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Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 16:17:49
June 06 2012 16:16 GMT
#11701
On June 06 2012 16:19 0x64 wrote:
You have a TV show with Lannisters, you are sitting on a pile of gold!
TV people are really incompetent and slow to react.
Sell the right to live publication of the episodes outside the USA and make 10x more.
They are scared of losing deals selling other shows which is bullshit. The shows are bought based on their quality.
It's been 10 years and still no reaction. Music industry started to react 5 years ealier and we know how slow they are.

its nothing new that the content industry is clinging to an outdated national business model in a globally connected world.

I believe it's the cable companies that are scared shitless of the internet. If HBO would produce their content on the web for ppl that didn't pay the cable companies (HBO Go is only for cable subscribers) then HBO would get dropped from cables. and HBO would get fucked. Blame the cable companies not HBO. They're right to be scared, i've never ever payed for cable, the internet is so much better as content consumption in every way shape or form. Cable companies have their days numbered unless they innovate.

Let them cling to the past while i get everything for free i don't mind.
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 16:19:24
June 06 2012 16:16 GMT
#11702
On June 07 2012 00:59 oGoZenob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 00:44 bailando wrote:
btw the rock where sam is dissapeared when the camera got out.

i wonder why they didnt kill him.

i tought the rock get lost in the fog, i should watch it again ^^
I think they kept him alive because they want witnesses, they want fear to grow inside every man in the wall. I think that's why they don't kill him, and the guy in S1x01


That still doesn't make much sense though. It would be (strategically) much better to get whatever corpses they can from the patrols sent out and from the wildlings, and then go for a full assault on the wall and breach the gate somehow.
If they make their great numbers known, and for instance Ned still was hand of the king, they'd be royally fucked by the gathered armies of westeros(?)
They have no clue of the political landscape in Westeros, but they're blindly counting on that the men in black won't get reinforcements.

For some reason I really enjoy calling the night's watch 'men in black' ^^

For some reason or another they're still sparing people. I doubt it has anything to do with strategy though. I'd rather think they're kind of selective in their killing. The wildlings must've survived the last winter stuck out in the woods that was filled with zombies and walkers.
So far there's been no real explanation of what the white walkers really are, so it's very hard to actually figure out what their motives are.

Edit. I'm actually fully prepared to theorycraft what happened to winterfell etc, for a year until the next season airs, to keep excitement up ^^
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
June 06 2012 18:11 GMT
#11703
Last chapter seemed more like a bridge chapter than a real finale. The previous chapter will always be in my heart as the real season finale. All the tension that had been built up on the inminent clash ended up with such an intense episode.

What an excellent TV Show, can't wait for the next season!
Freedom is a stranger
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 18:35:04
June 06 2012 18:19 GMT
#11704
Hmm.. I just noticed Theon Grayjoy and Luke Skywalker are quite similar..
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Edit. One weird thing I came to think of as well. D'you remember when Arya named the assassin guy? She said his name, so that he would have to kill himself right?
However - that's not his real name! How does that work out?
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
Sandtrout
Profile Joined July 2011
243 Posts
June 06 2012 18:37 GMT
#11705
On June 07 2012 03:19 Euronyme wrote:
Edit. One weird thing I came to think of as well. D'you remember when Arya named the assassin guy? She said his name, so that he would have to kill himself right?
However - that's not his real name! How does that work out?


It seems like she doesn't need to say the real name, since Tickler was sufficient as well. It was clear who she meant, so he would have to do it.
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
June 06 2012 18:40 GMT
#11706
On June 07 2012 03:37 Sandtrout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 03:19 Euronyme wrote:
Edit. One weird thing I came to think of as well. D'you remember when Arya named the assassin guy? She said his name, so that he would have to kill himself right?
However - that's not his real name! How does that work out?


It seems like she doesn't need to say the real name, since Tickler was sufficient as well. It was clear who she meant, so he would have to do it.


