.The narrative kept changing regarding admiral power level throughout the years when Oda constantly put admiral on the same level as yonko via narration (don chinjao's quote, Big mom being possible FA, Shanks being strong enough to go "toe to toe" with admiral on SBS. First it was Admiral = Doffy, then it evolved to Admiral = Katakuri, then it evolved to Admiral = First mate, and now that an Admiral says "mere commanders" people are really confused now. Not sure what 2 piece you've been reading. It was in your face all the time, even during marineford when WB was hyped to the max and still got clapped by admirals. People were so brainwashed by anime scenes that they thought admiral = YC2 lmao. When akainu fought WB he always had the upper hand until he got sneaked attacked by blood thirsted WB. Even then, he vaporized part of WB's head and didn't get KO'd. In manga, you see akainu falling to the depths, still conscious enough to dig a hole and pursue luffy. Otherwise, he would've drown in the water. After that, he still faced 14 WB commanders + 2 shichibukai + 2 rev. Hmm, that kinda seems like what Kaido is doing in a era of hyper power inflation.. Admirals were always on the same level as yonkos and I'm glad Oda had that panel of GB mercilessly destroying the beast pirates. Oda is not gonna disrespect the japanese icons he drew, only to get stalled by a subordinate. He's gonna make sure they shine and clash equally with the yonkos. My final thought is that due to Oda's inconsistency and horrid power scaling system, he will make the character as strong as he wants for the story to be interesting. We had Garp on Marineford and that alone should've been enough to beat WB himself. We had 4 admirals + mihawk who would've clapped WB pirates in a heartbeat. But nope, he had to make it interesting and he had to hype the first yonko crew appearance. It was never about power scaling but more about how oda can hype shit up without making sense. I think you're missing the point of my post. It's not to rank powerlevels, but call attention to the fact that characters like Green Bull were essentially created out of nowhere by Oda without reasonable justification. Green Bull isn't like Aokiji, Kizaru, or Akainu, where he joined and progressed through the marines, he was recruited at his current state via the recruitment draft during the timeskip. This means that he was recruited from somewhere, which means that he had to have a life and had to have developed Admiral level fighting skills before he joined. My question is: "where?". Why was he never mentioned and then popped into existence. Surely, a character that could go toe to toe with Yonko would have at least some notoriety. He clearly wasn't a pirate, so was he the general or king of a nation? What would possess such a man to even become an admiral so late in his life when he's powerful enough to run his own empire? It just makes no sense to me. Maybe he did have some notoriety, but I don't think that it really matters that we didn't know about him earlier than we did. Like for example, before Aokiji showed up, we had never heard about him (or admirals, for that matter). Before Akainu was shown at Marineford, the only time we even knew he existed was because of a narrator box in Robin's flashback, and yet he was essentially the strongest man in the Navy (that we know of). Before we met Rayleigh, we didn't even know his name or his legend. We never heard of Magellen prior to Impel Down, despite him being powerful enough to completely overwhelm several Shichibukai and Revolutionary Army Offices at the same time with little difficulty. Pre-time skip, we had never heard of the likes of Katakuri or King either, and they are both apparently very notorious. So given all that, I don't see why its strange we didn't know about Greenbull, or Fujitora for that matter. Before they were introduced, it probably just wasn't relevant information, so it wasn't told to the reader. Why would we need to know about some powerful people on an Island far away from our adventure, doing things that don't relate to our adventure? When they did become relevant, they were either mentioned or shown. As far as motivations go, we know next to nothing about the motivations behind any of the Marines, so Greenbull isn't really any different in that department. There are some we know about to some extent (like Smoker or Coby), but we don't know about Kizaru or Akainu for instance. Thats probably intentional though, and I think we'll eventually find out more eventually. Its not like Oda never elaborates on the pasts of his villains. We do, actually, know the motivations of quite a bit of the marines. They either value their own brand of justice or seek to hunt pirates. All of those character introductions you mentioned happened before the world was really established, and the ones that came later always had some sort of explanation. Once we hit marineford, the One Piece universe basically said: "these are the major players." And if they aren't, where exactly were they? What happened with the Marines during the timeskip would be the equivalent of the Big Mom pirates suddenly revealing that Big Mom had a sister, called Big Aunt. She's just as powerful as Big Mom, and no one has mentioned her before. I guess she kept a low profile. Well now that Big Mom is Big Gone, Big Aunt is here to take over and now they're called the Big Aunt pirates. Oh and Big Aunt has the death death fruit which just fucking kills everyone she looks at. Original character, do not steal. Do you see the issue here? Where the hell was Big Aunt during any of the story for her to just pop into existence like that? Why didn't she have her own pirate crew and why didn't she become an Emperor earlier? Was she just hiding and waiting for Big Mom to die so that she could take over her crew? So, lets just assume your Big Mom analogy actually happened, just for the sake of argument. Which part, pre-time skip, would it have been relevant to explain all of that? Would it have been relevant to start a big Big Aunt exposition dump at Enies Lobby? Maybe when Coby said the Emperors exist (and didn't say anything else about either of their crews), he could have said "oh yea and one of them has a sister named Big Aunt"? Maybe on Thriller Bark, when they say that Gecko Moria lost to Kaido, they could have been "Not only did he lose to Kaido, but Big Mom also has a sister!" Maybe at Marineford when they were about to execute Ace, Sengoku could have been like "Ace is the son of Gold Roger, and also Big Mom has a sister!" The above all sounds ridiculous to me. The subject of who is in Big Mom's crew or how powerful they are simply wasn't relevant to anything that was happening pre-timeskip, so there wasn't any reason to bring it up.
