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On July 16 2012 20:30 Irrelevant Label wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 12:53 SergioCQH wrote:On July 16 2012 10:50 Euronyme wrote:On July 16 2012 09:43 Irrelevant Label wrote:
That is sort of book discussion, but numbers were not changed for the show. Renly had the same 100k, not 10. Yeah I had to look it up as well. It's kind of weird though, 'cause I heard that Westeros is medieval Great Britain basically, and the Stormlands (where Renly got his troops from) is like what.. Essex?.. In perspective the British population was about 2 million during the middle ages. Yes I realize it's a saga with dragons and shit, but for the most part GRRM is fairly true to the medieval British society afaik. Actually, Westeros is about the size of South America, per GRRM. Yeah, the world is bigger than the easy "like western Europe" or worse, "like Britain" assumption leads one to think. It's about 1000 leagues, or 5500 km from KL to the Wall. Visual: + Show Spoiler +
The world is bigger than South America as well.
The difference is that the world map for Europeans looked about the same as it does in GRRMs universe, he's said that Westeros is like the GB during the war of the roses, and the customs of westeros are very similar to those of medieval Europe, with some exceptions.
He's even said that the Wall was the rift between England and Scotland during that era.
It would make sense if it's the size of the UK.
No reason to be condescending to people who assumed that's how big it was, as virtually every other fact has pointed towards it.
Who uses leagues anyway?
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On July 17 2012 06:07 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 20:30 Irrelevant Label wrote:On July 16 2012 12:53 SergioCQH wrote:On July 16 2012 10:50 Euronyme wrote:On July 16 2012 09:43 Irrelevant Label wrote:
That is sort of book discussion, but numbers were not changed for the show. Renly had the same 100k, not 10. Yeah I had to look it up as well. It's kind of weird though, 'cause I heard that Westeros is medieval Great Britain basically, and the Stormlands (where Renly got his troops from) is like what.. Essex?.. In perspective the British population was about 2 million during the middle ages. Yes I realize it's a saga with dragons and shit, but for the most part GRRM is fairly true to the medieval British society afaik. Actually, Westeros is about the size of South America, per GRRM. Yeah, the world is bigger than the easy "like western Europe" or worse, "like Britain" assumption leads one to think. It's about 1000 leagues, or 5500 km from KL to the Wall. Visual: + Show Spoiler + The world is bigger than South America as well. The difference is that the world map for Europeans looked about the same as it does in GRRMs universe, he's said that Westeros is like the GB during the war of the roses, and the customs of westeros are very similar to those of medieval Europe, with some exceptions. He's even said that the Wall was the rift between England and Scotland during that era. It would make sense if it's the size of the UK. No reason to be condescending to people who assumed that's how big it was, as virtually every other fact has pointed towards it. Who uses leagues anyway?
alone the different climate zones in westeros make it impossible to say its the size of GB ..
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On July 17 2012 06:15 Gaga wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 06:07 Euronyme wrote:On July 16 2012 20:30 Irrelevant Label wrote:On July 16 2012 12:53 SergioCQH wrote:On July 16 2012 10:50 Euronyme wrote:On July 16 2012 09:43 Irrelevant Label wrote:
That is sort of book discussion, but numbers were not changed for the show. Renly had the same 100k, not 10. Yeah I had to look it up as well. It's kind of weird though, 'cause I heard that Westeros is medieval Great Britain basically, and the Stormlands (where Renly got his troops from) is like what.. Essex?.. In perspective the British population was about 2 million during the middle ages. Yes I realize it's a saga with dragons and shit, but for the most part GRRM is fairly true to the medieval British society afaik. Actually, Westeros is about the size of South America, per GRRM. Yeah, the world is bigger than the easy "like western Europe" or worse, "like Britain" assumption leads one to think. It's about 1000 leagues, or 5500 km from KL to the Wall. Visual: + Show Spoiler + The world is bigger than South America as well. The difference is that the world map for Europeans looked about the same as it does in GRRMs universe, he's said that Westeros is like the GB during the war of the roses, and the customs of westeros are very similar to those of medieval Europe, with some exceptions. He's even said that the Wall was the rift between England and Scotland during that era. It would make sense if it's the size of the UK. No reason to be condescending to people who assumed that's how big it was, as virtually every other fact has pointed towards it. Who uses leagues anyway? alone the different climate zones in westeros make it impossible to say its the size of GB ..
