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On April 27 2011 18:49 sc4k wrote:
To people who say there hasn't been action, they must be people who have read the books? For me, someone who rates his favourite show as The Wire, the pace of this show is intense right from the off. Changing scenes and moving forward in time without warning, changing characters suddenly and plot strings suddenly. There was loads of action and intrigue in the second episode. Right from the question of whether Bran would survive, to the assassination attempt, to that little douchebag Joffre's douchey attack on the ginger boy. I really like the tomboy girl actress, she is awesome :D. Although all that being said I am really put off by the nudity and sex scenes. Why can't they have some class, like the great and classic TV show 'I, Claudius'. There was far more implied sex in that show than there is in Spartacus, it was just that though, IMPLIED. I hate this modern style of showing tits and pounding flesh. If I want porn I'll get porn.
Were we watching the same show, where were these sudden changing characters and plot twists?
The moment you see Bran isn't in a coffin you know he's going to survive, so sending assassins doesn't even evoke danger because you know if he was going to die before he could wake up they'd have just had him not survive the fall or they wouldn't have sent an assassin because Bran just simply would wake up. And what could be more stereotypical than the spoiled prince being a brat and picking on the good characters? Seriously who cares about the butcher's boy in the first place? They might as well have just had him wear a red shirt.
Or what about the lack of tension when Ned killed the wolf. It's not like they've shown any real attachment between any of the characters and the wolves. Hell,Ned just a few minutes back was all set to just straight up kill them when he found them and then he looks all sad that he has to put the thing down? great action and intrigue there  It's not enough to have assassins and direwolves action is about context.
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On April 27 2011 21:30 Fraidnot wrote:
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The moment you see Bran isn't in a coffin you know he's going to survive, so sending assassins doesn't even evoke danger because you know if he was going to die before he could wake up they'd have just had him not survive the fall or they wouldn't have sent an assassin because Bran just simply would wake up. And what could be more stereotypical than the spoiled prince being a brat and picking on the good characters? Seriously who cares about the butcher's boy in the first place? They might as well have just had him wear a red shirt.
Hahaha! If thats the way you're thinking you'll be surprised very, very often in GoT. :D
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Well, honestly, I found that second episode really close to what I'd expect from your regular shitty teenage fantasy novel:
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almost lesbian action, a tomboy kicking a princial douchebag's ass, said prince being even more a douchebag, everybody surviving the assassin attack thanks to lassie, etc...
I was really hyped after the first episode, as I heard a lot of good about A song of ice and fire, but I start to fear a lot of this hype was just blind nostalgia by non-critical fanboys.
I hope I'm wrong, I've had enough of bad HBO with True blood.
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On April 27 2011 21:30 Fraidnot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 18:49 sc4k wrote:
To people who say there hasn't been action, they must be people who have read the books? For me, someone who rates his favourite show as The Wire, the pace of this show is intense right from the off. Changing scenes and moving forward in time without warning, changing characters suddenly and plot strings suddenly. There was loads of action and intrigue in the second episode. Right from the question of whether Bran would survive, to the assassination attempt, to that little douchebag Joffre's douchey attack on the ginger boy. I really like the tomboy girl actress, she is awesome :D. Although all that being said I am really put off by the nudity and sex scenes. Why can't they have some class, like the great and classic TV show 'I, Claudius'. There was far more implied sex in that show than there is in Spartacus, it was just that though, IMPLIED. I hate this modern style of showing tits and pounding flesh. If I want porn I'll get porn.
Were we watching the same show, where were these sudden changing characters and plot twists? The moment you see Bran isn't in a coffin you know he's going to survive, so sending assassins doesn't even evoke danger because you know if he was going to die before he could wake up they'd have just had him not survive the fall or they wouldn't have sent an assassin because Bran just simply would wake up. And what could be more stereotypical than the spoiled prince being a brat and picking on the good characters? Seriously who cares about the butcher's boy in the first place? They might as well have just had him wear a red shirt. Or what about the lack of tension when Ned killed the wolf. It's not like they've shown any real attachment between any of the characters and the wolves. Hell,Ned just a few minutes back was all set to just straight up kill them when he found them and then he looks all sad that he has to put the thing down? great action and intrigue there It's not enough to have assassins and direwolves action is about context.