No what I'm pointing out is how it makes no sense for a character like Big Aunt to exist in the first place. If Big Aunt was as powerful as Big Mom, then she would have been an emperor. If Big Aunt had no desire to be a pirate, then she would never take over Big Mom's crew after they lost their captain. If she did take over Big Mom's crew out of some kind of familial obligation to her nieces and nephews then there would be at least some foreshadowing about her existence.
This might not even be the best example because Big Aunt could actually be somewhat forgiven because she has preexisting ties to her sister. However, bringing the conversation back to Green Bull, we know that he was not a Marine since he was recruited during the draft. So he wouldn't even be Big Aunt, he would be Bob Smith the guy who lives in another city but who also happens to be a Yonko level fighter who also doesn't have much going on in his life so that when the Big Mom pirates reach out for him to take over, he jumps at the opportunity. So they're now the Smith pirates led by Bob who's out here soloing Yonko captains and disrupting the new world order.
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On June 19 2022 10:50 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2022 08:07 Sentenal wrote:On June 19 2022 06:01 Hyperbola wrote:On June 18 2022 11:12 Sentenal wrote:On June 18 2022 02:40 Hyperbola wrote:On June 18 2022 02:17 Shinokuki wrote:On June 17 2022 23:05 Hyperbola wrote:
Where exactly did the marines get all these Admirals from? Do they grow on trees? (pun intended)
But seriously, Fujitora was one thing, he didn't really seem all that special and was right around Doflamingo/Katakuri level from what we've seen, but Green Bull is over here wiping out two Yonko commanders simultaneously without breaking a sweat. Keep in mind, Marco could barely keep up with King/Queen before he tired out. And in the past characters like Aokiji and Kizaru could only take on one commander at a time - Jozu and Marco, respectively.
So do you mean to tell me that this man, who could very well be a Yonko due to his strength, just willingly decided to join the marines and become a lacky for the World Government? With his power he must at least be the king of a country or the commander of a great army, so why would he leave all of that behind just to become a working stiff for the government? Do admirals really get that many perks for the work that they do?