In a globe as big as our world yes.
The globe could be smaller, but the country the same size. Considering they have winters and summers for ~10 years at a time, there's something going on with the globe.
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On July 17 2012 06:19 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 06:15 Gaga wrote:On July 17 2012 06:07 Euronyme wrote:On July 16 2012 20:30 Irrelevant Label wrote:On July 16 2012 12:53 SergioCQH wrote:On July 16 2012 10:50 Euronyme wrote:On July 16 2012 09:43 Irrelevant Label wrote:
That is sort of book discussion, but numbers were not changed for the show. Renly had the same 100k, not 10. Yeah I had to look it up as well. It's kind of weird though, 'cause I heard that Westeros is medieval Great Britain basically, and the Stormlands (where Renly got his troops from) is like what.. Essex?.. In perspective the British population was about 2 million during the middle ages. Yes I realize it's a saga with dragons and shit, but for the most part GRRM is fairly true to the medieval British society afaik. Actually, Westeros is about the size of South America, per GRRM. Yeah, the world is bigger than the easy "like western Europe" or worse, "like Britain" assumption leads one to think. It's about 1000 leagues, or 5500 km from KL to the Wall. Visual: + Show Spoiler + The world is bigger than South America as well. The difference is that the world map for Europeans looked about the same as it does in GRRMs universe, he's said that Westeros is like the GB during the war of the roses, and the customs of westeros are very similar to those of medieval Europe, with some exceptions. He's even said that the Wall was the rift between England and Scotland during that era. It would make sense if it's the size of the UK. No reason to be condescending to people who assumed that's how big it was, as virtually every other fact has pointed towards it. Who uses leagues anyway? alone the different climate zones in westeros make it impossible to say its the size of GB .. In a globe as big as our world yes. The globe could be smaller, but the country the same size. Considering they have winters and summers for ~10 years at a time, there's something going on with the globe.
It could just be the work of magic, no one said that the winter and summer cycles were created by natural causes.
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It almost has to be, doesn't it? What natural combination of solar and atmospheric factors would make for dramatically variable in length seasons while having only one star, one moon (and not being a moon), and constant length east-west day cycles at all latitudes with all the things those imply? Is there any way for a planet to have a highly irregular wobble in it's obliquity?
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Just watched both seasons in two days. Such an epic fucking show.
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Really short ice ages 
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On July 17 2012 08:18 Mzimzim wrote:
Just watched both seasons in two days. Such an epic fucking show.
Now read the books and be even more amazed.
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On July 17 2012 07:51 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 06:19 Euronyme wrote:On July 17 2012 06:15 Gaga wrote:On July 17 2012 06:07 Euronyme wrote:On July 16 2012 20:30 Irrelevant Label wrote:On July 16 2012 12:53 SergioCQH wrote:On July 16 2012 10:50 Euronyme wrote:On July 16 2012 09:43 Irrelevant Label wrote:
That is sort of book discussion, but numbers were not changed for the show. Renly had the same 100k, not 10. Yeah I had to look it up as well. It's kind of weird though, 'cause I heard that Westeros is medieval Great Britain basically, and the Stormlands (where Renly got his troops from) is like what.. Essex?.. In perspective the British population was about 2 million during the middle ages. Yes I realize it's a saga with dragons and shit, but for the most part GRRM is fairly true to the medieval British society afaik. Actually, Westeros is about the size of South America, per GRRM. Yeah, the world is bigger than the easy "like western Europe" or worse, "like Britain" assumption leads one to think. It's about 1000 leagues, or 5500 km from KL to the Wall. Visual: + Show Spoiler + The world is bigger than South America as well. The difference is that the world map for Europeans looked about the same as it does in GRRMs universe, he's said that Westeros is like the GB during the war of the roses, and the customs of westeros are very similar to those of medieval Europe, with some exceptions. He's even said that the Wall was the rift between England and Scotland during that era. It would make sense if it's the size of the UK. No reason to be condescending to people who assumed that's how big it was, as virtually every other fact has pointed towards it. Who uses leagues anyway? alone the different climate zones in westeros make it impossible to say its the size of GB .. In a globe as big as our world yes. The globe could be smaller, but the country the same size. Considering they have winters and summers for ~10 years at a time, there's something going on with the globe. It could just be the work of magic, no one said that the winter and summer cycles were created by natural causes.