You may be right that they showed very little attachment to the wolves, and that this scene works much better for us who have read the books where the wolves are more prominent. If the story were written for television, they should probably have kept the wolves a little longer first, but changing the story so dramatically would not be a good idea for an adaptation.
Also, a lot of the scenes that seem unnecessary now, are actually very important for setting up the characters and preparing for what is going to happen later on. Thus it may seem very slow at the moment, but it will pick up pace later. Personally, I love most of the scenes because I know these characters better, and I know what significance they have. To be honest, when I read the first book for the first time, I also found it very boring in some of the earlier passages.
As I said, if the story was written for television in the first place, it would probably have been a lot different, and more like what you are used to. But you'll just have to live with that. Given that the majority of the posters here who have not read the book think the series is great, I think they have done a pretty good job with the adaptation.
PinkSoviet: It gets better and less stereotypical.
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On April 27 2011 21:48 PinkSoviet wrote:Well, honestly, I found that second episode really close to what I'd expect from your regular shitty teenage fantasy novel: + Show Spoiler +
almost lesbian action, a tomboy kicking a princial douchebag's ass, said prince being even more a douchebag, everybody surviving the assassin attack thanks to lassie, etc...
I was really hyped after the first episode, as I heard a lot of good about A song of ice and fire, but I start to fear a lot of this hype was just blind nostalgia by non-critical fanboys. I hope I'm wrong, I've had enough of bad HBO with True blood.
The hype isn't just nostalgia. I know people who are reading the first book right now and they are totally loving it. From what I've read from reviews, the series will get way better (though I love it already) later in the first season. Also a lot of things that may seem like cliches now will get better later.
Oh yeah and there's no need to put in spoilers things that have been already shown in episodes.
I really wish I could forget everything about the books so that I could be watching the series without knowing the plot.
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On April 27 2011 21:48 PinkSoviet wrote:Well, honestly, I found that second episode really close to what I'd expect from your regular shitty teenage fantasy novel: + Show Spoiler +
almost lesbian action, a tomboy kicking a princial douchebag's ass, said prince being even more a douchebag, everybody surviving the assassin attack thanks to lassie, etc...
I was really hyped after the first episode, as I heard a lot of good about A song of ice and fire, but I start to fear a lot of this hype was just blind nostalgia by non-critical fanboys. I hope I'm wrong, I've had enough of bad HBO with True blood.
I feel like you are cherry picking your issues with the episode then condemning the whole because of two issues you don't entirely agree with. The Doreah and Dany scene is actually extremely important to the development of Dany later into the series. Whereas Arya's confrontation with Joffrey and the betrayal from Sansa is also super important to fleshing out the character for non-readers of the book.
Both of those scenes you mentioned have huge ramifications and you are tossing them aside because you think they are 'from your regular shitty teenage fantasy novel'.
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On April 27 2011 21:48 PinkSoviet wrote:Well, honestly, I found that second episode really close to what I'd expect from your regular shitty teenage fantasy novel: + Show Spoiler +
almost lesbian action, a tomboy kicking a princial douchebag's ass, said prince being even more a douchebag, everybody surviving the assassin attack thanks to lassie, etc...
I was really hyped after the first episode, as I heard a lot of good about A song of ice and fire, but I start to fear a lot of this hype was just blind nostalgia by non-critical fanboys. I hope I'm wrong, I've had enough of bad HBO with True blood.
Relax atm it is setting up and introducing characters, plotlines and locations. It will pick up speed and intensity.That episode should be the one that is the closest to any "teenage fantasy story", because all the kids are the major focus here. I guess when episode 5 is coming it will really pick up and start to deliver. The problem is it just needs a lot of time before the action can really start. The second season will have the bonus that this won't be necessary and can pick up immediately.
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On April 27 2011 21:48 PinkSoviet wrote:Well, honestly, I found that second episode really close to what I'd expect from your regular shitty teenage fantasy novel: + Show Spoiler +
almost lesbian action, a tomboy kicking a princial douchebag's ass, said prince being even more a douchebag, everybody surviving the assassin attack thanks to lassie, etc...
