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Kamate
Romania580 Posts
On June 06 2012 09:39 Antisocialmunky wrote: Tywin is the family first guy, he told Tyrion to control Cersie and Joffer Cake. Sure ,but, as his horse drop showed us , he doesnt highly regards the king , but I guess for him is still the king. In my opinion | ||
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mmp
United States2130 Posts
On June 06 2012 08:27 antelope591 wrote: Seriously...it fucking pisses me off when people blame Martin for shit that happens in the show. The books aren't perfect but if you haven't read them don't blame Martin for shit that goes on in the show....especially when this season has been nowhere as close to the book as the first season was. GRRM doesn't need fans to defend him. He already has truckloads of money from the promo that GoT has brought ASoIaF. He doesn't care. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On June 06 2012 10:08 mmp wrote: GRRM doesn't need fans to defend him. He already has truckloads of money from the promo that GoT has brought ASoIaF. He doesn't care. Because money = everything, right?? | ||
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mskaa
Denmark155 Posts
Are we gonna get some sort of flashback or something to explain this in the next season? I = CONFUSED otherwise - awesome, awesome, awesome show | ||
KwarK
United States44453 Posts
On June 06 2012 10:15 mskaa wrote: Am i the only one completely baffled about the burning of winterfell? It was my understanding that the greyjoy guys would just give the 500 stark followers Theon and that would be it, no fighting.. Then, skip to Bran and co coming out of hiding and the whole castle is burning and theres no trace of the 500 men that came to save them? What the hell? Are we gonna get some sort of flashback or something to explain this in the next season? I = CONFUSED otherwise - awesome, awesome, awesome show Your confusion is intentional. We shall have to trust that it'll be explained in a year. | ||
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Quexana
98 Posts
On June 06 2012 08:36 Velr wrote: The problem i have with Dany (only know the show) is that the show would work just as good whiteout her and the longer it goes the further away from the other storyparts it seems to go (well it changed in that very last episode because they can buy a ship now)... Imho they should just have scrapped most of S2 Dany... Dany is one of my least favorite characters. And to a certain extent I agree with you. In some ways the show would be better off without her storyline. Her storyline does serve a major purpose though. Remember her brother, Viserys. He wouldn't have known what to do with the Iron Throne even if he had managed to win it. At best, he would have been another Joffrey, More likely though, he would have been just as cruel, but somehow, even less competant. Robert Baratheon won the Iron Throne by force, and though he wasn't as cruel, he was also a bad ruler. One of the major themes of the story is that great conquerers often make bad Kings. They're two different skill sets. Just because you are good at one does not make you good at the other. Take Tyrion for example, he wouldn't have made a very good conquerer, but he was a very effective ruler during his time as hand of the king. Dany's storyline is all about her learning the skills to be a ruler should she win the Iron Throne. As her dragons grow, so must she grow as a leader of her people, else she just be another bad monarch. It's not as sexy a storyline as many in the show, Also, it's a storyline that isn't so much about how she shapes events as it is about how events shape her. That also makes it less sexy, but it's very important in serving as a contrast to the people who are fighting in Westeros, who seem to want power for power's sake (Joffrey and Cercei), or because they feel wronged (Robb), or because they think it's their divine right (Stannis), but don't have any ideas or plans for the day after the war is over. | ||
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GhostOwl
766 Posts
On June 06 2012 09:27 KwarK wrote: I very much doubt it. Tywin is the man he is today due to an astute mind. My assumption is that he's assessed the situation, concluded that Joffrey on the throne serves Lannister interests and simply doesn't care beyond that. You bring up a point that I never disputed. Yeah he sees Joffrey as a puppet-king that serves Lannister interests, when did I ever say otherwise? I just said that de-legitimizing his grandson's claim to the throne is bad news for Twyin because he wants Joffrey there to rule as a puppet-king | ||
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LuisArcadia
Brazil16 Posts
On June 06 2012 10:15 mskaa wrote: Am i the only one completely baffled about the burning of winterfell? It was my understanding that the greyjoy guys would just give the 500 stark followers Theon and that would be it, no fighting.. Then, skip to Bran and co coming out of hiding and the whole castle is burning and theres no trace of the 500 men that came to save them? What the hell? Are we gonna get some sort of flashback or something to explain this in the next season? I = CONFUSED otherwise - awesome, awesome, awesome show For me it is simple: the northern army Robb sent simply sacked Winterfell even with the Ironborn surrender. They were not sent to save Brann, they were sent to take Winterfell, and taking a city also means a lot of loot, lol. In ancient and medieval times it wasn't unusual for armies to sack cities that did not belong to their enemies, and sacking was many times the only payment soldiers had. Even until our days we hear about soldiers killing civilians just because they can. I believe it was not explained now so it can be resolved next season, and will probably create a conflict between Robb and the bannerman who sent his bastard. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On June 06 2012 10:29 LuisArcadia wrote: For me it is simple: the northern army Robb sent simply sacked Winterfell even with the Ironborn surrender. They were not sent to save Brann, they were sent to take Winterfell, and taking a city also means a lot of loot, lol. In ancient and medieval times it wasn't unusual for armies to sack cities that did not belong to their enemies, and sacking was many times the only payment soldiers had. Even until our days we hear about soldiers killing civilians just because they can. I believe it was not explained now so it can be resolved next season, and will probably create a conflict between Robb and the bannerman who sent his bastard. Tell me when it was usual to sack the capital city of your country that you are trying to take back for your king | ||