Maybe it's just the white walkers that awaken every now and again?
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On July 17 2012 12:13 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 07:51 Integra wrote:On July 17 2012 06:19 Euronyme wrote:On July 17 2012 06:15 Gaga wrote:On July 17 2012 06:07 Euronyme wrote:On July 16 2012 20:30 Irrelevant Label wrote:On July 16 2012 12:53 SergioCQH wrote:On July 16 2012 10:50 Euronyme wrote:On July 16 2012 09:43 Irrelevant Label wrote:
That is sort of book discussion, but numbers were not changed for the show. Renly had the same 100k, not 10. Yeah I had to look it up as well. It's kind of weird though, 'cause I heard that Westeros is medieval Great Britain basically, and the Stormlands (where Renly got his troops from) is like what.. Essex?.. In perspective the British population was about 2 million during the middle ages. Yes I realize it's a saga with dragons and shit, but for the most part GRRM is fairly true to the medieval British society afaik. Actually, Westeros is about the size of South America, per GRRM. Yeah, the world is bigger than the easy "like western Europe" or worse, "like Britain" assumption leads one to think. It's about 1000 leagues, or 5500 km from KL to the Wall. Visual: + Show Spoiler + The world is bigger than South America as well. The difference is that the world map for Europeans looked about the same as it does in GRRMs universe, he's said that Westeros is like the GB during the war of the roses, and the customs of westeros are very similar to those of medieval Europe, with some exceptions. He's even said that the Wall was the rift between England and Scotland during that era. It would make sense if it's the size of the UK. No reason to be condescending to people who assumed that's how big it was, as virtually every other fact has pointed towards it. Who uses leagues anyway? alone the different climate zones in westeros make it impossible to say its the size of GB .. In a globe as big as our world yes. The globe could be smaller, but the country the same size. Considering they have winters and summers for ~10 years at a time, there's something going on with the globe. It could just be the work of magic, no one said that the winter and summer cycles were created by natural causes. Maybe it's just the white walkers that awaken every now and again?
I theorize the same thing. I've seen some things in the show that suggest the birth of dragons has some effect on the weather, so it may be possible that the weather cycles in the GoT world are governed by the dominance of one element over another. My wild guess is that winter will come for a time, but it will disappear when Daenerys manages to cross the ocean (or when her dragons grow up).
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On July 17 2012 15:25 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 12:13 Euronyme wrote:On July 17 2012 07:51 Integra wrote:On July 17 2012 06:19 Euronyme wrote:On July 17 2012 06:15 Gaga wrote:On July 17 2012 06:07 Euronyme wrote:On July 16 2012 20:30 Irrelevant Label wrote:On July 16 2012 12:53 SergioCQH wrote:On July 16 2012 10:50 Euronyme wrote:On July 16 2012 09:43 Irrelevant Label wrote:
That is sort of book discussion, but numbers were not changed for the show. Renly had the same 100k, not 10. Yeah I had to look it up as well. It's kind of weird though, 'cause I heard that Westeros is medieval Great Britain basically, and the Stormlands (where Renly got his troops from) is like what.. Essex?.. In perspective the British population was about 2 million during the middle ages. Yes I realize it's a saga with dragons and shit, but for the most part GRRM is fairly true to the medieval British society afaik. Actually, Westeros is about the size of South America, per GRRM. Yeah, the world is bigger than the easy "like western Europe" or worse, "like Britain" assumption leads one to think. It's about 1000 leagues, or 5500 km from KL to the Wall. Visual: + Show Spoiler + The world is bigger than South America as well. The difference is that the world map for Europeans looked about the same as it does in GRRMs universe, he's said that Westeros is like the GB during the war of the roses, and the customs of westeros are very similar to those of medieval Europe, with some exceptions. He's even said that the Wall was the rift between England and Scotland during that era. It would make sense if it's the size of the UK. No reason to be condescending to people who assumed that's how big it was, as virtually every other fact has pointed towards it. Who uses leagues anyway? alone the different climate zones in westeros make it impossible to say its the size of GB .. In a globe as big as our world yes. The globe could be smaller, but the country the same size. Considering they have winters and summers for ~10 years at a time, there's something going on with the globe. It could just be the work of magic, no one said that the winter and summer cycles were created by natural causes. Maybe it's just the white walkers that awaken every now and again? I theorize the same thing. I've seen some things in the show that suggest the birth of dragons has some effect on the weather, so it may be possible that the weather cycles in the GoT world are governed by the dominance of one element over another. My wild guess is that winter will come for a time, but it will disappear when Daenerys manages to cross the ocean (or when her dragons grow up).