I was really hyped after the first episode, as I heard a lot of good about A song of ice and fire, but I start to fear a lot of this hype was just blind nostalgia by non-critical fanboys. I hope I'm wrong, I've had enough of bad HBO with True blood.
So if I like this show I should read twilight?
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On April 27 2011 21:30 Fraidnot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 18:49 sc4k wrote:
To people who say there hasn't been action, they must be people who have read the books? For me, someone who rates his favourite show as The Wire, the pace of this show is intense right from the off. Changing scenes and moving forward in time without warning, changing characters suddenly and plot strings suddenly. There was loads of action and intrigue in the second episode. Right from the question of whether Bran would survive, to the assassination attempt, to that little douchebag Joffre's douchey attack on the ginger boy. I really like the tomboy girl actress, she is awesome :D. Although all that being said I am really put off by the nudity and sex scenes. Why can't they have some class, like the great and classic TV show 'I, Claudius'. There was far more implied sex in that show than there is in Spartacus, it was just that though, IMPLIED. I hate this modern style of showing tits and pounding flesh. If I want porn I'll get porn.
Were we watching the same show, where were these sudden changing characters and plot twists? The moment you see Bran isn't in a coffin you know he's going to survive, so sending assassins doesn't even evoke danger because you know if he was going to die before he could wake up they'd have just had him not survive the fall or they wouldn't have sent an assassin because Bran just simply would wake up. And what could be more stereotypical than the spoiled prince being a brat and picking on the good characters? Seriously who cares about the butcher's boy in the first place? They might as well have just had him wear a red shirt. Or what about the lack of tension when Ned killed the wolf. It's not like they've shown any real attachment between any of the characters and the wolves. Hell,Ned just a few minutes back was all set to just straight up kill them when he found them and then he looks all sad that he has to put the thing down? great action and intrigue there It's not enough to have assassins and direwolves action is about context.
I'm going to have to LOL here. You're treating it like a normal teenage soap. You're assuming they're showing, for example, the assassin and the dog saving Bran just for the sake of a cool scene....and that's that. But that's just more character development. The fact you think that scene was just for a cool show means you should definitely keep watching, because you're going to have your teenage soap viewpoint epically crapped on.
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Do NOT post links to torrents/illegal downloads etc.
Put in spoilers what might happen in future episodes, but not events that already happened in broadcasted episodes.
Please limit discussion to the FIRST BOOK. Thanks!
this is the discussion thread about the show, why cant we discuss already aired topics? Go to the book threads if you want to discuss the books. And if you read this thread before seeing the episode then you deserve to have it spoiled out of stupidity for coming here
edit: Nevermind, I misread
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On April 27 2011 21:48 PinkSoviet wrote:
Well, honestly, I found that second episode really close to what I'd expect from your regular shitty teenage fantasy novel:
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I hope I'm wrong, I've had enough of bad HBO with True blood.
I was giving some credit to your opinion till you said that True Blood was bad TV...
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On April 27 2011 22:24 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 21:30 Fraidnot wrote:On April 27 2011 18:49 sc4k wrote:
To people who say there hasn't been action, they must be people who have read the books? For me, someone who rates his favourite show as The Wire, the pace of this show is intense right from the off. Changing scenes and moving forward in time without warning, changing characters suddenly and plot strings suddenly. There was loads of action and intrigue in the second episode. Right from the question of whether Bran would survive, to the assassination attempt, to that little douchebag Joffre's douchey attack on the ginger boy. I really like the tomboy girl actress, she is awesome :D. Although all that being said I am really put off by the nudity and sex scenes. Why can't they have some class, like the great and classic TV show 'I, Claudius'. There was far more implied sex in that show than there is in Spartacus, it was just that though, IMPLIED. I hate this modern style of showing tits and pounding flesh. If I want porn I'll get porn.