If Green Bull wanted power, he could have just become an emperor. If Green Bull wanted justice, he would have joined the marines sooner. If Green Bull was a loner like Mihawk, what could possibly make him change his mind and become an admiral of all things? It makes zero sense for this largely unknown character to exist in One Piece as he does. I hope Oda offers some explanation because otherwise this is just bad writing. Out of all things, you think this is bad writing? This isn't bad writing at all. Admirals were always equal or slightly below yonko.The narrative kept changing regarding admiral power level throughout the years when Oda constantly put admiral on the same level as yonko via narration (don chinjao's quote, Big mom being possible FA, Shanks being strong enough to go "toe to toe" with admiral on SBS. First it was Admiral = Doffy, then it evolved to Admiral = Katakuri, then it evolved to Admiral = First mate, and now that an Admiral says "mere commanders" people are really confused now. Not sure what 2 piece you've been reading. It was in your face all the time, even during marineford when WB was hyped to the max and still got clapped by admirals. People were so brainwashed by anime scenes that they thought admiral = YC2 lmao. When akainu fought WB he always had the upper hand until he got sneaked attacked by blood thirsted WB. Even then, he vaporized part of WB's head and didn't get KO'd. In manga, you see akainu falling to the depths, still conscious enough to dig a hole and pursue luffy. Otherwise, he would've drown in the water. After that, he still faced 14 WB commanders + 2 shichibukai + 2 rev. Hmm, that kinda seems like what Kaido is doing in a era of hyper power inflation.. Admirals were always on the same level as yonkos and I'm glad Oda had that panel of GB mercilessly destroying the beast pirates. Oda is not gonna disrespect the japanese icons he drew, only to get stalled by a subordinate. He's gonna make sure they shine and clash equally with the yonkos. My final thought is that due to Oda's inconsistency and horrid power scaling system, he will make the character as strong as he wants for the story to be interesting. We had Garp on Marineford and that alone should've been enough to beat WB himself. We had 4 admirals + mihawk who would've clapped WB pirates in a heartbeat. But nope, he had to make it interesting and he had to hype the first yonko crew appearance. It was never about power scaling but more about how oda can hype shit up without making sense. I think you're missing the point of my post. It's not to rank powerlevels, but call attention to the fact that characters like Green Bull were essentially created out of nowhere by Oda without reasonable justification. Green Bull isn't like Aokiji, Kizaru, or Akainu, where he joined and progressed through the marines, he was recruited at his current state via the recruitment draft during the timeskip. This means that he was recruited from somewhere, which means that he had to have a life and had to have developed Admiral level fighting skills before he joined. My question is: "where?". Why was he never mentioned and then popped into existence. Surely, a character that could go toe to toe with Yonko would have at least some notoriety. He clearly wasn't a pirate, so was he the general or king of a nation? What would possess such a man to even become an admiral so late in his life when he's powerful enough to run his own empire? It just makes no sense to me. Maybe he did have some notoriety, but I don't think that it really matters that we didn't know about him earlier than we did. Like for example, before Aokiji showed up, we had never heard about him (or admirals, for that matter). Before Akainu was shown at Marineford, the only time we even knew he existed was because of a narrator box in Robin's flashback, and yet he was essentially the strongest man in the Navy (that we know of). Before we met Rayleigh, we didn't even know his name or his legend. We never heard of Magellen prior to Impel Down, despite him being powerful enough to completely overwhelm several Shichibukai and Revolutionary Army Offices at the same time with little difficulty. Pre-time skip, we had never heard of the likes of Katakuri or King either, and they are both apparently very notorious. So given all that, I don't see why its strange we didn't know about Greenbull, or Fujitora for that matter. Before they were introduced, it probably just wasn't relevant information, so it wasn't told to the reader. Why would we need to know about some powerful people on an Island far away from our adventure, doing things that don't relate to our adventure? When they did become relevant, they were either mentioned or shown. As far as motivations go, we know next to nothing about the motivations behind any of the Marines, so Greenbull isn't really any different in that department. There are some we know about to some extent (like Smoker or Coby), but we don't know about Kizaru or Akainu for instance. Thats probably intentional though, and I think we'll eventually find out more eventually. Its not like Oda never elaborates on the pasts of his villains. We do, actually, know the motivations of quite a bit of the marines. They either value their own brand of justice or seek to hunt pirates. All of those character introductions you mentioned happened before the world was really established, and the ones that came later always had some sort of explanation. Once we hit marineford, the One Piece universe basically said: "these are the major players." And if they aren't, where exactly were they? What happened with the Marines during the timeskip would be the equivalent of the Big Mom pirates suddenly revealing that Big Mom had a sister, called Big Aunt. She's just as powerful as Big Mom, and no one has mentioned her before. I guess she kept a low profile. Well now that Big Mom is Big Gone, Big Aunt is here to take over and now they're called the Big Aunt pirates. Oh and Big Aunt has the death death fruit which just fucking kills everyone she looks at. Original character, do not steal. Do you see