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LuisArcadia
Brazil16 Posts
On June 06 2012 10:55 OutlaW- wrote: Tell me when it was usual to sack the capital city of your country that you are trying to take back for your king I happened a lot during the Crusades, for example. Like the Siege of Zara: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Zara. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On June 06 2012 10:19 Quexana wrote: , but it's very important in serving as a contrast to the people who are fighting in Westeros, who seem to want power for power's sake (Joffrey and Cercei), or because they feel wronged (Robb), or because they think it's their divine right (Stannis), but don't have any ideas or plans for the day after the war is over. As opposed to Dany whose only claim to the throne was something her great great great grandfather did once a long time ago. The fact that she caught a lucky break because she happened to have found the one mage in the world who can sort-of-re animate the dead just enough to drive Dany insane with sadness and to suicide in a very impractical way but ultimately led the lucky break of birthing dragons for the first time in forever. Drago doesnt die, Danny carries around 3 rocks and moves around with a horde of horsemen who invade westeros because, again, Dannys great great great great great ancestor did it. But even with her great dragons, so what? dragons will inbreed, die out. And danny claims these are her only children, therefore once she dies the dragons go around doing whatever it is that wild dragons do while some distant relation of Danny claims the throne and back to square 1 we go. The only people who get it right in that world are the wildlings, as they practice democracy. And Arya, because she is badass. | ||
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
On June 06 2012 10:08 mmp wrote: GRRM doesn't need fans to defend him. He already has truckloads of money from the promo that GoT has brought ASoIaF. He doesn't care. Meh I don't really care about defending GRM...ignorance just annoys me | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6668 Posts
On June 06 2012 10:29 LuisArcadia wrote: For me it is simple: the northern army Robb sent simply sacked Winterfell even with the Ironborn surrender. They were not sent to save Brann, they were sent to take Winterfell, and taking a city also means a lot of loot, lol. In ancient and medieval times it wasn't unusual for armies to sack cities that did not belong to their enemies, and sacking was many times the only payment soldiers had. Even until our days we hear about soldiers killing civilians just because they can. I believe it was not explained now so it can be resolved next season, and will probably create a conflict between Robb and the bannerman who sent his bastard. Looting yea maybe, but burning the city to the ground... I don't think they would do that. Not when they were ordered there essentially by Robb Stark(He ordered the father of the bastard etc.) Would it have been possible for the iron islanders to loot and burn it before escaping before the army moved in? Who says they gave up? I think they sacked the place and fled through the secret tunnels the old man was telling Theon about. | ||
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wangstra
922 Posts
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Serejai
6007 Posts
You have to keep in mind that GoT is ten hours long and working on a budget that's less than half what a 90 minute Hollywood movie gets. Filming on location in multiple countries is going to eat that up REALLY quickly. They simply wouldn't be able to afford more episodes without an increased budget. They actually got a 15% larger budget for S2 to use on Episode 9. The problem is there's no way to really know how much HBO is making off the show. Numbers are good but unlike a movie they aren't making money based on numbers. A lot of people that watch it already have HBO for other reasons so they're getting zero extra income there. For all we know HBO is breaking even at best on the series and only making profit from the DVD/Bluray sales (which can't really be predicted beforehand and thus you can't budget based on those figures). | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
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LuisArcadia
Brazil16 Posts
On June 06 2012 11:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Looting yea maybe, but burning the city to the ground... I don't think they would do that. Not when they were ordered there essentially by Robb Stark(He ordered the father of the bastard etc.) Would it have been possible for the iron islanders to loot and burn it before escaping before the army moved in? Who says they gave up? I think they sacked the place and fled through the secret tunnels the old man was telling Theon about. That is possible, I agree. But if I remerber correctly it was not Robb's idea to send the bastard. Robb wanted to march all the way back to take Winterfell himself. It was the bannerman's initiative to send his son, and Robb accepted it reluctantly. There must be some kind of foreshadowing going on, lol. At least for me these details are not gratuitous, specially in good storytelling like in this TV show. Or it can be that I just speculate too much, lol. | ||
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Archers_bane
United States1338 Posts
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eNtitY~
United States1293 Posts
On June 06 2012 11:51 Archers_bane wrote: Isn't GoT the most pirated HBO series right now? Or maybe series overall? HBO series easily, last year it was the 2nd most pirated series just behind Dexter. This year I bet it'll be first. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
You can also watch it on national television (free, no commercials) which only got a deal with HBO just recently, so they're still on season 1. Sadly not gonna happen as I'm the kind of person who wakes up early at 5AM and wait for it to be available. Wouldn't mind paying for it, but fuck they need to deliver in that case, and I don't want to buy a new TV channel for a year to watch 10 episodes. Piracy is sadly the only option that delivers to it's customers. Sorry for derailing, but I had an impulse to defend pirates =/ | ||
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