Were we watching the same show, where were these sudden changing characters and plot twists? The moment you see Bran isn't in a coffin you know he's going to survive, so sending assassins doesn't even evoke danger because you know if he was going to die before he could wake up they'd have just had him not survive the fall or they wouldn't have sent an assassin because Bran just simply would wake up. And what could be more stereotypical than the spoiled prince being a brat and picking on the good characters? Seriously who cares about the butcher's boy in the first place? They might as well have just had him wear a red shirt. Or what about the lack of tension when Ned killed the wolf. It's not like they've shown any real attachment between any of the characters and the wolves. Hell,Ned just a few minutes back was all set to just straight up kill them when he found them and then he looks all sad that he has to put the thing down? great action and intrigue there It's not enough to have assassins and direwolves action is about context. I'm going to have to LOL here. You're treating it like a normal teenage soap. You're assuming they're showing, for example, the assassin and the dog saving Bran just for the sake of a cool scene....and that's that. But that's just more character development. The fact you think that scene was just for a cool show means you should definitely keep watching, because you're going to have your teenage soap viewpoint epically crapped on.
This is correct. In this series, just because Bran survived the fall, doesnt mean the assassin could not kill him. In this series, all bets are off.
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Russian Federation1401 Posts
On April 27 2011 21:30 Fraidnot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 18:49 sc4k wrote:
To people who say there hasn't been action, they must be people who have read the books? For me, someone who rates his favourite show as The Wire, the pace of this show is intense right from the off. Changing scenes and moving forward in time without warning, changing characters suddenly and plot strings suddenly. There was loads of action and intrigue in the second episode. Right from the question of whether Bran would survive, to the assassination attempt, to that little douchebag Joffre's douchey attack on the ginger boy. I really like the tomboy girl actress, she is awesome :D. Although all that being said I am really put off by the nudity and sex scenes. Why can't they have some class, like the great and classic TV show 'I, Claudius'. There was far more implied sex in that show than there is in Spartacus, it was just that though, IMPLIED. I hate this modern style of showing tits and pounding flesh. If I want porn I'll get porn.
Were we watching the same show, where were these sudden changing characters and plot twists? The moment you see Bran isn't in a coffin you know he's going to survive, so sending assassins doesn't even evoke danger because you know if he was going to die before he could wake up they'd have just had him not survive the fall or they wouldn't have sent an assassin because Bran just simply would wake up. And what could be more stereotypical than the spoiled prince being a brat and picking on the good characters? Seriously who cares about the butcher's boy in the first place? They might as well have just had him wear a red shirt. Or what about the lack of tension when Ned killed the wolf. It's not like they've shown any real attachment between any of the characters and the wolves. Hell,Ned just a few minutes back was all set to just straight up kill them when he found them and then he looks all sad that he has to put the thing down? great action and intrigue there It's not enough to have assassins and direwolves action is about context.
find the context in the books. That's the problem of every adaptation. The King's Road scene is really harsh in the books with Arya throwing stones at her wolf, Ned killing Sansa's and the Hound riding down the butcher boy
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On April 27 2011 22:58 betaV1.25 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 22:24 Sm3agol wrote:On April 27 2011 21:30 Fraidnot wrote:On April 27 2011 18:49 sc4k wrote:
To people who say there hasn't been action, they must be people who have read the books? For me, someone who rates his favourite show as The Wire, the pace of this show is intense right from the off. Changing scenes and moving forward in time without warning, changing characters suddenly and plot strings suddenly. There was loads of action and intrigue in the second episode. Right from the question of whether Bran would survive, to the assassination attempt, to that little douchebag Joffre's douchey attack on the ginger boy. I really like the tomboy girl actress, she is awesome :D. Although all that being said I am really put off by the nudity and sex scenes. Why can't they have some class, like the great and classic TV show 'I, Claudius'. There was far more implied sex in that show than there is in Spartacus, it was just that though, IMPLIED. I hate this modern style of showing tits and pounding flesh. If I want porn I'll get porn.
