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Zahir
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
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Zahir
United States947 Posts
Jaime: go to your room. The hound: Shouldnt you be lapping at my sons boots? The mountain: still havent caught the brotherhood? Back to harranhal with you. Bronn: you're fired. Robb: tell it to your kidnapped sister. How's it feel to not have any hostages thx to dear old mum? Jorah: how's the exiled life? Stannis: Gg sry no re. Brienne: my sons new bodyguard, you make a cute couple! Jaqen: worked for me once already, let's re hire you! Loras: knew you'd come around As for intellectual heavyweights... The spider: working for me Little finger: see above Tyrion: see above and I don't even have to pay him! Cersei: see above Arya: good cupbearer, re hired! Sansa: my hostage. Margaery: token hot chick in my evil alliance Xaro: dead Ned: dead Robert: dead The targaryens: almost dead All my other enemies: pretty much dead It's good to be on top. | ||
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starfries
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
Bronn is brutal when it is called for, efficient, effective, fairly intelligent and quite loyal to coin. Tywin has a lot of coin. Tywin also has been somewhat ill served by his current "mad dogs" being a bit too mad/stupid and Bronn would be about the perfect upgrade/replacement. Conveniently Lorch was killed recently so the position is already wide open even. Why on Westeros would he be fired? He should be made a knight, hired, and put to work destroying the Brotherhood. He'd probably get it done in a month by doing something sensible but beyond the imagining of Tywin's other enforcers like winning the villages over by helping them out and more or less outbidding the brotherhood all while still spending less than the slaughter tactic was costing in the long run. | ||
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Zahir
United States947 Posts
As for arena match... Haha... What else would you call politics! | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
This is what I waste my moments of inspirations on. | ||
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Hoodlum
United States350 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
He's got everything planned out far ahead of everyone. Varys knows things in a micro sense, but Littlefinger is working in a macro sense. And you know, macro is more important, right? After Littlefinger comes Varys, then either Tyrion or Tywin. Both are pretty shrewd, but Tyrion has to bend over to Tywin, so I think Tywin wins in that regard. | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On July 22 2012 16:07 youngminii wrote: In my opinion, Littlefinger is at the very top. He's got everything planned out far ahead of everyone. Varys knows things in a micro sense, but Littlefinger is working in a macro sense. And you know, macro is more important, right? After Littlefinger comes Varys, then either Tyrion or Tywin. Both are pretty shrewd, but Tyrion has to bend over to Tywin, so I think Tywin wins in that regard. Littlefinger has very little actual power, however. He just has money and contacts, and honestly, nobody trusts him. His only big power play was when the Hand of the King trusted him for a task (after explicitly being warned not to). He's an opportunist, but I don't think anyone else is naive enough to give him those opportunities. Edit: Misunderstood the question. I still don't believe Littlefinger is all that smart, though. He's just a snake who's willing to do anything, and that gives him some reach. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
One thing though, to the guys saying Arya should be on the top smart list.. Come on, she could choose to kill literally anyone through Jaqen. She could've killed Cercei, Joffrey and Tywin and put house Lannister in a succession crisis. Instead she picked random guards and a torturer. Not exactly a towering intellect. She's just a child you might say. Well children are rarely the smartest people in the world. From the series alone, I'd put Littlefinger Varys Tywin as top smarts in that order. In stupidity I'd rank: Joffrey (insane child of incest) Ned (completely oblivious of the game of thrones) Robb (starting a war with terrible odds and no diplomacy with the other great houses wtf?) | ||
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Brosy
United States254 Posts
On July 23 2012 21:15 Euronyme wrote: God this is hard to read when you've read the books :/ One thing though, to the guys saying Arya should be on the top smart list.. Come on, she could choose to kill literally anyone through Jaqen. She could've killed Cercei, Joffrey and Tywin and put house Lannister in a succession crisis. Instead she picked random guards and a torturer. Not exactly a towering intellect. She's just a child you might say. Well children are rarely the smartest people in the world. From the series alone, I'd put Littlefinger Varys Tywin as top smarts in that order. In stupidity I'd rank: Joffrey (insane child of incest) Ned (completely oblivious of the game of thrones) Robb (starting a war with terrible odds and no diplomacy with the other great houses wtf?) I don't disagree with Robb as a stupid character, but your reasoning is off. Robb, has the Riverlands (Tully, Freys), and has won every battle, so I don't think starting a war over your father is bad judgment. Plus head doesn't want to win the 7 kingdoms, just free his father. After his fathers death he just wants seperation from the 7 kingdoms and since the Eyrie refuses to join in and if it did, would join the north/riverlands he his fighting basically just the Lannisters and Tyrells. I say his stupidity is shown in taking wife when promised to a Frey, and his overall judgement of people. A fair amount of his lack of good judgement with trusting people comes down to his father. Ned never left the North after becoming Lord of Winterfell before becoming the Hand (besides the Greyjoy rebellion) and so Robb has little judgement of people outside of what his father said about those that came to court in Winterfell. | ||
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LaSt)ChAnCe
United States2179 Posts
