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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On June 20 2022 02:10 sharkie wrote: All of them? No nuclear country fears invasion, is currently undergoing a civil war, some sort of military violence or low intensity conflict within their territories, except on their own terms in the case of Isreal. Except North Korea perhaps, but it has a grand total of about 1 very tiny nuclear weapon.What peaceful country in the real world has nukes? On June 20 2022 11:17 Archeon wrote: Historically the birth of Switzerland from a random collection of minor Holy Roman Empire states was the birth of the reign of utter dominace of Swiss infantry and Swiss mercenaries over Europe for essentially the next 200 or so years, and thereafter was militarily backed by both France and the Vatican state, so you'll have to be mad to invade Switzerland whose lands will give little comparitively to the power you have to face.Si vis pacem, para bellum. Except that quote stems from one of the most militaristic nations in history and f.e. Switzerland has neither a sizeable military nor a nuclear warhead and has been at peace since world war two. Generally the best condition for peace is to have normal relations with normal neighbors. But I agree that nukes tend to work as a deterrent, I just don't think a big military does. A bit military just leads to tension in the region and eventually one side asks themselves how they get anything out of all that spending. Obviously if you're threatened anyways like f.e. Israel you don't really have a choice. On the green bull discussion: This is the second chapter with him, I don't really think we can expect some massive background on the guy. Like others said admirals never had a ton of background anyways. It's amazing how you guys will shit on history and reality because you want to shit on Clutz. Shit on Clutz all you want, don't make light of history. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18760 Posts
On June 21 2022 03:31 Dangermousecatdog wrote: All of them? No nuclear country fears invasion, is currently undergoing a civil war, some sort of military violence or low intensity conflict within their territories, except on their own terms in the case of Isreal. Except North Korea perhaps, but it has a grand total of about 1 very tiny nuclear weapon. USA, China, Russia, India, France are all peaceful countries for you? lol | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 19 2022 17:44 sharkie wrote: Peaceful countries/armies rarely ever have big guns? Fishman isle was never peaceful. It was super violent for all of the pirate era until WB extended his protection to it. I don't see any reason Alabasta was peaceful either considering how Crocodile was considered such a hero as a Warlord who took out lots of pirates. Logically, the royal guards of both should have been at least Vice Admiral level. Obviously for the story that wouldn't work for Alabasta, but Fishman Isle basically needing Jinbe for protection makes no sense. Their royal guard should have 3-4 mini-Jinbes already | ||
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Archeon
3273 Posts
On June 21 2022 03:31 Dangermousecatdog wrote: All of them? No nuclear country fears invasion, is currently undergoing a civil war, some sort of military violence or low intensity conflict within their territories, except on their own terms in the case of Isreal. Except North Korea perhaps, but it has a grand total of about 1 very tiny nuclear weapon. Historically the birth of Switzerland from a random collection of minor Holy Roman Empire states was the birth of the reign of utter dominace of Swiss infantry and Swiss mercenaries over Europe for essentially the next 200 or so years, and thereafter was militarily backed by both France and the Vatican state, so you'll have to be mad to invade Switzerland whose lands will give little comparitively to the power you have to face. It's amazing how you guys will shit on history and reality because you want to shit on Clutz. Shit on Clutz all you want, don't make light of history. Swiss mercenaries were well renowned in the 16th and 17th century for sure, but since we were talking about nukes I presumed we were talking about the recent past, in which Switzerland has barely had any military to speak of. Mainly because it's surrounded by nations that have little interest in invading. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2554 Posts
To draw an example from current events, just look at Ukraine. A few decades ago, the leadership of Ukraine made the absurdly idiotic decision to give away all of its nukes to Russia in exchange for written security guarantees and a firm handshake. Now, 30 years later, they are paying for their mistake in blood. Russia, on the other hand, has held on to the largest nuclear supply in the world and will never get rid of them. Why? Because the second that Russia loses its nukes it knows that it becomes a target for basically everyone: China, Europe, Turkey, the Middle East, and, of course, the USA. It would be the same thing as Totto Land losing Big Mom, which, to be fair, is still yet to be confirmed. But look what happens when she leaves for a only a few days: the Germa are already destroying her territory. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18760 Posts
