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On June 06 2012 07:38 illsick wrote: great season finale, can't wait for next season.
They better explain how stannis got freed. I thought he was going to be in a dungeon or something.
why would stannis be freed? He was never captured to begin with
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On June 06 2012 07:38 illsick wrote: great season finale, can't wait for next season.
They better explain how stannis got freed. I thought he was going to be in a dungeon or something.
Stannis was never captured in the Battle of Blackwater. He was dragged by his own bannermen after they knew the battle was lost.
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On June 06 2012 06:45 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 06:27 Project Psycho wrote:On June 06 2012 06:21 Barteh wrote:On June 06 2012 06:06 StorkHwaiting wrote: Can I just say that I loooooove how the most enduring romances in GoT consist of:
1. A wincestuous relationship between Jaime and Cersei, the golden twin children of Tywin Lannister. Just think how proud Tywin must be. He has three children, a dwarven freak and a set of twins that succumbed to the utmost perversity. And now, his grandson, is a psychotic, sadistic little megalomaniac shit. Truly, Tywin must look upon his own loins in wonderment every day.
2. An arranged marriage/rape/doggystyle of Daenerys by Khal Drogo, which then flowered into a beautiful love. For love, Daenerys ate a horse's heart and Khal Drogo let a scythe that had been used to dig through a pile of corpses slice his shoulder simply to look more bad ass in front of his ho.
Whoa, did I miss where they mentioned that Tywin knows about Jaime and Cersei's relationship? I'm pretty sure he doesn't know and regards Cersei and Jaime as his perfect little children, with only Tyrion being hated on. A lot. I didnt think Tywin hated Tyrion, i thought he was quite embarrassed by him but i still had the feeling he loved him, he did after all make him the hand of the king and pretty much told him he would be running things in kings landing while he was at war. Pretty sure Tywin knows o_0. I mean, Cersei's already pretty much told Sansa and Tyrion on screen that her and Jaime were lovers. And at this point in the show, everyone knows her and Lancel have been doing the dirty. I highly doubt Tywin of all people is ignorant of his daughter's escapades. And Tywin def hates Tyrion man. Tyrion's said so many fucked up stories about how his dad's treated him and look at how his dad treated him soon as he got to King's Landing. Def wouldn't do that to a son he loves.
Yeah i know he hates him now, but that's what i feel is the problem with shows consistency, because the moment they had when he gave Tyrion control of kings landing(which was essentially the kings duties) made it seem like he loved his son quite a lot. And obviously the things that he did to him when he was younger was because he was tarnishing the Lannister name by dating a whore, he would of done the same to Jamie too.
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On June 06 2012 02:17 Quexana wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 01:51 Steveling wrote:On June 06 2012 00:45 Serejai wrote:On June 05 2012 22:46 Steveling wrote: It just so happened that the season 1 directors were that much better than the current ones You have no idea what you're talking about. The exact same director did both season finales. Any disappointment you have with this season's finale has nothing at all to do with the director. I obviously meant that last season last episode was bad as well, xP. But actually you are right, they aren't to blame. The guys writing the script and Martin are. Martin is not to blame, most of the problems people are having with the end of the 2nd season have to do with the way the show runners have deviated from Martin's book, not the way they are alike. The burning of Winterfell is a key part of the story and one that I am 100% certain will be explained next season, but it's not Martin's fault. In Martin's version of the story there was absolutely no ambiguity about who burned Winterfell and why. Also people are having problems with the Dany storyline, also not Martin's fault. The entire sequence in the House of the Undying and afterwards is different from the book to the show. Granted, I believe, it needed to be changed. The original sequence in the House of the Undying is probably unfilmable. Yet, the choices they made in how they changed it can be called into question. Overall, I think they did okay with the Dany storyline though. However you slice it though, neither of the major problems people have with the season finale is the fault of Martin.
Seriously...it fucking pisses me off when people blame Martin for shit that happens in the show. The books aren't perfect but if you haven't read them don't blame Martin for shit that goes on in the show....especially when this season has been nowhere as close to the book as the first season was.