Were we watching the same show, where were these sudden changing characters and plot twists? The moment you see Bran isn't in a coffin you know he's going to survive, so sending assassins doesn't even evoke danger because you know if he was going to die before he could wake up they'd have just had him not survive the fall or they wouldn't have sent an assassin because Bran just simply would wake up. And what could be more stereotypical than the spoiled prince being a brat and picking on the good characters? Seriously who cares about the butcher's boy in the first place? They might as well have just had him wear a red shirt. Or what about the lack of tension when Ned killed the wolf. It's not like they've shown any real attachment between any of the characters and the wolves. Hell,Ned just a few minutes back was all set to just straight up kill them when he found them and then he looks all sad that he has to put the thing down? great action and intrigue there It's not enough to have assassins and direwolves action is about context. I'm going to have to LOL here. You're treating it like a normal teenage soap. You're assuming they're showing, for example, the assassin and the dog saving Bran just for the sake of a cool scene....and that's that. But that's just more character development. The fact you think that scene was just for a cool show means you should definitely keep watching, because you're going to have your teenage soap viewpoint epically crapped on. This is correct. In this series, just because Bran survived the fall, doesnt mean the assassin could not kill him. In this series, all bets are off.
+ Show Spoiler [ possible book spoilers] +I almost wanted to disagree, then I remembered that there are three books on the way and considered that some of the characters might have been simply lucky till now.
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On November 16 2008 06:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Pilot should stop when Bran gets pushed out of the window, before he hits the ground.
<_<
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On April 27 2011 22:44 bObaZ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 21:48 PinkSoviet wrote:
Well, honestly, I found that second episode really close to what I'd expect from your regular shitty teenage fantasy novel:
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I hope I'm wrong, I've had enough of bad HBO with True blood. I was giving some credit to your opinion till you said that True Blood was bad TV...
I hope you're not being serious.... True Blood is a terrible show. Each episode just keeps getting worse and worse,
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On April 27 2011 21:30 Fraidnot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 18:49 sc4k wrote:
To people who say there hasn't been action, they must be people who have read the books? For me, someone who rates his favourite show as The Wire, the pace of this show is intense right from the off. Changing scenes and moving forward in time without warning, changing characters suddenly and plot strings suddenly. There was loads of action and intrigue in the second episode. Right from the question of whether Bran would survive, to the assassination attempt, to that little douchebag Joffre's douchey attack on the ginger boy. I really like the tomboy girl actress, she is awesome :D. Although all that being said I am really put off by the nudity and sex scenes. Why can't they have some class, like the great and classic TV show 'I, Claudius'. There was far more implied sex in that show than there is in Spartacus, it was just that though, IMPLIED. I hate this modern style of showing tits and pounding flesh. If I want porn I'll get porn.
Were we watching the same show, where were these sudden changing characters and plot twists? The moment you see Bran isn't in a coffin you know he's going to survive, so sending assassins doesn't even evoke danger because you know if he was going to die before he could wake up they'd have just had him not survive the fall or they wouldn't have sent an assassin because Bran just simply would wake up. And what could be more stereotypical than the spoiled prince being a brat and picking on the good characters? Seriously who cares about the butcher's boy in the first place? They might as well have just had him wear a red shirt. Or what about the lack of tension when Ned killed the wolf. It's not like they've shown any real attachment between any of the characters and the wolves. Hell,Ned just a few minutes back was all set to just straight up kill them when he found them and then he looks all sad that he has to put the thing down? great action and intrigue there It's not enough to have assassins and direwolves action is about context.
Well, the plot moves kind of slow in this show. Don't expect things to be introduced and then ended in the same episode like most other shows do. What looks like stupid TV to you now is something that you will look back later in the season or the 2nd season or even the 3rd and say AAAA, so that is why this and this happened way back then.
Also take into consideration that most reviewers that got the first 6 episodes in advance to watch said #2 is the worst and #5 and #6 are the best. So keep watching 
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Anybody got HD Nudes?? Teehee, good show so far.
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On April 27 2011 23:47 sjh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 22:44 bObaZ wrote:On April 27 2011 21:48 PinkSoviet wrote:
Well, honestly, I found that second episode really close to what I'd expect from your regular shitty teenage fantasy novel:
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I hope I'm wrong, I've had enough of bad HBO with True blood. I was giving some credit to your opinion till you said that True Blood was bad TV... I hope you're not being serious.... True Blood is a terrible show. Each episode just keeps getting worse and worse, Why do you keep watching?
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