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On June 10 2013 13:18 Sub40APM wrote:
Is there any reason at all that they spent the last 5 minutes of the show on absolutely nothing but against reaffirming how magically awesome Danyris is (oh thats right, GRMM systematically murders anyone who looks like a good guy so it would have been 'too dark' to just end the show without a meaningless high note) ? She is obnoxious enough (I have no memory of WEsteros but I must reconquer it in blood because something something stormborn!) as she is but what was the point, were the slaves not going to follow someone who has the only army that wouldnt want to re-enslave her? Could have used those 5 minutes to give us some of Littlefinger or Bronn instead.
The fact that you choose to ignore Daenerys' motives for wanting to conquer Westeros does not magically mean she has none. Maybe re-watch the seasons and pay attention to the backstory if you missed it somehow. She grew up with her brother, constantly hearing from him about how the kingdom is rightfully theirs and how the people want them back in control, how the "usurpers" murdered her whole family (all she has left is her douche brother, and her life sucks because of it), and to boot, those same usurpers try to have her assassinated.
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On June 10 2013 13:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Hopefully next season they focus more on The Night's Watch, Tywin/Tyrion, and of course the Onion Knight 
You didn't say Ayra or Dany? But those are show favorites! >:0
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But in general, the episode was not what I expected. Weaker then I had hoped. Theon Reek, Ayra, and Tywin/Tyrion scene were the highlights, as well as.
Surprised that they included so much Davos in this finale. Stannis portrayal didn't make me the happiest camper, but that's all I'll say about that. All in all, they set up a helluva lot of exposition and resolution for next season.
Now then, 10 months for the next season. Enjoy the wait! : ramsaybolton :
Also:
"YUH NO NUTHIN JUN SNUH!"
"I do know something..."
"LIES" *shoots with arrows*
: walderheh :
I'm sorry, I shouldn't make so much light of what was a heartwrenching scene.
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On June 10 2013 12:16 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Poorest episode of the season. I can't think of any other episode that could contend for the title.
I thought the first episode of this season was pretty terrible. I think thats my least favorite. Or all of season 2
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Yeah the ending was a bit underwhelming, I think they should have ended with Stannis planning heading north and built that up a bit. And the whole warning all of the realm about the white walkers seemed a bit underplayed. Would have made for a more epic ending rather than Danaerys making more friends.
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As I said in the spoilers thread it seemed as if the actress playing Khaleesi no longer is trying just acting out her scenes to be done with them.
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great episode but I agree the last scene lacked the same sort of power we got from last scenes from season 1/2. We peaced out with Dragons and White Walkers so far, this year we were left with Dany riding a people wave...not terrible but not that gripping.
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On June 10 2013 13:26 GwSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 13:18 Sub40APM wrote:
Is there any reason at all that they spent the last 5 minutes of the show on absolutely nothing but against reaffirming how magically awesome Danyris is (oh thats right, GRMM systematically murders anyone who looks like a good guy so it would have been 'too dark' to just end the show without a meaningless high note) ? She is obnoxious enough (I have no memory of WEsteros but I must reconquer it in blood because something something stormborn!) as she is but what was the point, were the slaves not going to follow someone who has the only army that wouldnt want to re-enslave her? Could have used those 5 minutes to give us some of Littlefinger or Bronn instead. The fact that you choose to ignore Daenerys' motives for wanting to conquer Westeros does not magically mean she has none. Maybe re-watch the seasons and pay attention to the backstory if you missed it somehow. She grew up with her brother, constantly hearing from him about how the kingdom is rightfully theirs and how the people want them back in control, how the "usurpers" murdered her whole family (all she has left is her douche brother, and her life sucks because of it), and to boot, those same usurpers try to have her assassinated.
Ya, and that seems really believable for a pragmatic yet naive character like hers. The one thing that she inherits from her brother is an obsession with revenge.
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On June 10 2013 13:29 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 13:26 GwSC wrote:On June 10 2013 13:18 Sub40APM wrote:
Is there any reason at all that they spent the last 5 minutes of the show on absolutely nothing but against reaffirming how magically awesome Danyris is (oh thats right, GRMM systematically murders anyone who looks like a good guy so it would have been 'too dark' to just end the show without a meaningless high note) ? She is obnoxious enough (I have no memory of WEsteros but I must reconquer it in blood because something something stormborn!) as she is but what was the point, were the slaves not going to follow someone who has the only army that wouldnt want to re-enslave her? Could have used those 5 minutes to give us some of Littlefinger or Bronn instead. The fact that you choose to ignore Daenerys' motives for wanting to conquer Westeros does not magically mean she has none. Maybe re-watch the seasons and pay attention to the backstory if you missed it somehow. She grew up with her brother, constantly hearing from him about how the kingdom is rightfully theirs and how the people want them back in control, how the "usurpers" murdered her whole family (all she has left is her douche brother, and her life sucks because of it), and to boot, those same usurpers try to have her assassinated. Ya, and that seems really believable for a pragmatic yet naive character like hers. The one thing that she inherits from her brother is an obsession with revenge.