On July 24 2012 00:18 Brosy wrote: I don't disagree with Robb as a stupid character, but your reasoning is off. Robb, has the Riverlands (Tully, Freys), and has won every battle, so I don't think starting a war over your father is bad judgment. Plus head doesn't want to win the 7 kingdoms, just free his father. After his fathers death he just wants seperation from the 7 kingdoms and since the Eyrie refuses to join in and if it did, would join the north/riverlands he his fighting basically just the Lannisters and Tyrells. I say his stupidity is shown in taking wife when promised to a Frey, and his overall judgement of people. A fair amount of his lack of good judgement with trusting people comes down to his father. Ned never left the North after becoming Lord of Winterfell before becoming the Hand (besides the Greyjoy rebellion) and so Robb has little judgement of people outside of what his father said about those that came to court in Winterfell. uh... ned definitely left the north before becoming hand (the entire rebellion thing that put Baratheon in power) | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On July 24 2012 00:18 Brosy wrote: I don't disagree with Robb as a stupid character, but your reasoning is off. Robb, has the Riverlands (Tully, Freys), and has won every battle, so I don't think starting a war over your father is bad judgment. Plus head doesn't want to win the 7 kingdoms, just free his father. After his fathers death he just wants seperation from the 7 kingdoms and since the Eyrie refuses to join in and if it did, would join the north/riverlands he his fighting basically just the Lannisters and Tyrells. I say his stupidity is shown in taking wife when promised to a Frey, and his overall judgement of people. A fair amount of his lack of good judgement with trusting people comes down to his father. Ned never left the North after becoming Lord of Winterfell before becoming the Hand (besides the Greyjoy rebellion) and so Robb has little judgement of people outside of what his father said about those that came to court in Winterfell. Ned even went as far south as to Dorne during Robert's rebellion. At that point he was warden of the nort. Robb can't fight a straight up battle as the lannisters have twice as many men as he does, and the Reach has a huge population compared to everyone else. It's kind of tricky to win against those odds straight up. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On July 23 2012 21:15 Euronyme wrote: One thing though, to the guys saying Arya should be on the top smart list.. Come on, she could choose to kill literally anyone through Jaqen. She could've killed Cercei, Joffrey and Tywin and put house Lannister in a succession crisis. Instead she picked random guards and a torturer. Not exactly a towering intellect. She's just a child you might say. Well children are rarely the smartest people in the world. I dunno, I think killing the torturer was a good safe first move, to see if Jaqen really meant what he said. The second name was an emergency, so it was either Amory or Tywin. I think she was reluctant to name Tywin early on because even though technically he's an enemy, he's been generally decent to her and her friends. Given that she's basically under his protection, getting rid of him might turn out really badly, so she wants to put it off as long as possible. It's only when he sets out with his army that she decides to make her move, but by then it's too late so she uses the last name to escape. As for why she didn't name one of the people on her list (Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound), I think she wants to do it herself. Like I said, her intelligence is not so much in strategy as in thinking quickly and on her feet. It seems to be a Stark thing, like how Rob is brilliant in battle tactics but is terrible at making good long-term decisions. edit: Now that I think of it, this might be a stroke of brilliance on Tywin's part. If they had just brought the prisoners to him straight away, then she'd probably off him without a second thought. But after being terrorized by the Tickler, most of the prisoners' anger and hatred is directed at him, while Tywin is cast as a savior figure. So any good guys in there who happen to hold the power of life and death will, being good guys, think twice about killing someone who just saved their lives. | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
On July 23 2012 21:15 Euronyme wrote: Robb (starting a war with terrible odds and no diplomacy with the other great houses wtf?) Robb had the Tully, another of the Seven Great Houses (this was cut from the TV series but I don't consider this a spoiler as in season one Robb mentioned relieving Riverrun and join force with the Riverlords). House Arryn has been House Stark's ally since ancient times. Stark and Arryn are the only two Houses originated from the First Men. However, Caitlin's sister betrayed the Starks and refuse to rally Vale. When Robb rallied his army, he had no knowledge that Lady Arryn abandoned the Starks. It was a safe bet that Stannis would have rebelled and it was known that Dorne has no interest in the affair of the Iron Throne. Robert's Rebellion was won with House Baratheon, House Arryn, House Stark and House Tully. The Lannisters did not have the support of Dorne or even Highgarden unlike the Targaryens. In theory, on paper at least, Robb's rebellion had a really reasonable chance of victory if Arryn had rallied to the Starks and Balon Greyjoy isn't so fked up in the head enough to attack fellow separationists. | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On July 24 2012 01:31 dukethegold wrote: Robb had the Tully, another of the Seven Great Houses (this was cut from the TV series but I don't consider this a spoiler as in season one Robb mentioned relieving Riverrun and join force with the Riverlords). House Arryn has been House Stark's ally since ancient times. Stark and Arryn are the only two Houses originated from the First Men. However, Caitlin's sister betrayed the Starks and refuse to rally Vale. When Robb rallied his army, he had no knowledge that Lady Arryn abandoned the Starks. It was a safe bet that Stannis would have rebelled and it was known that Dorne has no interest in the affair of the Iron Throne. Robert's Rebellion was won with House Baratheon, House Arryn, House Stark and House Tully. The Lannisters did not have the support of Dorne or even Highgarden unlike the Targaryens. In theory, on paper at least, Robb's rebellion had a really reasonable chance of victory if Arryn had rallied to the Starks and Balon Greyjoy isn't so fked up in the head enough to attack fellow separationists. What you mean had? Robb is still fighting war as far as I followed series and never lost so far. | ||
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Rayeth
United States883 Posts
Dude clearly did not have enough mental fortitude to do what was necessary. I highly doubt someone like Tywin or Tyrion would have been so distracted in his place. | ||
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TheTreeKing
United States26 Posts
On July 23 2012 21:15 Euronyme wrote: One thing though, to the guys saying Arya should be on the top smart list.. Come on, she could choose to kill literally anyone through Jaqen. She could've killed Cercei, Joffrey and Tywin and put house Lannister in a succession crisis. Instead she picked random guards and a torturer. Not exactly a towering intellect. She's just a child you might say. Well children are rarely the smartest people in the world. I thought she did that so she can kill them herself? Personal revenge type thing? But yeah, still not the smartest choice (smartest choice would for them to be good'n dead right meow). And I vouch for her intelligence because of the rest of her decisions, especially how she was able to manipulate Jaqen by naming his name. That was clever. | ||
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