Oh yeah.. that's right.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
IamVirGin
Profile Joined March 2012
119 Posts
June 06 2012 18:43 GMT
#11707
On June 07 2012 01:05 KainiT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 16:19 0x64 wrote:
You have a TV show with Lannisters, you are sitting on a pile of gold!
TV people are really incompetent and slow to react.
Sell the right to live publication of the episodes outside the USA and make 10x more.
They are scared of losing deals selling other shows which is bullshit. The shows are bought based on their quality.
It's been 10 years and still no reaction. Music industry started to react 5 years ealier and we know how slow they are.



it's not like the production company can decide that, HBO ordered the show and has all rights on it, I am not that sure what you wanted to say but if you meant, that they shouldn't only sell to HBO your statement makes no sense cause HBO bought all rights before the series was even produced


HBO IS the production company.
CursedRich
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom737 Posts
June 06 2012 19:37 GMT
#11708
On June 06 2012 16:18 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 12:53 Dgtl wrote:
On June 06 2012 12:45 Euronyme wrote:
Yup, I have to admit I pirate it. In Sweden it's run on a pay channel that's complete crap (there's no HBO channel) and it's currently on season 2 episode 6...
You can also watch it on national television (free, no commercials) which only got a deal with HBO just recently, so they're still on season 1.
Sadly not gonna happen as I'm the kind of person who wakes up early at 5AM and wait for it to be available.
Wouldn't mind paying for it, but fuck they need to deliver in that case, and I don't want to buy a new TV channel for a year to watch 10 episodes.
Piracy is sadly the only option that delivers to it's customers.
Sorry for derailing, but I had an impulse to defend pirates =/

Your point is valid. It is much, much easier to pirate Game of Thrones then pay for it. This is without taking the extra cost that you have to pay to not pirate it into consideration. People are willing to pay for Game of Thrones, but the current system for doing so is just horrible!



Thast the problem with the whole movie/music-industry...
Somehow pirating is cheaper, easyer and faster than purchasing their products.

And thats why i don't see anything wrong with that industry going up in flames.. Their business model is just not sustainable anymore... I would gladly pay, but not as long as it's harder to do so than pirating it...


Just WTF? If you don't pay they won't be able to watch stuff like this anymore is that so hard to understand?

Its easier to walk into a store and steal something than it is to go to the counter and pay for it?!!!!!!!
Chill Winston......
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
June 06 2012 19:45 GMT
#11709
On June 07 2012 04:37 CursedRich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 16:18 Velr wrote:
On June 06 2012 12:53 Dgtl wrote:
On June 06 2012 12:45 Euronyme wrote:
Yup, I have to admit I pirate it. In Sweden it's run on a pay channel that's complete crap (there's no HBO channel) and it's currently on season 2 episode 6...
You can also watch it on national television (free, no commercials) which only got a deal with HBO just recently, so they're still on season 1.
Sadly not gonna happen as I'm the kind of person who wakes up early at 5AM and wait for it to be available.
Wouldn't mind paying for it, but fuck they need to deliver in that case, and I don't want to buy a new TV channel for a year to watch 10 episodes.
Piracy is sadly the only option that delivers to it's customers.
Sorry for derailing, but I had an impulse to defend pirates =/

Your point is valid. It is much, much easier to pirate Game of Thrones then pay for it. This is without taking the extra cost that you have to pay to not pirate it into consideration. People are willing to pay for Game of Thrones, but the current system for doing so is just horrible!



Thast the problem with the whole movie/music-industry...
Somehow pirating is cheaper, easyer and faster than purchasing their products.

And thats why i don't see anything wrong with that industry going up in flames.. Their business model is just not sustainable anymore... I would gladly pay, but not as long as it's harder to do so than pirating it...


Just WTF? If you don't pay they won't be able to watch stuff like this anymore is that so hard to understand?

Its easier to walk into a store and steal something than it is to go to the counter and pay for it?!!!!!!!