Yep, conveniently ignore the other motives I laid out. She has been led to believe her whole life that Westeros wants a Targaryen on the throne and that it is rightfully hers. Is it that hard to believe that in combination with thinking she would be doing the righteous thing by the people by returning, revenge would be a suitable motive to return?
I mean, they constantly reinforce throughout the series that she firmly believes she has a birthright to rule. It's clearly not just revenge.
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Someone mentioned how season 1 starts in ice, ends in fire (/heat). Season 2 starts with fire (/heat), ends with ice. Season 3 starts in ice, and following the trend would end up somewhere hot. Unless the fires from Lord of Light qualified I guess they had to end in Yunkai, as lame as it was.
(What, she destroyed a city's political system and freed all the slaves. Is she going to have them tag along her army and clothe/feed them? More like...ok you're "free", now have fun not finding any jobs or ways to feed yourselves in this devastated city.)
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On June 10 2013 13:28 LuckyFool wrote:
great episode but I agree the last scene lacked the same sort of power we got from last scenes from season 1/2. We peaced out with Dragons and White Walkers so far, this year we were left with Dany riding a people wave...not terrible but not that gripping.
Fool, don't you grasp the implications of that scene?
Dany invented moshing! Don't you understand????
:o
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On June 10 2013 13:32 GwSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 13:29 Sub40APM wrote:On June 10 2013 13:26 GwSC wrote:On June 10 2013 13:18 Sub40APM wrote:
Is there any reason at all that they spent the last 5 minutes of the show on absolutely nothing but against reaffirming how magically awesome Danyris is (oh thats right, GRMM systematically murders anyone who looks like a good guy so it would have been 'too dark' to just end the show without a meaningless high note) ? She is obnoxious enough (I have no memory of WEsteros but I must reconquer it in blood because something something stormborn!) as she is but what was the point, were the slaves not going to follow someone who has the only army that wouldnt want to re-enslave her? Could have used those 5 minutes to give us some of Littlefinger or Bronn instead. The fact that you choose to ignore Daenerys' motives for wanting to conquer Westeros does not magically mean she has none. Maybe re-watch the seasons and pay attention to the backstory if you missed it somehow. She grew up with her brother, constantly hearing from him about how the kingdom is rightfully theirs and how the people want them back in control, how the "usurpers" murdered her whole family (all she has left is her douche brother, and her life sucks because of it), and to boot, those same usurpers try to have her assassinated. Ya, and that seems really believable for a pragmatic yet naive character like hers. The one thing that she inherits from her brother is an obsession with revenge. Yep, conveniently ignore the other motives I laid out. She has been led to believe her whole life that Westeros wants a Targaryen on the throne and that it is rightfully hers. Is it that hard to believe that in combination with thinking she would be doing the righteous thing by the people by returning, revenge would be a suitable motive to return?
Yes it is. Her entire life was filled with fear. Now she has a giant army, three dragons and two cities, and an entire continent between her and Westeros and so no fear. But still, she must conquer some distant place and kill a bunch of people who dont care about her at all because revenge and justice demand it.
Including her story arc just drags us away from all the actions in Westeros, she has literally 0 impact on anyone in Westeros and the only payoff might be that in another 3 seasons they can get a CGI shot of 3 dragons killing a bunch of zombies. And for that hours of footage has to be inserted and infinitely better characters get way less time. I want more Mace-Ceaser, I want more Bronn-trolling-douchebag-knights, I want more littlefinger-hitler, I want way more Tyrion-Tywin and more Lady Oleanna. All sacrificed so we can see cgi dragons, a naive blonde, a dude in a friendzone and now a surfer brah who got lost looking for the best surfgrounds in California and ended up being a warlord or whatever.
