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PhyreHazard
Canada298 Posts
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sjh
Canada136 Posts
On April 28 2011 00:33 qrs wrote: Why do you keep watching? Because I keep hoping it will be good... | ||
MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
On April 28 2011 03:04 PhyreHazard wrote: I don't like how they are putting way too much attention on the eggs and the dragons If they didn't then what's left of dany so far apart from fanservice? That being said Arya sending away her wolf felt a lot weaker than in the books. | ||
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NPF
Canada1635 Posts
On April 28 2011 04:09 MasterOfChaos wrote: If they didn't then what's left of dany so far apart from fanservice? That being said Arya sending away her wolf felt a lot weaker than in the books. Yes but the same reason they didn't show Sansa Direwolf get killed is the same reason they didn't throw rocks to a Direwolf, because people would be up in arms for animal cruelty. Plus I imagine it would be kind of hard to make her play that scene wonderfully. I didn't see Jon Direwolf in the background, did they forget about it? | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
On April 28 2011 04:09 MasterOfChaos wrote: That being said Arya sending away her wolf felt a lot weaker than in the books. I don't know much of what else could be done. In the book, we find out that she chased her wolf away when she relates the story to her father. But TV shows have to obey the "show me, don't tell me" rule, or risk turning into an audio-book with talking heads. So they actually shoot the scene instead of relating it with dialog, and time constraints keep it from being very realistic or emotional. They've already had to cut out almost all the stuff that sets up the kids' relationships with their direwolves. So it's really an unfortunate and unavoidable constraint of adaptations generally. A lot of character development has really been hurt by the conflict between inner dialogue and actual dialogue, both of which are portrayed in the book, but only one of which can be portrayed on screen. Cat and Dany seem to have been hurt the most by this, unfortunately. On the other hand, there are a few scenes, particularly from episode 2, which were INCREDIBLY faithful. The scene where Tyrion is having breakfast with the other Lannisters is taken from the book almost word-for-word. The scene with Joffrey, Sansa, Arya and the Mycah was basically a perfect rendition of the events in the book. On the other hand... + Show Spoiler [about later events from the book 1] + The scene between Cersei and Cat in Bran's room with the big tearful story about her first-born is basically completely new and is a big departure from the actual events in the book, where we learn about Cersei's first pregnancy and abortion when Ned confronts her in King's Landing after he finds out her secret. | ||
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MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
They had Arya throw a stone at Nymeria. @Fwiffo I don't know how to do that scene better. Perhaps the soundtrack could have supported it better. Possibly it wasn't the scene by itself, but simply that the wolves weren't shown enough before to create as strong a relation to the viewer as in the books. The Dany viewpoint lacks the most IMO. So far she did little apart from having sex. Once again the problem is that a movie can't show a persons thoughts and feelings as easily as a book. But that should get better later on + Show Spoiler + once the khal is dead and her dragons hatch | ||
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Siniyas
Germany66 Posts
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mucker
United States1120 Posts
(from here) While the producers initially wanted to use actual wolves, wild animals are hard to control on sets, and the animals had to work closely with child actors. Instead, head animal trainer Jim Warren turned to the Northern Inuit, a dog breed native to Great Britain that closely resembles wolves. But the animals cast here were not professional actors, said Warren, who had about 12 weeks to train them. "All of the dogs we received were from rescues and some from private parties that felt that they couldn't deal with the dogs anymore, because they were rambunctious big dogs," said Warren. "They'd never been on set before [and] we had a huge amount of work to do to get them from 'See Spot run to the backyard' to make them look like they did for the show." | ||
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Angryhorse
Sweden387 Posts
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Doppelganger
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On April 28 2011 05:26 Siniyas wrote: why did they leave out the sparring with rob and joffry in it :/ Because this Robb looks like a 20 year old whilst Joffrey still looks like 15. You can't have a rivalry between a 20 and 15 year old. It's always going to end up looking like the big kid beating up the little kid. It is also a very pointless scene and any decent writers would take the knife to scenes like that first. | ||
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maliceee
United States634 Posts
On April 28 2011 04:25 NPF wrote: Yes but the same reason they didn't show Sansa Direwolf get killed is the same reason they didn't throw rocks to a Direwolf, because people would be up in arms for animal cruelty. Plus I imagine it would be kind of hard to make her play that scene wonderfully. I didn't see Jon Direwolf in the background, did they forget about it? How is that? It is mentioned a few times, but as a memory and not not when it actually happened. | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
Dance of Dragons is DONE! i can hardly believe it's happened after all this time hinted on GRRM's blog, but confirmed by his editor here | ||
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SF-Fork
Russian Federation1401 Posts
On April 28 2011 06:00 zalz wrote: Because this Robb looks like a 20 year old whilst Joffrey still looks like 15. You can't have a rivalry between a 20 and 15 year old. It's always going to end up looking like the big kid beating up the little kid. It is also a very pointless scene and any decent writers would take the knife to scenes like that first. I believe the sparring was between Bran and Tommen, and Joffrey commenting condescendingly on it, thus picking a quarrel with Robb | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
On April 28 2011 05:23 MasterOfChaos wrote: @NPF They had Arya throw a stone at Nymeria. @Fwiffo I don't know how to do that scene better. Perhaps the soundtrack could have supported it better. Possibly it wasn't the scene by itself, but simply that the wolves weren't shown enough before to create as strong a relation to the viewer as in the books. I think they could've included a scene where they named the wolves in episode 1. I think the scene with Nymeria leaving could have been way more emotional, have Arya tearful or hug the wolf or have to throw stones a few times at least. That's one of my biggest criticisms of the show, that they don't show Jon-Ghost or Robb's wolf that much. Everything else is quite good though. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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Sleight
2471 Posts
On April 28 2011 06:49 1Eris1 wrote: The wolves are going to be hard to put in. Either they are going to have to rely on a lot of CGI or simply make them have a smaller part then they do in the books. So far, they seem to be approaching the 2nd option, but we will see. The wolves are basically puppies currently. They are all less than a year old by this point in the book. The journey from Winterfell to King's landing seems to take 3ish months if you do the scenic route, which I assume is not what happened on the way back. So we can guess that direwovles would only be 3-6months old for the 2 episodes and the dogs they are using are full grown. When it comes time to see older (wilder) wolves *cough cough* if we see that I mean, I imagine they will do it well. They have been great so far. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [special effects in season 2] + The naval battle shown at around the 3:00 mark gives hope for the naval battles to come in season 2. | ||
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
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