What? No it isn't. If it was, theft would be rampant. One of the main reasons that theft isn't incredibly rampant is because you make it significantly more difficult to steal and get away with it than it is to just buy the product.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8267 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 19:53:42
June 06 2012 19:52 GMT
#11710
On June 07 2012 04:37 CursedRich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 16:18 Velr wrote:
On June 06 2012 12:53 Dgtl wrote:
On June 06 2012 12:45 Euronyme wrote:
Yup, I have to admit I pirate it. In Sweden it's run on a pay channel that's complete crap (there's no HBO channel) and it's currently on season 2 episode 6...
You can also watch it on national television (free, no commercials) which only got a deal with HBO just recently, so they're still on season 1.
Sadly not gonna happen as I'm the kind of person who wakes up early at 5AM and wait for it to be available.
Wouldn't mind paying for it, but fuck they need to deliver in that case, and I don't want to buy a new TV channel for a year to watch 10 episodes.
Piracy is sadly the only option that delivers to it's customers.
Sorry for derailing, but I had an impulse to defend pirates =/

Your point is valid. It is much, much easier to pirate Game of Thrones then pay for it. This is without taking the extra cost that you have to pay to not pirate it into consideration. People are willing to pay for Game of Thrones, but the current system for doing so is just horrible!



Thast the problem with the whole movie/music-industry...
Somehow pirating is cheaper, easyer and faster than purchasing their products.

And thats why i don't see anything wrong with that industry going up in flames.. Their business model is just not sustainable anymore... I would gladly pay, but not as long as it's harder to do so than pirating it...


Just WTF? If you don't pay they won't be able to watch stuff like this anymore is that so hard to understand?

Its easier to walk into a store and steal something than it is to go to the counter and pay for it?!!!!!!!


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


This is exactly what its like for 99% of us (with the exception of the last part. My internet is actually quite fast). How in the world can you not understand that its so much easier to click on 2 buttons to get the show, than having to go through massive amounts of pain to pay for it? Most of us dedicated fans will still buy the DVDs when they come out, so HBO still earns on it. But don't you dare try to crucify us for not paying to watch the show directly.
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
June 06 2012 19:57 GMT
#11711
Let's move away from the piracy discussion as it doesn't really belong here.
Instead marvel of my Luke Skywalker find!
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
frogrubdown
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1266 Posts
June 06 2012 19:58 GMT
#11712
On June 07 2012 04:45 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 04:37 CursedRich wrote:
On June 06 2012 16:18 Velr wrote:
On June 06 2012 12:53 Dgtl wrote:
On June 06 2012 12:45 Euronyme wrote:
Yup, I have to admit I pirate it. In Sweden it's run on a pay channel that's complete crap (there's no HBO channel) and it's currently on season 2 episode 6...
You can also watch it on national television (free, no commercials) which only got a deal with HBO just recently, so they're still on season 1.
Sadly not gonna happen as I'm the kind of person who wakes up early at 5AM and wait for it to be available.
Wouldn't mind paying for it, but fuck they need to deliver in that case, and I don't want to buy a new TV channel for a year to watch 10 episodes.
Piracy is sadly the only option that delivers to it's customers.
Sorry for derailing, but I had an impulse to defend pirates =/

Your point is valid. It is much, much easier to pirate Game of Thrones then pay for it. This is without taking the extra cost that you have to pay to not pirate it into consideration. People are willing to pay for Game of Thrones, but the current system for doing so is just horrible!



Thast the problem with the whole movie/music-industry...
Somehow pirating is cheaper, easyer and faster than purchasing their products.

And thats why i don't see anything wrong with that industry going up in flames.. Their business model is just not sustainable anymore... I would gladly pay, but not as long as it's harder to do so than pirating it...


Just WTF? If you don't pay they won't be able to watch stuff like this anymore is that so hard to understand?

Its easier to walk into a store and steal something than it is to go to the counter and pay for it?!!!!!!!