On June 21 2022 22:31 Hyperbola wrote: Nukes are an interesting analogy. Powerful fighters like Yonko and Admirals are the One Piece equivalent of nukes. The great powers with the most stability are essentially built around them. A country or pirate crew would never attack a "great power" in One Piece due to the presence of a powerful fighter because they know he will annihilate their army. This results in creating a stable political climate in an otherwise absurdly chaotic world. This is why Yonkos dying or Admirals resigning creates massive problems for the entire One Piece world. To draw an example from current events, just look at Ukraine. A few decades ago, the leadership of Ukraine made the absurdly idiotic decision to give away all of its nukes to Russia in exchange for written security guarantees and a firm handshake. Now, 30 years later, they are paying for their mistake in blood. Russia, on the other hand, has held on to the largest nuclear supply in the world and will never get rid of them. Why? Because the second that Russia loses its nukes it knows that it becomes a target for basically everyone: China, Europe, Turkey, the Middle East, and, of course, the USA. It would be the same thing as Totto Land losing Big Mom, which, to be fair, is still yet to be confirmed. But look what happens when she leaves for a only a few days: the Germa are already destroying her territory. So much wrong in one post wow! | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On June 21 2022 04:14 sharkie wrote: Yes of course they are, compared to the rest of the world, and definitely compared to the rest of history. None of these countries are suffering from a constant low level military violence acting across their society endemic across the central Americas or the Sahel of Africa no matter how much headlines might want to suggest otherwise. USA, China, Russia, India, France are all peaceful countries for you? lol This is just a case of you finding any excuse being shitty to people over One Piece, not a case of you having some amazing insight into world history and political trends. Which by the way, shouldn't matter at all to the One Piece universe. It really doesn't make much sense within the One Piece universe how weak the Alabasta/Nefertiti army is, since in One Piece anybody weak seems to be constantly taken over by far stronger pirates, (though I guess it could be said that the very many and very big guns that the Marines are, were going to intevene at some point but were late) and it doubly doesn't make sense to throw some fake real world logic into One Piece universe either. You could had tried making some sort of polite and reasonable argument to Clutz and Hyperbola, but instead you rather just make a series of repeated one liners in a dimissive tone. Or like you say, so much in one post Sharkie, wow! See I can do it too if I like. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18760 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On June 24 2022 00:15 sharkie wrote: I am not going to discuss politics in a One Piece thread o.o Yet you was the one you who started it. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
Are roger's panels from 1053.1 road to laugh tale new or just collection of depictions we have seen already? It's a quite good "documentary" that made me appreciate the principle of One piece that I got attached to some 20 years ago. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 28 2022 23:19 PVJ wrote: I read the manga chapter by chapter but I'm not really following anything outside of that like SBS and etc. Are roger's panels from 1053.1 road to laugh tale new or just collection of depictions we have seen already? It's a quite good "documentary" that made me appreciate the principle of One piece that I got attached to some 20 years ago. I think I've seen it all before when it comes to each panel. But its super nice to have in one place like that. Also I think some of the exact timeline was less clear | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2554 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Looks like we're setting up a Sabo and Akainu rivalry and also a Shanks and Luffy rivalry, surprising as that is. That is, unless Blackbeard kills Shanks before he claims One Piece. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8928 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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herMan
Japan2057 Posts
I'm fairly sure the rebels didn't kill the king, in this world good guys don't kill good guys. Lots to unpack in the following chapters. | ||
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goody153
44306 Posts
Now i am more curious how Oda will actually make it look realistic on how the marines actually held ground against everybody. I wonder how he will show if the Admirals are actually pushovers or not. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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PVJ
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