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On June 06 2012 08:18 Project Psycho wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 06:45 StorkHwaiting wrote:On June 06 2012 06:27 Project Psycho wrote:On June 06 2012 06:21 Barteh wrote:On June 06 2012 06:06 StorkHwaiting wrote: Can I just say that I loooooove how the most enduring romances in GoT consist of:
1. A wincestuous relationship between Jaime and Cersei, the golden twin children of Tywin Lannister. Just think how proud Tywin must be. He has three children, a dwarven freak and a set of twins that succumbed to the utmost perversity. And now, his grandson, is a psychotic, sadistic little megalomaniac shit. Truly, Tywin must look upon his own loins in wonderment every day.
2. An arranged marriage/rape/doggystyle of Daenerys by Khal Drogo, which then flowered into a beautiful love. For love, Daenerys ate a horse's heart and Khal Drogo let a scythe that had been used to dig through a pile of corpses slice his shoulder simply to look more bad ass in front of his ho.
Whoa, did I miss where they mentioned that Tywin knows about Jaime and Cersei's relationship? I'm pretty sure he doesn't know and regards Cersei and Jaime as his perfect little children, with only Tyrion being hated on. A lot. I didnt think Tywin hated Tyrion, i thought he was quite embarrassed by him but i still had the feeling he loved him, he did after all make him the hand of the king and pretty much told him he would be running things in kings landing while he was at war. Pretty sure Tywin knows o_0. I mean, Cersei's already pretty much told Sansa and Tyrion on screen that her and Jaime were lovers. And at this point in the show, everyone knows her and Lancel have been doing the dirty. I highly doubt Tywin of all people is ignorant of his daughter's escapades. And Tywin def hates Tyrion man. Tyrion's said so many fucked up stories about how his dad's treated him and look at how his dad treated him soon as he got to King's Landing. Def wouldn't do that to a son he loves. Yeah i know he hates him now, but that's what i feel is the problem with shows consistency, because the moment they had when he gave Tyrion control of kings landing(which was essentially the kings duties) made it seem like he loved his son quite a lot. And obviously the things that he did to him when he was younger was because he was tarnishing the Lannister name by dating a whore, he would of done the same to Jamie too.
Uh, no, not really. Tywin was in a pretty bad position where he had to be out leading his forces against Robb, and couldn't serve as the Hand of the King himself. At that point, he certainly recognized Tyrion's intelligence, shrewd mind, and leadership capabilities, and entrusted him the duties, but that doesn't at all imply love or affection. The fact that as soon as he resumed his post as the Hand of the King that Tyrion was shunted aside is a testament to how much it was merely an arrangement of convenience.
Also, Tywin's detest for Tyrion stems deeper than him simply sleeping around with whores. He and Cersei both blame Tyrion for essentially killing his mother, for having wasted her life to bear such a misfit.
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On June 06 2012 08:27 antelope591 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 02:17 Quexana wrote:On June 06 2012 01:51 Steveling wrote:On June 06 2012 00:45 Serejai wrote:On June 05 2012 22:46 Steveling wrote: It just so happened that the season 1 directors were that much better than the current ones You have no idea what you're talking about. The exact same director did both season finales. Any disappointment you have with this season's finale has nothing at all to do with the director. I obviously meant that last season last episode was bad as well, xP. But actually you are right, they aren't to blame. The guys writing the script and Martin are. Martin is not to blame, most of the problems people are having with the end of the 2nd season have to do with the way the show runners have deviated from Martin's book, not the way they are alike. The burning of Winterfell is a key part of the story and one that I am 100% certain will be explained next season, but it's not Martin's fault. In Martin's version of the story there was absolutely no ambiguity about who burned Winterfell and why. Also people are having problems with the Dany storyline, also not Martin's fault. The entire sequence in the House of the Undying and afterwards is different from the book to the show. Granted, I believe, it needed to be changed. The original sequence in the House of the Undying is probably unfilmable. Yet, the choices they made in how they changed it can be called into question. Overall, I think they did okay with the Dany storyline though. However you slice it though, neither of the major problems people have with the season finale is the fault of Martin. Seriously...it fucking pisses me off when people blame Martin for shit that happens in the show. The books aren't perfect but if you haven't read them don't blame Martin for shit that goes on in the show....especially when this season has been nowhere as close to the book as the first season was.
