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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

If an episode or a chapter has already been officially released, then it is not necessary to post using spoilers.

If you have knowledge on a chapter that has not been officially released yet, do NOT post it in this thread. Ignoring this public note will result in a mod action.
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
July 24 2022 21:04 GMT
#32321
Looks like Oda is gearing up to accelerate the storyline. In the recent interview, he said he wants to end One piece in 3 years. Well if Oda wants to do that he needs to stop drawing useless panels like townspeople's reaction shots and adding characters. He needs to focus on the main parts now. I don't know why he decided to waste 5 years on Wano only to end one piece in 3 years. He wasted so much potential for what we all waited for. Let's hope he takes it to the end and refocus.
Life is just life
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 25 2022 11:33 GMT
#32322
Shanks meets Luffy on laugh tale and says the one piece is really the friends we made along the way
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Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2540 Posts
July 25 2022 11:45 GMT
#32323
On July 24 2022 21:55 PVJ wrote:
It makes sense that Shanks wants to meet Luffy on Laugh tale. They will beat Teach and then look at the one piece together in the end. Hasn't this been the default theory on how the story ends for the longest time?

Do you seriously think Luffy will beat the main villain of the story before he even finds One Piece? And that Shanks will somehow survive? No way. The default theory has always been that Shanks dies to Blackbeard and Luffy avenges his death, with BB being the final villain of the manga.
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herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2053 Posts
July 25 2022 17:21 GMT
#32324
Absolutely no way One Piece will end in three years. The author will just get bogged down by something else. Hasn't he made such absurd forecasts in the past?
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 25 2022 18:18 GMT
#32325
He’s said “end in X years” multiple times and we’ve passed those deadlines before. Don’t think oda really knows how long it will take to tell the rest til we get pretty close. This is the last saga but the recent sagas have all lasted years
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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-25 22:56:19
July 25 2022 22:49 GMT
#32326
On July 25 2022 20:45 Hyperbola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2022 21:55 PVJ wrote:
It makes sense that Shanks wants to meet Luffy on Laugh tale. They will beat Teach and then look at the one piece together in the end. Hasn't this been the default theory on how the story ends for the longest time?

Do you seriously think Luffy will beat the main villain of the story before he even finds One Piece? And that Shanks will somehow survive? No way. The default theory has always been that Shanks dies to Blackbeard and Luffy avenges his death, with BB being the final villain of the manga.

Yes. One piece is a treasure. You usually get treasures after defeating someone. And to make a nicely framed story the setup should be similar to the beginning, that's what makes me think Shanks will be there.

Why do you say no way, that's a harsh indictment. Maybe there is a chance. I found your combative style weird was it aimed at me? Did you find my comment dumb to respond by a try of belittlement? Even if you are the one true arbiter of one piece truth I wouldn't want to hear it from you.
The heart's eternal vow
CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
539 Posts
July 26 2022 00:27 GMT
#32327
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JAEDONG...!!! EFFORT IS ANGRY. ZERG...?!
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
July 27 2022 01:14 GMT
#32328
absolutely furious how oda decided to waste ~10 years on scabbards and now he wants to spend only 3 years on void century, shanks ,akainu, and bb. Screw these goddamn ugly ass fodder looking scabbards no one givea s shit about
Life is just life
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8711 Posts
July 27 2022 03:25 GMT
#32329
the above posts literally just said that oda is most likely not going to end op in 3 years
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3260 Posts
July 27 2022 08:57 GMT
#32330
Yeah didn't he plan Wano to be three years long too? I'd assume that he has an arc of similar length for us in store.
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Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
July 27 2022 09:35 GMT
#32331
On July 27 2022 10:14 Shinokuki wrote:
absolutely furious how oda decided to waste ~10 years on scabbards and now he wants to spend only 3 years on void century, shanks ,akainu, and bb. Screw these goddamn ugly ass fodder looking scabbards no one givea s shit about

those 10 years were Punk Hazard, Dressrosa, Zou, Whole Cake Island, Reverie & finally Wano. How was that 10 years on the scabbards, what kind of shit are you saying again?
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Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
July 27 2022 15:15 GMT
#32332
On July 27 2022 18:35 Yhamm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2022 10:14 Shinokuki wrote:
absolutely furious how oda decided to waste ~10 years on scabbards and now he wants to spend only 3 years on void century, shanks ,akainu, and bb. Screw these goddamn ugly ass fodder looking scabbards no one givea s shit about

those 10 years were Punk Hazard, Dressrosa, Zou, Whole Cake Island, Reverie & finally Wano. How was that 10 years on the scabbards, what kind of shit are you saying again?


What shit am i saying? There were so many panels wasted on not only scabbards but also citizen's reaction shots, tontattas, Raijo vs that bald guy, pointless tension, and rebecca. We wasted 10 years on these pathetic arcs which is why one piece sales declined so much. Open your eyes man. You really think 10 years of Punk hazard, dress rosa, zou, WCI, Wano were worth it? It was mediocre and it SHOULD be critized with the fact that we're not spending 10 years of time on void century, shanks, bb, final war. It should've been flipped. Oda literally told people he added 9 scabbards instead of his original plan to add 4. Can you even name all 9 scabbards? Last time I saw, no one gave a shat about them.
Life is just life
CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
539 Posts
July 27 2022 17:05 GMT
#32333
I don’t think one piece is for you if you dislike a lot of characters and settings.
JAEDONG...!!! EFFORT IS ANGRY. ZERG...?!
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
July 27 2022 21:14 GMT
#32334
On July 28 2022 02:05 CHEONSOYUN wrote:
I don’t think one piece is for you if you dislike a lot of characters and settings.