What? No it isn't. If it was, theft would be rampant. One of the main reasons that theft isn't incredibly rampant is because you make it significantly more difficult to steal and get away with it than it is to just buy the product.


Unless you've gone several layers too deep in sarcasm, someone should tell you that the line you're responding to was a rhetorical question (note the question mark preceding the exclamation points).
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
June 06 2012 20:05 GMT
#11713
On June 07 2012 04:37 CursedRich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 16:18 Velr wrote:
On June 06 2012 12:53 Dgtl wrote:
On June 06 2012 12:45 Euronyme wrote:
Yup, I have to admit I pirate it. In Sweden it's run on a pay channel that's complete crap (there's no HBO channel) and it's currently on season 2 episode 6...
You can also watch it on national television (free, no commercials) which only got a deal with HBO just recently, so they're still on season 1.
Sadly not gonna happen as I'm the kind of person who wakes up early at 5AM and wait for it to be available.
Wouldn't mind paying for it, but fuck they need to deliver in that case, and I don't want to buy a new TV channel for a year to watch 10 episodes.
Piracy is sadly the only option that delivers to it's customers.
Sorry for derailing, but I had an impulse to defend pirates =/

Your point is valid. It is much, much easier to pirate Game of Thrones then pay for it. This is without taking the extra cost that you have to pay to not pirate it into consideration. People are willing to pay for Game of Thrones, but the current system for doing so is just horrible!



Thast the problem with the whole movie/music-industry...
Somehow pirating is cheaper, easyer and faster than purchasing their products.

And thats why i don't see anything wrong with that industry going up in flames.. Their business model is just not sustainable anymore... I would gladly pay, but not as long as it's harder to do so than pirating it...


Just WTF? If you don't pay they won't be able to watch stuff like this anymore is that so hard to understand?

Its easier to walk into a store and steal something than it is to go to the counter and pay for it?!!!!!!!


You're missing the point. People would gladly pay for a product if it wasn't so impossible and convoluted to do so; this is why Netflix works. Money is not the issue, ease of access is.
Hittomogasin
Profile Joined September 2011
Finland80 Posts
June 06 2012 20:32 GMT
#11714
On June 06 2012 11:26 Serejai wrote:
Limiting to ten episodes has nothing at all to do with trying to cram the books in. It's all about budget.

You have to keep in mind that GoT is ten hours long and working on a budget that's less than half what a 90 minute Hollywood movie gets. Filming on location in multiple countries is going to eat that up REALLY quickly. They simply wouldn't be able to afford more episodes without an increased budget. They actually got a 15% larger budget for S2 to use on Episode 9.

The problem is there's no way to really know how much HBO is making off the show. Numbers are good but unlike a movie they aren't making money based on numbers. A lot of people that watch it already have HBO for other reasons so they're getting zero extra income there. For all we know HBO is breaking even at best on the series and only making profit from the DVD/Bluray sales (which can't really be predicted beforehand and thus you can't budget based on those figures).


You could make 10 seasons, 1 book if the book had enough material. I can come up with 2 reasons why they might be cramming the story in such a small package: Risk of having boring show and wanting to finish the series in timely manner. In this case cramming big, eventful books into single season is very damaging to the storyline.
Another is that with such a many important characters you need large amount of actors for relatively small periods of screen time. With small pudget this could be the worst problem they would have.

My ignorant, personal feeling is that the show is doing great. Is it really that hard to increase the pudget for this show? Is this yet another example of attempting to max the profit? Is it laziness? Is the show actually too expencive to produce? I dont know, but having read the books, i think that the show - as great as it is even in its current form - is not doing justice to the books by leaving alot of the story out or deviating from it too much.

I love what i see, but as soon as the end credits start rolling i start to think about the lost potential. Its a bitter feeling.
Trolling: mental illness or acceptable social phenomena?
Kojaimea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom277 Posts
June 06 2012 21:04 GMT
#11715
A quick question from the last show.