The problem i have with Dany (only know the show) is that the show would work just as good whiteout her and the longer it goes the further away from the other storyparts it seems to go (well it changed in that very last episode because they can buy a ship now)... Imho they should just have scrapped most of S2 Dany...
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that and until that very moment he was kind of useless as a son. nothing but an extra small mouth to feed and drink (an assumption based on how everyone treats him because he's an imp)
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On June 06 2012 08:36 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 08:27 antelope591 wrote:On June 06 2012 02:17 Quexana wrote:On June 06 2012 01:51 Steveling wrote:On June 06 2012 00:45 Serejai wrote:On June 05 2012 22:46 Steveling wrote: It just so happened that the season 1 directors were that much better than the current ones You have no idea what you're talking about. The exact same director did both season finales. Any disappointment you have with this season's finale has nothing at all to do with the director. I obviously meant that last season last episode was bad as well, xP. But actually you are right, they aren't to blame. The guys writing the script and Martin are. Martin is not to blame, most of the problems people are having with the end of the 2nd season have to do with the way the show runners have deviated from Martin's book, not the way they are alike. The burning of Winterfell is a key part of the story and one that I am 100% certain will be explained next season, but it's not Martin's fault. In Martin's version of the story there was absolutely no ambiguity about who burned Winterfell and why. Also people are having problems with the Dany storyline, also not Martin's fault. The entire sequence in the House of the Undying and afterwards is different from the book to the show. Granted, I believe, it needed to be changed. The original sequence in the House of the Undying is probably unfilmable. Yet, the choices they made in how they changed it can be called into question. Overall, I think they did okay with the Dany storyline though. However you slice it though, neither of the major problems people have with the season finale is the fault of Martin. Seriously...it fucking pisses me off when people blame Martin for shit that happens in the show. The books aren't perfect but if you haven't read them don't blame Martin for shit that goes on in the show....especially when this season has been nowhere as close to the book as the first season was. The problem i have with Dany (only know the show) is that the show would work just as good whiteout her and the longer it goes the further away from the other storyparts it seems to go (well it changed in that very last episode because they can buy a ship now)... Imho they should just have scrapped most of S2 Dany...
and then make her miraculously appear in westeros with huge dragons years later with some random ships and random army and some other random nonsense explaning it away by "Oh hey we wrote this in for the fans. enjoy."
yeah that would have gone over well. Since she's in the show, I assume they have a plan for her in the end game. However it is, it would be kind of ridiculous to just write her in out of nowhere and make her some kind of deus ex machina for whatever her assumedly larger than average role will be.
unless she turns out to be totally useless. then im sure we would all agree >.> except she looks pretty good naked. and with clothes too.
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Did the White Walkers spare the fat guy (forgot his name >_<) or did they just not show the killing? If the answer is something that has to do with the plot later on so it's a spoiler-like answer I don't wanna know what happened and what's gonna happen next. ^^
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Im pretty sure thats one of the huge cliff hangers for the season..
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You think? He has been pretty irrelevant plot-vise both seasons and his life doesn't really make justice of a season cliff hanger.
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I'm inclined to believe that Tywin does not know about his daughter and son's incest. No one pretty much knew until near the end of Season 1. It's been told that Joffrey is not the rightful heir, but it's never told to the public directly that he's the offspring of Cersei and Jaime. Additionally, Tywin has been busy doing his own thing / war campaign. If by some chance that this news did somehow reach his ears, he would probably dismiss it as rumors trying to de-legitimize his grandson's claim to the throne. He's probably too used to thinking of Joffrey as Robert's son for years that he's not willing to give a grain of concern about "rumors" he might hear during his war campaign.
