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PhyreHazard
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-27 18:06:34
April 27 2011 18:04 GMT
#1901
I don't like how they are putting way too much attention on the eggs and the dragons when other scenes like Arya chasing away her wolf (which should have conveyed more emotion) seemed like an after though...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
sjh
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada136 Posts
April 27 2011 19:02 GMT
#1902
On April 28 2011 00:33 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2011 23:47 sjh wrote:
On April 27 2011 22:44 bObaZ wrote:
On April 27 2011 21:48 PinkSoviet wrote:
Well, honestly, I found that second episode really close to what I'd expect from your regular shitty teenage fantasy novel:

...

I hope I'm wrong, I've had enough of bad HBO with True blood.


I was giving some credit to your opinion till you said that True Blood was bad TV...



I hope you're not being serious.... True Blood is a terrible show. Each episode just keeps getting worse and worse,
Why do you keep watching?


Because I keep hoping it will be good...
Ceterum ceseo Protatem esse delendam
MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
April 27 2011 19:09 GMT
#1903
On April 28 2011 03:04 PhyreHazard wrote:
I don't like how they are putting way too much attention on the eggs and the dragons

If they didn't then what's left of dany so far apart from fanservice?

That being said Arya sending away her wolf felt a lot weaker than in the books.
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NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
April 27 2011 19:25 GMT
#1904
On April 28 2011 04:09 MasterOfChaos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2011 03:04 PhyreHazard wrote:
I don't like how they are putting way too much attention on the eggs and the dragons

If they didn't then what's left of dany so far apart from fanservice?

That being said Arya sending away her wolf felt a lot weaker than in the books.


Yes but the same reason they didn't show Sansa Direwolf get killed is the same reason they didn't throw rocks to a Direwolf, because people would be up in arms for animal cruelty. Plus I imagine it would be kind of hard to make her play that scene wonderfully. I didn't see Jon Direwolf in the background, did they forget about it?
CaptainFwiffo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States576 Posts
April 27 2011 19:27 GMT
#1905
On April 28 2011 04:09 MasterOfChaos wrote:
That being said Arya sending away her wolf felt a lot weaker than in the books.

I don't know much of what else could be done. In the book, we find out that she chased her wolf away when she relates the story to her father. But TV shows have to obey the "show me, don't tell me" rule, or risk turning into an audio-book with talking heads. So they actually shoot the scene instead of relating it with dialog, and time constraints keep it from being very realistic or emotional. They've already had to cut out almost all the stuff that sets up the kids' relationships with their direwolves.

So it's really an unfortunate and unavoidable constraint of adaptations generally. A lot of character development has really been hurt by the conflict between inner dialogue and actual dialogue, both of which are portrayed in the book, but only one of which can be portrayed on screen. Cat and Dany seem to have been hurt the most by this, unfortunately.

On the other hand, there are a few scenes, particularly from episode 2, which were INCREDIBLY faithful. The scene where Tyrion is having breakfast with the other Lannisters is taken from the book almost word-for-word. The scene with Joffrey, Sansa, Arya and the Mycah was basically a perfect rendition of the events in the book. On the other hand...

+ Show Spoiler [about later events from the book 1] +
The scene between Cersei and Cat in Bran's room with the big tearful story about her first-born is basically completely new and is a big departure from the actual events in the book, where we learn about Cersei's first pregnancy and abortion when Ned confronts her in King's Landing after he finds out her secret.
"Even though they don't drink milk, milk comes out of their nose, disturbingly." - Tasteless
MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
April 27 2011 20:23 GMT
#1906
@NPF
They had Arya throw a stone at Nymeria.
@Fwiffo
I don't know how to do that scene better. Perhaps the soundtrack could have supported it better. Possibly it wasn't the scene by itself, but simply that the wolves weren't shown enough before to create as strong a relation to the viewer as in the books.

The Dany viewpoint lacks the most IMO. So far she did little apart from having sex. Once again the problem is that a movie can't show a persons thoughts and feelings as easily as a book. But that should get better later on + Show Spoiler +
once the khal is dead and her dragons hatch
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Siniyas
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany66 Posts
April 27 2011 20:26 GMT
#1907
why did they leave out the sparring with rob and joffry in it :/
Let it rip
mucker
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1120 Posts
April 27 2011 20:47 GMT
#1908
When it comes to the limited scenes with the direwolves my guess is that it is due to the animals they used. Since they weren't working with animals that had been raised and trained for filming I'm sure they were limited by the length and complexity of the scenes they could shoot with them.

(from here)
While the producers initially wanted to use actual wolves, wild animals are hard to control on sets, and the animals had to work closely with child actors. Instead, head animal trainer Jim Warren turned to the Northern Inuit, a dog breed native to Great Britain that closely resembles wolves. But the animals cast here were not professional actors, said Warren, who had about 12 weeks to train them.
"All of the dogs we received were from rescues and some from private parties that felt that they couldn't deal with the dogs anymore, because they were rambunctious big dogs," said Warren. "They'd never been on set before [and] we had a huge amount of work to do to get them from 'See Spot run to the backyard' to make them look like they did for the show."