the issue here? Where the hell was Big Aunt during any of the story for her to just pop into existence like that? Why didn't she have her own pirate crew and why didn't she become an Emperor earlier? Was she just hiding and waiting for Big Mom to die so that she could take over her crew? So, lets just assume your Big Mom analogy actually happened, just for the sake of argument. Which part, pre-time skip, would it have been relevant to explain all of that? Would it have been relevant to start a big Big Aunt exposition dump at Enies Lobby? Maybe when Coby said the Emperors exist (and didn't say anything else about either of their crews), he could have said "oh yea and one of them has a sister named Big Aunt"? Maybe on Thriller Bark, when they say that Gecko Moria lost to Kaido, they could have been "Not only did he lose to Kaido, but Big Mom also has a sister!" Maybe at Marineford when they were about to execute Ace, Sengoku could have been like "Ace is the son of Gold Roger, and also Big Mom has a sister!" The above all sounds ridiculous to me. The subject of who is in Big Mom's crew or how powerful they are simply wasn't relevant to anything that was happening pre-timeskip, so there wasn't any reason to bring it up. No what I'm pointing out is how it makes no sense for a character like Big Aunt to exist in the first place. If Big Aunt was as powerful as Big Mom, then she would have been an emperor. If Big Aunt had no desire to be a pirate, then she would never take over Big Mom's crew after they lost their captain. If she did take over Big Mom's crew out of some kind of familial obligation to her nieces and nephews then there would be at least some foreshadowing about her existence. This might not even be the best example because Big Aunt could actually be somewhat forgiven because she has preexisting ties to her sister. However, bringing the conversation back to Green Bull, we know that he was not a Marine since he was recruited during the draft. So he wouldn't even be Big Aunt, he would be Bob Smith the guy who lives in another city but who also happens to be a Yonko level fighter who also doesn't have much going on in his life so that when the Big Mom pirates reach out for him to take over, he jumps at the opportunity. So they're now the Smith pirates led by Bob who's out here soloing Yonko captains and disrupting the new world order.
I kinda think that Greenbull was able to solo King and Queen from a combination of them being imprisoned in Udon and still injured/recovering from getting defeated. I don't think he'd have been able to so easily have done so otherwise. I just don't think its outrageous that the marines don't have a monopoly on strong people.
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Perhaps it might be more constructive if I give an example as to how to easily fix the Green Bull issue:
Green Bull is no longer some nobody but a former marine. He came up with Aokiji/Kizaru/Akainu but was disgraced and fired when he was a Vice Admiral due to being way too much of a loose cannon. He was clearly powerful but the Marines already had 3 admirals.and he was deemed more trouble than he was worth. Then, after Aokiji quit and Akainu took Sengoku's job, the Marines, desperate for manpower, extended an olive branch to him and offered the position of Admiral, on the grounds that he'll fix up his act, to which he agreed.
This explains everything perfectly: from his Logia devil fruit, to his crazy fighting ability, to his absence/non-mentioning at Marineford, his not being a Yonko, his willingness to suddenly join up with the Marines after Marineford, and his respect for and desire to please his boss Akainu. In fact, it's so obvious of a solution that Oda has already done this before multiple times. Who's Who is the perfect example, except he got a bad ending of ending up a pirate. Same with Shiryu and same with Zephyr - but he's not really canon. However, I doubt Oda will go this route since Green Bull appears nowhere in any marine flashback, including strong world, so it's likely that he's entirely unrelated. Hopefully Oda will at least cook something up to justify his existence.
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On June 19 2022 09:46 cLutZ wrote:
I'd add that while we've seen some islands with comically weak armies (Alabasta) other places had something respectable like the Happo navy, and the Wano scabbards. Two beefed up Kinemons just sitting around doesn't seem so odd. And bounty hunters remain under-explored.
Really if you are nitpicking One Piece, the real confusing part is how weak the Nefatari and Ryugu royal guards are.
Peaceful countries/armies rarely ever have big guns?
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In real life the most peaceful countries in the world have nuclear weapons and powerful militaries. The ones wracked with violence are running around with converted Toyata trucks. Green Bull seemed to have no real background other than world draft. I would say I would expect his details to be fleshed out, but we still have no idea of Fujitora's background after all this time either.
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There seems to be some sort of expectation in this thread where Oda has to explain everything immediately or then it's just shit writing. Yeah, I didn't enjoy Wano as much as I was expecting and it feels like he's dropped the ball a little bit. But as an author he doesn't owe you jack shit. I'd say he has to be pretty economical with his backstory and exposition panels now that we're in the endgame since so many things are moving.
About the Green Bull powerlevel, from what has been shown so far can be attributed to both commanders still recovering from their wounds. King doesn't have his sword either. Marines are a hierachical organization where there can be only three admirals, it makes sense that there's plenty of talented people waiting for their chance. And I don't know how Devil Fruits are administered in the Marines, I'm betting they're distributed somehow instead of said people just bumbling into them during their tenure.