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On June 06 2012 08:27 antelope591 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 02:17 Quexana wrote:On June 06 2012 01:51 Steveling wrote:On June 06 2012 00:45 Serejai wrote:On June 05 2012 22:46 Steveling wrote: It just so happened that the season 1 directors were that much better than the current ones You have no idea what you're talking about. The exact same director did both season finales. Any disappointment you have with this season's finale has nothing at all to do with the director. I obviously meant that last season last episode was bad as well, xP. But actually you are right, they aren't to blame. The guys writing the script and Martin are. Martin is not to blame, most of the problems people are having with the end of the 2nd season have to do with the way the show runners have deviated from Martin's book, not the way they are alike. The burning of Winterfell is a key part of the story and one that I am 100% certain will be explained next season, but it's not Martin's fault. In Martin's version of the story there was absolutely no ambiguity about who burned Winterfell and why. Also people are having problems with the Dany storyline, also not Martin's fault. The entire sequence in the House of the Undying and afterwards is different from the book to the show. Granted, I believe, it needed to be changed. The original sequence in the House of the Undying is probably unfilmable. Yet, the choices they made in how they changed it can be called into question. Overall, I think they did okay with the Dany storyline though. However you slice it though, neither of the major problems people have with the season finale is the fault of Martin. Seriously...it fucking pisses me off when people blame Martin for shit that happens in the show. The books aren't perfect but if you haven't read them don't blame Martin for shit that goes on in the show....especially when this season has been nowhere as close to the book as the first season was.
LOL.
•You also wrote an episode, right? I wrote episode 8. It is the episode where everything comes to the boil at the Landing. I titled it “The Pointy End.” It’s got the aftermath of the fight for power. I enjoyed writing it. It had been like a decade since I’d written a screenplay. Fortunately, I did remember how to do it. The biggest adjustment was the software has changed. It was easy in this case, because David and Dan are being quite faithful. It was a process of taking scenes from the book and putting them in script form. Even with ten hours [in the entire season], you can’t get in every line.
And obviously they consult him for everything. So yeah, he is to blame as well.
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On June 06 2012 08:27 antelope591 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 02:17 Quexana wrote:On June 06 2012 01:51 Steveling wrote:On June 06 2012 00:45 Serejai wrote:On June 05 2012 22:46 Steveling wrote: It just so happened that the season 1 directors were that much better than the current ones You have no idea what you're talking about. The exact same director did both season finales. Any disappointment you have with this season's finale has nothing at all to do with the director. I obviously meant that last season last episode was bad as well, xP. But actually you are right, they aren't to blame. The guys writing the script and Martin are. Martin is not to blame, most of the problems people are having with the end of the 2nd season have to do with the way the show runners have deviated from Martin's book, not the way they are alike. The burning of Winterfell is a key part of the story and one that I am 100% certain will be explained next season, but it's not Martin's fault. In Martin's version of the story there was absolutely no ambiguity about who burned Winterfell and why. Also people are having problems with the Dany storyline, also not Martin's fault. The entire sequence in the House of the Undying and afterwards is different from the book to the show. Granted, I believe, it needed to be changed. The original sequence in the House of the Undying is probably unfilmable. Yet, the choices they made in how they changed it can be called into question. Overall, I think they did okay with the Dany storyline though. However you slice it though, neither of the major problems people have with the season finale is the fault of Martin. Seriously...it fucking pisses me off when people blame Martin for shit that happens in the show. The books aren't perfect but if you haven't read them don't blame Martin for shit that goes on in the show....especially when this season has been nowhere as close to the book as the first season was.
Seriously? Martin is to blame for at least most of Dany's stale storyline in the second season. Nothing of value happens either way, until the very end, which as you said, is hard to film.