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Angryhorse
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden387 Posts
April 27 2011 20:51 GMT
#1909
Read about 700 pages in 2 days now from the first book and are rewatching the episodes right now, ALOT ALOT ALOT better now LOL! And the book is Awesome as fuck
Don't cry blood, the world doesn't revolve around you
Doppelganger
Profile Joined May 2010
488 Posts
April 27 2011 20:58 GMT
#1910
A Dance with Dragons is finished. So I guess it will actually come out on the 12th of July.
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
April 27 2011 21:00 GMT
#1911
On April 28 2011 05:26 Siniyas wrote:
why did they leave out the sparring with rob and joffry in it :/


Because this Robb looks like a 20 year old whilst Joffrey still looks like 15.

You can't have a rivalry between a 20 and 15 year old. It's always going to end up looking like the big kid beating up the little kid.


It is also a very pointless scene and any decent writers would take the knife to scenes like that first.
maliceee
Profile Joined August 2010
United States634 Posts
April 27 2011 21:02 GMT
#1912
On April 28 2011 04:25 NPF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2011 04:09 MasterOfChaos wrote:
On April 28 2011 03:04 PhyreHazard wrote:
I don't like how they are putting way too much attention on the eggs and the dragons

If they didn't then what's left of dany so far apart from fanservice?

That being said Arya sending away her wolf felt a lot weaker than in the books.


Yes but the same reason they didn't show Sansa Direwolf get killed is the same reason they didn't throw rocks to a Direwolf, because people would be up in arms for animal cruelty. Plus I imagine it would be kind of hard to make her play that scene wonderfully. I didn't see Jon Direwolf in the background, did they forget about it?


How is that? It is mentioned a few times, but as a memory and not not when it actually happened.
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
April 27 2011 21:41 GMT
#1913
Doppleganger's post isn't getting enough attention

Dance of Dragons is DONE!
i can hardly believe it's happened after all this time

hinted on GRRM's blog, but confirmed by his editor here
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SF-Fork
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Russian Federation1401 Posts
April 27 2011 21:43 GMT
#1914
On April 28 2011 06:00 zalz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2011 05:26 Siniyas wrote:
why did they leave out the sparring with rob and joffry in it :/


Because this Robb looks like a 20 year old whilst Joffrey still looks like 15.

You can't have a rivalry between a 20 and 15 year old. It's always going to end up looking like the big kid beating up the little kid.


It is also a very pointless scene and any decent writers would take the knife to scenes like that first.


I believe the sparring was between Bran and Tommen, and Joffrey commenting condescendingly on it, thus picking a quarrel with Robb
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
April 27 2011 21:44 GMT
#1915
On April 28 2011 05:23 MasterOfChaos wrote:
@NPF
They had Arya throw a stone at Nymeria.
@Fwiffo
I don't know how to do that scene better. Perhaps the soundtrack could have supported it better. Possibly it wasn't the scene by itself, but simply that the wolves weren't shown enough before to create as strong a relation to the viewer as in the books.

I think they could've included a scene where they named the wolves in episode 1.

I think the scene with Nymeria leaving could have been way more emotional, have Arya tearful or hug the wolf or have to throw stones a few times at least.

That's one of my biggest criticisms of the show, that they don't show Jon-Ghost or Robb's wolf that much. Everything else is quite good though.
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CaptainFwiffo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States576 Posts
April 27 2011 21:45 GMT
#1916
Lady (Sansa's direwolf) is killed off-screen in the book. Ned says something along the lines of "bring me Ice", then the next paragraph starts "When it was done..." (Ice is the Stark family greatsword used for executions)
"Even though they don't drink milk, milk comes out of their nose, disturbingly." - Tasteless
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
April 27 2011 21:49 GMT
#1917
The wolves are going to be hard to put in. Either they are going to have to rely on a lot of CGI or simply make them have a smaller part then they do in the books. So far, they seem to be approaching the 2nd option, but we will see.
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Sleight
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
2471 Posts
April 27 2011 21:55 GMT
#1918
On April 28 2011 06:49 1Eris1 wrote:
The wolves are going to be hard to put in. Either they are going to have to rely on a lot of CGI or simply make them have a smaller part then they do in the books. So far, they seem to be approaching the 2nd option, but we will see.



The wolves are basically puppies currently. They are all less than a year old by this point in the book. The journey from Winterfell to King's landing seems to take 3ish months if you do the scenic route, which I assume is not what happened on the way back. So we can guess that direwovles would only be 3-6months old for the 2 episodes and the dogs they are using are full grown. When it comes time to see older (wilder) wolves *cough cough* if we see that I mean, I imagine they will do it well. They have been great so far.
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karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
April 27 2011 22:32 GMT
#1919
I believe I read that this season they had like 4 special effects people, and they had like 24 hired for season 2. This John Adams HBO feature on the special effects used in it can give an idea of what is possible:



+ Show Spoiler [special effects in season 2] +
The naval battle shown at around the 3:00 mark gives hope for the naval battles to come in season 2.

Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
April 28 2011 01:49 GMT
#1920
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