Ahh the typical response of when someone is criticizing something. I enjoyed one piece up to dressrosa and it just became so apparent when Oda tried to make each arc as grand as he can. That led to huge decline in quality and was clear that Oda was gonna use hype to keep bringing in sales. How dissapointing was the fall of 2 yonkos? Admit it dawg. You know one piece declined. Idk why we just worship it without even criticizing.

If RIOT was like ok we'll spend majority of our time on diamond league players for 90 mins of a 100 min tournament instead of focusing on Faker what would people respond? Why is it ok for us to be ok with Oda literally spending so many chapters on crews running around, pointless reaction shots, and fake out deaths?
Life is just life
CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
539 Posts
July 27 2022 23:25 GMT
#32335
you’re not being critical. you’re just whining about how much you don’t like what’s been released without offering anything but conjecture.

the plot threads you desperately want answered have been vaguely hinted at for literally decades (since probably Drum Kingdom) while Oda has done so many arcs with so many characters and subplots that we’ve enjoyed while the story progresses. if it is that painful for you to have to see so many “pointless characters” and so many scenes that you don’t appreciate then I highly suggest not reading the manga then because you’re going to get a lot of those when you read own piece.
JAEDONG...!!! EFFORT IS ANGRY. ZERG...?!
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
July 27 2022 23:53 GMT
#32336
It's about the journey, not the destination. Luffy would literally yell at you for not enjoying the experience getting there and to stop telling him to hurry up and get to Laugh Tale.

It is crazy we've gone 10years since the beginning of the Dressrosa but who cares. It's been a great story overall and I enjoyed seeing all the new stuff.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
July 28 2022 04:42 GMT
#32337
On July 28 2022 08:25 CHEONSOYUN wrote:
you’re not being critical. you’re just whining about how much you don’t like what’s been released without offering anything but conjecture.

the plot threads you desperately want answered have been vaguely hinted at for literally decades (since probably Drum Kingdom) while Oda has done so many arcs with so many characters and subplots that we’ve enjoyed while the story progresses. if it is that painful for you to have to see so many “pointless characters” and so many scenes that you don’t appreciate then I highly suggest not reading the manga then because you’re going to get a lot of those when you read own piece.


No one is enjoying these subplots except hardcore fans. He got complaints and literally said in interview that he's not gonna write for his fans but for his own entertainment. One piece peaked in MF when MF was literally 20 chapters long. Meanwhile Wano tanked so hard and some people joked if oda replacement was writing the story. Bro when you say plot threads have been hinted. Oda literally just uses these hints as hype tools and revistis 400 chapters later. Oda is a writer who prioritizes hype first and then tries to figure shit out later. It became apparent when Oda was like a punch won't be a satisfying defeat for kaido. Well Luffy just punched him and defeated him. Oda got no detailed plan and he knows he doesn't have to plan shit out because he doesn't have his own rules/structure to follow. Oda fans will gladly praise him and say GODAOMG!! Literally casual readers dropped it and keep chiming in to ask me what happened in one piece. They just shake their heads in disbelief when I tell them Luffy now defeated kaido after dying 4x. They're like sheesh one piece is just utter trash now.
Life is just life
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24420 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-28 07:03:04
July 28 2022 07:02 GMT
#32338
You're not criticizing, you're whining, and you have done so for a long time. Might I suggest you drop the series or at least stop posting about it if you dislike it so much now? It has absolutely no effect other than annoying people who still enjoy it.
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Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3260 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-28 09:37:52
July 28 2022 09:09 GMT
#32339
While I think that Shinokuki is overexaggerating, I do agree that the arcs feel bloated to me and I struggle to name 4 scabbards tbh. I think Wano had good characters and subplots too, I liked f.e. the laughing governor and the old Yakuza boss, but overall I think I've forgotten the majority of backstories because there were just too many of them to really care. I think Oda does arcs with say ten to fifteen relevant characters much better than arcs with 30 and I enjoyed the story more when it was more about the journey with a lot of smaller separate plotlines than the ones where we cram them all into one arc.

To some extend I felt this way about Dressrosa and cake island already, but Wano increased the size again and honestly I think that takes away of each subplot.
low gravity, yes-yes!
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2053 Posts
July 28 2022 15:25 GMT
#32340
The bloat is real, can't deny it. The rest of the "arguments" are just subjective speculation, won't comment on that further.

There has been some criticism in this thread during the years, however at least for me I'm enjoying the manga even though it does have shortcomings. I feel most of the disappointment comes from the fact that the manga peaked a long time ago and naturally can't keep it's quality on that level all the time. Compared to other titles, such as Bleach and Naruto, Oda has done a hell of a job considering it's been 25 years.
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