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what is far more annoying is people calling the obviously cliff hangers "plot holes" and "mistakes"
loooool
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On June 06 2012 08:47 Gosi wrote: Did the White Walkers spare the fat guy (forgot his name >_<) or did they just not show the killing? If the answer is something that has to do with the plot later on so it's a spoiler-like answer I don't wanna know what happened and what's gonna happen next. ^^ Your question is def spoiler asking , so.. And his name is Samwell Tarly -Sam, I love him , as many as another characters from the book , greatly shown in this movie
I wanted to see Mance 's army, tho , we got only a glimpse on that valley, I am sure that is as big threat to The Wall , as the white walkers army, but we will see. Great season finale, great series ,more awesome dragons I want 
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On June 06 2012 08:57 GhostOwl wrote: I'm inclined to believe that Tywin does not know about his daughter and son's incest. No one pretty much knew until near the end of Season 1. It's been told that Joffrey is not the rightful heir, but it's never told to the public directly that he's the offspring of Cersei and Jaime. Additionally, Tywin has been busy doing his own thing / war campaign. If by some chance that this news did somehow reach his ears, he would probably dismiss it as rumors trying to de-legitimize his grandson's claim to the throne. He's probably too used to thinking of Joffrey as Robert's son for years that he's not willing to give a grain of concern about "rumors" he might hear during his war campaign. I very much doubt it. Tywin is the man he is today due to an astute mind. My assumption is that he's assessed the situation, concluded that Joffrey on the throne serves Lannister interests and simply doesn't care beyond that.
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On June 06 2012 09:27 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 08:57 GhostOwl wrote: I'm inclined to believe that Tywin does not know about his daughter and son's incest. No one pretty much knew until near the end of Season 1. It's been told that Joffrey is not the rightful heir, but it's never told to the public directly that he's the offspring of Cersei and Jaime. Additionally, Tywin has been busy doing his own thing / war campaign. If by some chance that this news did somehow reach his ears, he would probably dismiss it as rumors trying to de-legitimize his grandson's claim to the throne. He's probably too used to thinking of Joffrey as Robert's son for years that he's not willing to give a grain of concern about "rumors" he might hear during his war campaign. I very much doubt it. Tywin is the man he is today due to an astute mind. My assumption is that he's assessed the situation, concluded that Joffrey on the throne serves Lannister interests and simply doesn't care beyond that.
I agree. Tywin doesnt care that Joffrey is a cruel sadistic incest resulted bastard, - for him , he is the king.
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On June 06 2012 09:37 Kamate wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 09:27 KwarK wrote:On June 06 2012 08:57 GhostOwl wrote: I'm inclined to believe that Tywin does not know about his daughter and son's incest. No one pretty much knew until near the end of Season 1. It's been told that Joffrey is not the rightful heir, but it's never told to the public directly that he's the offspring of Cersei and Jaime. Additionally, Tywin has been busy doing his own thing / war campaign. If by some chance that this news did somehow reach his ears, he would probably dismiss it as rumors trying to de-legitimize his grandson's claim to the throne. He's probably too used to thinking of Joffrey as Robert's son for years that he's not willing to give a grain of concern about "rumors" he might hear during his war campaign. I very much doubt it. Tywin is the man he is today due to an astute mind. My assumption is that he's assessed the situation, concluded that Joffrey on the throne serves Lannister interests and simply doesn't care beyond that. I agree. Tywin doesnt care that Joffrey is a cruel sadistic incest resulted bastard, - for him , he is the king.
Tywin is the family first guy, he told Tyrion to control Cersie and Joffer Cake.
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On June 06 2012 09:27 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 08:57 GhostOwl wrote: I'm inclined to believe that Tywin does not know about his daughter and son's incest. No one pretty much knew until near the end of Season 1. It's been told that Joffrey is not the rightful heir, but it's never told to the public directly that he's the offspring of Cersei and Jaime. Additionally, Tywin has been busy doing his own thing / war campaign. If by some chance that this news did somehow reach his ears, he would probably dismiss it as rumors trying to de-legitimize his grandson's claim to the throne. He's probably too used to thinking of Joffrey as Robert's son for years that he's not willing to give a grain of concern about "rumors" he might hear during his war campaign. I very much doubt it. Tywin is the man he is today due to an astute mind. My assumption is that he's assessed the situation, concluded that Joffrey on the throne serves Lannister interests and simply doesn't care beyond that. Stannis early on says he won't echo Ned Stark's mistake and sends ravens informing everyone of Joffrey's parentage. It's part of why Joffrey ordered Robert's bastards.
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