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On June 20 2022 00:40 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
In real life the most peaceful countries in the world have nuclear weapons and powerful militaries. The ones wracked with violence are running around with converted Toyata trucks. Green Bull seemed to have no real background other than world draft. I would say I would expect his details to be fleshed out, but we still have no idea of Fujitora's background after all this time either.
What peaceful country in the real world has nukes?
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On June 20 2022 02:10 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2022 00:40 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
In real life the most peaceful countries in the world have nuclear weapons and powerful militaries. The ones wracked with violence are running around with converted Toyata trucks. Green Bull seemed to have no real background other than world draft. I would say I would expect his details to be fleshed out, but we still have no idea of Fujitora's background after all this time either. What peaceful country in the real world has nukes?
North Korea
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Mihawk exists as a good example of an uber-powerful type who exists in a low key fashion. Dude hangs around and drinks at his castle, sails alone on the sea not really aiming for anything in particular, hes not a raucous party person, he doesn't really interfere with anything and only seems to really value the opportunity to fight strong swordsmen.
Theres no reason to think that in a huge military draft they couldnt find a few like him, people who developed great strength but weren't egomaniacal psychopaths, or treasure hungry lunatics, or uber violent sadists. We don't need a list of all of the uber strong types immediately presented to us, some people are just low key, some are hermetic, some we just havent had a reason to actually know anything about.
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It would be weird to me that in the huge ass world of OP that there isn't impressive fighters that the marines could have drawn from. Does Oda have to list every freaking powerful person in the world and their locations? Green Bull's personality really seems like he cba to flex his power to gain fame/attention so he could have just been a country bumpkin resting on his OP strength to cruise through life before the marines found him. There is any number of reasons why. Oda doesn't have to come up with every little detail. Do we know ANY other Admiral's backstory outside of some from Kuzan and that one time Akainu was a dick during the buster call. Do we know anything about Kizaru?
Point is the world is a big place and there are doubtless other super strong people just walking around that we don't know about. That is the whole freaking point of the manga... to explore and discover the world and the people in it. OP doesn't have the internet where information about every nation and prominent people can be found in 5 min of internet research.
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On June 20 2022 00:40 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
In real life the most peaceful countries in the world have nuclear weapons and powerful militaries. The ones wracked with violence are running around with converted Toyata trucks. Green Bull seemed to have no real background other than world draft. I would say I would expect his details to be fleshed out, but we still have no idea of Fujitora's background after all this time either.
Si vis pacem, para bellum. Except that quote stems from one of the most militaristic nations in history and f.e. Switzerland has neither a sizeable military nor a nuclear warhead and has been at peace since world war two. Generally the best condition for peace is to have normal relations with normal neighbors.
But I agree that nukes tend to work as a deterrent, I just don't think a big military does. A bit military just leads to tension in the region and eventually one side asks themselves how they get anything out of all that spending. Obviously if you're threatened anyways like f.e. Israel you don't really have a choice.
On the green bull discussion: This is the second chapter with him, I don't really think we can expect some massive background on the guy. Like others said admirals never had a ton of background anyways.
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We'll probably wind up with some backstory on Ryokugyu and Fujitora if/when we get information about the draft, probably when/if Fujitora turns against the World Government and we get a "This is not what I signed up for!" backstory lore drop.
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On June 20 2022 11:28 Zambrah wrote:
We'll probably wind up with some backstory on Ryokugyu and Fujitora if/when we get information about the draft, probably when/if Fujitora turns against the World Government and we get a "This is not what I signed up for!" backstory lore drop.
I sincerely hope so. Otherwise, I'd be worried that Oda would conjure up more Yonko level characters for the Straw Hats to fight and this series would go on for another 20 years.
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On June 20 2022 12:37 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2022 11:28 Zambrah wrote:
We'll probably wind up with some backstory on Ryokugyu and Fujitora if/when we get information about the draft, probably when/if Fujitora turns against the World Government and we get a "This is not what I signed up for!" backstory lore drop. I sincerely hope so. Otherwise, I'd be worried that Oda would conjure up more Yonko level characters for the Straw Hats to fight and this series would go on for another 20 years.
Probably like this so called WB son? Would like to see him again in the near future
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