Dragons were extinct for hundreds of years though, but the last winter was like 10 years ago from the point of the first season, so spring can come without dragons.
If they kill of the white walkers though, that might do it. In the last episode they were even walking with a snow storm.
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On July 16 2012 09:58 kafkaesque wrote:
Well, if there's something George R. R. Martin does badly, it's numbers.
I don't get why people would think numbers count for anything after the first two series. If anything, having superior numbers is a dissadvantage in a GRRM work.
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On July 17 2012 08:11 Irrelevant Label wrote:
It almost has to be, doesn't it? What natural combination of solar and atmospheric factors would make for dramatically variable in length seasons while having only one star, one moon (and not being a moon), and constant length east-west day cycles at all latitudes with all the things those imply? Is there any way for a planet to have a highly irregular wobble in it's obliquity?
I read a blog on astronomy a while ago where this topic was discussed, sadly it's in German (and I can't find it either  ).
But it basically said, that such a configuration would be theoretically possible, although very unlikely. For example it would require a second star like object, but since you only see one sun in the sky it would need to be something invisible like a brown dwarf star or a black hole.
If the masses and positions would meet certain conditions, the planet could move in a stable way, not around the sun but up and down between the two objects which would create those very long seasons (and they would vary in length as well).
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just finished watching the second season, awesome
this poll has prolly already been done a million times on the web but:
Poll: who would win a 1on1 fighting tourney in the current (S2)GoT universe?Jaqen "Shapeshifter Assassin" H'ghar (22) 30% Jaime "Incest Knight" Lannister (21) 28% Gregor "The Mountain" Clegane (14) 19% "Dwarf Bodyguard" Bronn (5) 7% Sandor "The Hound" Clegane (3) 4% (3) 4% Brienne "Lesbian Knight" of Tarth (2) 3% (2) 3% Tywin "Old Fucker" Lannister (1) 1% Jorah "The Bodyguard" Mormont (1) 1% Stannis "Mr Hardcore" Baratheon (0) 0% Robb "Military Prodigy" Stark (0) 0% 74 total votes Your vote: who would win a 1on1 fighting tourney in the current (S2)GoT universe? (Vote): Gregor "The Mountain" Clegane
(Vote): Sandor "The Hound" Clegane
(Vote): Stannis "Mr Hardcore" Baratheon
(Vote): Jaime "Incest Knight" Lannister
(Vote): Jaqen "Shapeshifter Assassin" H'ghar
(Vote): "Dwarf Bodyguard" Bronn
(Vote): Robb "Military Prodigy" Stark
(Vote): Brienne "Lesbian Knight" of Tarth
(Vote): Tywin "Old Fucker" Lannister
(Vote): Jorah "The Bodyguard" Mormont
(Vote):
(Vote):
of course it might depend on the tournament brackets, but who would be most likely to win? remember its a straight up fight, otherwise the shapeshifter assassin would probably be everyones first pick
first season spoiler:
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characters that already died are excluded, because obviously we all know that kahl drogo was the best fighter ever in the history of the universe and his untimely demise along with his son, the stallion who would have mounted the world, led to the disappointing end of season one
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On July 19 2012 21:44 summerloud wrote:first season spoiler: + Show Spoiler +
characters that already died are excluded, because obviously we all know that kahl drogo was the best fighter ever in the history of the universe and his untimely demise along with his son, the stallion who would have mounted the world, led to the disappointing end of season one
Would you had preferred she spent the next however many seasons with a suckling at her breast and letting drogo do all the cool shit?? I wouldnt.