What happened at Winterfell? I believe I'm right in thinking that the 20 guys managed to escape unharmed past a Stark army of 500 by way of the secret tunnels, but then where did the Stark army go? Would they not reclaim their castle, or at least stick around long enough to stop it burning, check for survivors etc.

All in all, great series again!
The riverbed, dried-up, half full of leaves. Us, listening to a river in the trees.
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 21:10:42
June 06 2012 21:07 GMT
#11716
On June 07 2012 06:04 Kojaimea wrote:
A quick question from the last show.

What happened at Winterfell? I believe I'm right in thinking that the 20 guys managed to escape unharmed past a Stark army of 500 by way of the secret tunnels, but then where did the Stark army go? Would they not reclaim their castle, or at least stick around long enough to stop it burning, check for survivors etc.

All in all, great series again!



The northmen were Bolten men(They are men under a bannerman of Robbs, but they are not "Stark" men.) from the Dreadfort, and were told to give an offer to the ironborn saying they can all go home if they give up Theon.

So the northmen met with a few of the Ironborn, gave them the offer and they accepted. As to why the fort was burned there can only be ONE option, and that was the Bolten men burned it down.

If you follow the show carefully and pay attention to what is said there is no other option.

Also, the only people that know of the tunnels in Winterfell are Theon and the Maester. The Maester only told Theon for a reason, but Theon decided against running and was prepared to go out to die in battle, so there is no way the Ironborn left Winterfell without using the offer of Theon for safe passage out.
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3368 Posts
June 06 2012 21:13 GMT
#11717
On June 07 2012 06:07 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 06:04 Kojaimea wrote:
A quick question from the last show.

What happened at Winterfell? I believe I'm right in thinking that the 20 guys managed to escape unharmed past a Stark army of 500 by way of the secret tunnels, but then where did the Stark army go? Would they not reclaim their castle, or at least stick around long enough to stop it burning, check for survivors etc.

All in all, great series again!



The northmen were Bolten men(They are men under a bannerman of Robbs, but they are not "Stark" men.) from the Dreadfort, and were told to give an offer to the ironborn saying they can all go home if they give up Theon.

So the northmen met with a few of the Ironborn, gave them the offer and they accepted. As to why the fort was burned there can only be ONE option, and that was the Bolten men burned it down.

If you follow the show carefully and pay attention to what is said there is no other option.

Also, the only people that know of the tunnels in Winterfell are Theon and the Maester. The Maester only told Theon for a reason, but Theon decided against running and was prepared to go out to die in battle, so there is no way the Ironborn left Winterfell without using the offer of Theon for safe passage out.

Technically no, not the way the show had shown it. The last scene with the Ironmen was them being complete dicks, so it could easily have been them who burned it down, as they did not show anyone starting the fire, or the Ironmen leaving the castle immediately, or the Bolten's in/around the castle.

But the books tell you.
So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
bahunto28
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada262 Posts
June 06 2012 21:20 GMT
#11718
On June 07 2012 03:19 Euronyme wrote:
Hmm.. I just noticed Theon Grayjoy and Luke Skywalker are quite similar..
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
[image loading]


Edit. One weird thing I came to think of as well. D'you remember when Arya named the assassin guy? She said his name, so that he would have to kill himself right?
However - that's not his real name! How does that work out?



i always thought he looked more like malcolm mcdowell from clockwork orange (older film most prob haven't seen).

http://www.onuryasar.com/blog-en/tag/malcolm-mcdowell/
meh
Kojaimea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom277 Posts
June 06 2012 21:24 GMT
#11719
On June 07 2012 06:13 Body_Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 06:07 N3rV[Green] wrote:
On June 07 2012 06:04 Kojaimea wrote:
A quick question from the last show.