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On June 10 2013 13:38 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 13:32 GwSC wrote:On June 10 2013 13:29 Sub40APM wrote:On June 10 2013 13:26 GwSC wrote:On June 10 2013 13:18 Sub40APM wrote:
Is there any reason at all that they spent the last 5 minutes of the show on absolutely nothing but against reaffirming how magically awesome Danyris is (oh thats right, GRMM systematically murders anyone who looks like a good guy so it would have been 'too dark' to just end the show without a meaningless high note) ? She is obnoxious enough (I have no memory of WEsteros but I must reconquer it in blood because something something stormborn!) as she is but what was the point, were the slaves not going to follow someone who has the only army that wouldnt want to re-enslave her? Could have used those 5 minutes to give us some of Littlefinger or Bronn instead. The fact that you choose to ignore Daenerys' motives for wanting to conquer Westeros does not magically mean she has none. Maybe re-watch the seasons and pay attention to the backstory if you missed it somehow. She grew up with her brother, constantly hearing from him about how the kingdom is rightfully theirs and how the people want them back in control, how the "usurpers" murdered her whole family (all she has left is her douche brother, and her life sucks because of it), and to boot, those same usurpers try to have her assassinated. Ya, and that seems really believable for a pragmatic yet naive character like hers. The one thing that she inherits from her brother is an obsession with revenge. Yep, conveniently ignore the other motives I laid out. She has been led to believe her whole life that Westeros wants a Targaryen on the throne and that it is rightfully hers. Is it that hard to believe that in combination with thinking she would be doing the righteous thing by the people by returning, revenge would be a suitable motive to return? Yes it is. Her entire life was filled with fear. Now she has a giant army, three dragons and two cities, and an entire continent between her and Westeros and so no fear. But still, she must conquer some distant place and kill a bunch of people who dont care about her at all because revenge and justice demand it. Including her story arc just drags us away from all the actions in Westeros, she has literally 0 impact on anyone in Westeros and the only payoff might be that in another 3 seasons they can get a CGI shot of 3 dragons killing a bunch of zombies. And for that hours of footage has to be inserted.
Well apparently if we look at her character, her reaction to being in fear her whole life is anger and generally less than positive feelings towards those who caused it. Yeah, completely unbelievable, right.
Anyway, I will settle for getting you to admit that she actually does have motives, even if you claim they are not believable.
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Can believe Ygritte did that, what a cunt. I hope John gets to return the favor.
Episode was Ok, More of just a forshadowing of next season. Hopefully it doesnt take forever again.
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On June 10 2013 13:46 Darpa wrote:
Can believe Ygritte did that, what a cunt. I hope John gets to return the favor.
Episode was Ok, More of just a forshadowing of next season. Hopefully it doesnt take forever again.
Well, she did promise to cut off his balls and his pretty cock if he betrayed her. :p
Sometimes, love hurts. Alot.
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On June 10 2013 13:46 Darpa wrote:
Can believe Ygritte did that, what a cunt. I hope John gets to return the favor.
Episode was Ok, More of just a forshadowing of next season. Hopefully it doesnt take forever again.
I think she did him a favor, that way he looks like he fought the Wildlings instead of looking like a deserter. Pretty sure she is a good enough shot to have been able to put that arrow in his forehead if she wanted to.
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Anyone knows how long I have to wait for next season?!
EDIT: And by "I" I mean, "we".
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On June 10 2013 13:50 Ghostcom wrote:
Anyone knows how long I have to wait for next season?!
EDIT: And by "I" I mean, "we".
9 months from what I read in an earlier post
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On June 10 2013 13:51 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 13:50 Ghostcom wrote:
Anyone knows how long I have to wait for next season?!
EDIT: And by "I" I mean, "we". 9 months from what I read in an earlier post
Thanks - I'll need to come up with something new to do sunday evenings it seems. /sadpanda
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On June 10 2013 13:50 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 13:46 Darpa wrote:
Can believe Ygritte did that, what a cunt. I hope John gets to return the favor.
Episode was Ok, More of just a forshadowing of next season. Hopefully it doesnt take forever again. I think she did him a favor, that way he looks like he fought the Wildlings instead of looking like a deserter. Pretty sure she is a good enough shot to have been able to put that arrow in his forehead if she wanted to.
Ok, now that is an interesting interpretation.
And I'm sure catharsis and heartache had nothing to do with it. :p
On June 10 2013 13:51 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 13:50 Ghostcom wrote:
Anyone knows how long I have to wait for next season?!
EDIT: And by "I" I mean, "we". 9 months from what I read in an earlier post
Fortunately standard time, not GRRM time. Otherwise, you'dve been looking at 4-5 years.
On June 10 2013 13:55 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 13:51 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 10 2013 13:50 Ghostcom wrote:
Anyone knows how long I have to wait for next season?!
EDIT: And by "I" I mean, "we". 9 months from what I read in an earlier post Thanks - I'll need to come up with something new to do sunday evenings it seems. /sadpanda
Books? :p
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On June 10 2013 13:50 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 13:46 Darpa wrote:
Can believe Ygritte did that, what a cunt. I hope John gets to return the favor.
Episode was Ok, More of just a forshadowing of next season. Hopefully it doesnt take forever again. I think she did him a favor, that way he looks like he fought the Wildlings instead of looking like a deserter. Pretty sure she is a good enough shot to have been able to put that arrow in his forehead if she wanted to.
Yeah, I don't think it's a coincidence that she managed to hit 3 straight non-vital spots on a moving target. Poor girl...
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