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On July 19 2012 21:48 Probasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:44 summerloud wrote:first season spoiler: + Show Spoiler +
characters that already died are excluded, because obviously we all know that kahl drogo was the best fighter ever in the history of the universe and his untimely demise along with his son, the stallion who would have mounted the world, led to the disappointing end of season one
Would you had preferred she spent the next however many seasons with a suckling at her breast and letting drogo do all the cool shit?? I wouldnt.
season one spoiler
+ Show Spoiler +
i would have preferred it to giving the greatest warrior ever the worst death ever yeah
but i agree the blond dragon girl is filling his role better than expected, which is the least she can do considering she basically killed him by concincing him to trust that witch
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On July 19 2012 21:44 summerloud wrote:+ Show Spoiler +just finished watching the second season, awesome this poll has prolly already been done a million times on the web but: Poll: who would win a 1on1 fighting tourney in the current (S2)GoT universe?Jaqen "Shapeshifter Assassin" H'ghar (22) 30% Jaime "Incest Knight" Lannister (21) 28% Gregor "The Mountain" Clegane (14) 19% "Dwarf Bodyguard" Bronn (5) 7% Sandor "The Hound" Clegane (3) 4% (3) 4% Brienne "Lesbian Knight" of Tarth (2) 3% (2) 3% Tywin "Old Fucker" Lannister (1) 1% Jorah "The Bodyguard" Mormont (1) 1% Stannis "Mr Hardcore" Baratheon (0) 0% Robb "Military Prodigy" Stark (0) 0% 74 total votes Your vote: who would win a 1on1 fighting tourney in the current (S2)GoT universe? (Vote): Gregor "The Mountain" Clegane
(Vote): Sandor "The Hound" Clegane
(Vote): Stannis "Mr Hardcore" Baratheon
(Vote): Jaime "Incest Knight" Lannister
(Vote): Jaqen "Shapeshifter Assassin" H'ghar
(Vote): "Dwarf Bodyguard" Bronn
(Vote): Robb "Military Prodigy" Stark
(Vote): Brienne "Lesbian Knight" of Tarth
(Vote): Tywin "Old Fucker" Lannister
(Vote): Jorah "The Bodyguard" Mormont
(Vote):
(Vote):
of course it might depend on the tournament brackets, but who would be most likely to win? remember its a straight up fight, otherwise the shapeshifter assassin would probably be everyones first pick first season spoiler: + Show Spoiler +
characters that already died are excluded, because obviously we all know that kahl drogo was the best fighter ever in the history of the universe and his untimely demise along with his son, the stallion who would have mounted the world, led to the disappointing end of season one
You don't need to spoiler stuff from the show.
Also it's Stannis "The Mannis" Baratheon.
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Jaqen winning? Really? He's more of a shadow assassin guy, kills you quickly and quietly when you aren't expecting anything and fading away before anyone can get him. I doubt he would beat the Mountain in a 1v1 tourney unless it was like hunger games style or something
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If it is a straight up fight I don't see Jaqen beating anyone else who is likely to be nominated to such a listing other than some of the easy ones like Starks, Stannis, or anyone else nominated for social position more than combat skill.
Tywin? Ha, ...wait, what about a "if they were playing SC" bracket? He may have old man motor skills but his mechanics and decision making would surely be incredible.
The list is really quite lacking when it does not have two of the constant round of 4 at minimum contenders, Syrio and Barristan. Surely people like Loras, Yoren and, if the recent death doesn't disqualify him, Qhorin, belong on the list as well. Considering some who did make it already Jon, Arya, Theon, and Tyrion(ha!) might as well be on there.
Actually, how far apart do they start out? Theon might be the favorite. nerf ranged.
There should be one for the game of thrones itself. Since this is all show inc. Lannister men team kill final, but who knows what popularity Varys or Littlefinger might manage...or if Cersei has a fan club.
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Well obviously Ser Barristan but since he is not in the poll it HAS to be Jaime. Come on guys.
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