What happened at Winterfell? I believe I'm right in thinking that the 20 guys managed to escape unharmed past a Stark army of 500 by way of the secret tunnels, but then where did the Stark army go? Would they not reclaim their castle, or at least stick around long enough to stop it burning, check for survivors etc.

All in all, great series again!



The northmen were Bolten men(They are men under a bannerman of Robbs, but they are not "Stark" men.) from the Dreadfort, and were told to give an offer to the ironborn saying they can all go home if they give up Theon.

So the northmen met with a few of the Ironborn, gave them the offer and they accepted. As to why the fort was burned there can only be ONE option, and that was the Bolten men burned it down.

If you follow the show carefully and pay attention to what is said there is no other option.

Also, the only people that know of the tunnels in Winterfell are Theon and the Maester. The Maester only told Theon for a reason, but Theon decided against running and was prepared to go out to die in battle, so there is no way the Ironborn left Winterfell without using the offer of Theon for safe passage out.

But the books tell you.

Oh, HBO... Nightmare...
The riverbed, dried-up, half full of leaves. Us, listening to a river in the trees.
Rhine
Profile Joined October 2011
187 Posts
June 06 2012 21:58 GMT
#11720
On June 07 2012 05:32 Hittomogasin wrote:
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On June 06 2012 11:26 Serejai wrote:
Limiting to ten episodes has nothing at all to do with trying to cram the books in. It's all about budget.

You have to keep in mind that GoT is ten hours long and working on a budget that's less than half what a 90 minute Hollywood movie gets. Filming on location in multiple countries is going to eat that up REALLY quickly. They simply wouldn't be able to afford more episodes without an increased budget. They actually got a 15% larger budget for S2 to use on Episode 9.

The problem is there's no way to really know how much HBO is making off the show. Numbers are good but unlike a movie they aren't making money based on numbers. A lot of people that watch it already have HBO for other reasons so they're getting zero extra income there. For all we know HBO is breaking even at best on the series and only making profit from the DVD/Bluray sales (which can't really be predicted beforehand and thus you can't budget based on those figures).


You could make 10 seasons, 1 book if the book had enough material. I can come up with 2 reasons why they might be cramming the story in such a small package: Risk of having boring show and wanting to finish the series in timely manner. In this case cramming big, eventful books into single season is very damaging to the storyline.
Another is that with such a many important characters you need large amount of actors for relatively small periods of screen time. With small pudget this could be the worst problem they would have.

My ignorant, personal feeling is that the show is doing great. Is it really that hard to increase the pudget for this show? Is this yet another example of attempting to max the profit? Is it laziness? Is the show actually too expencive to produce? I dont know, but having read the books, i think that the show - as great as it is even in its current form - is not doing justice to the books by leaving alot of the story out or deviating from it too much.

I love what i see, but as soon as the end credits start rolling i start to think about the lost potential. Its a bitter feeling.


The show already has a huge budget for a TV show. But this isn't a movie. You can't have a 100-200 million budget for 1.5 hours. Remember, this is a show that will have maybe 8 seasons with nearly 10 hours each and huge cast. Not to mention filming in different locations each season, creating sets and a lot of props, and the rare CG they add. It is incredibly expensive to produce, and HBO likely gives them more to work with than any other channel would. The books are highly intricate and detailed. You simply can't adapt that accurately because of money and length, but also because the mediums are different.

The show is also not about doing justice to the books. It's about adapting, not copying. It has been remarkably close to the books, actually. There are deviations, either for time, clarity or just to make it more exciting. They have mostly worked, in my opinion. I don't really like Dany's storyline in season 2, but this problem existed in the second book anyway. The story would be crammed no matter what. It's much too large to film "at length" and to be honest, would probably be too boring for the majority of people. It's one thing to be engrossed in the book for hours, and another to watch it unfold. People already complain of "not enough action! need more effects!" Everyone will always want more, but this has been, in my opinion, the best adaptation of a written work i've seen, and considering the scope of the books, it's damn impressive they've managed this much.
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