On June 04 2012 08:06 jakek95 wrote: What time does it start and what channel In the us? Looking for a stream
9 EST on HBO. Streams tend to be available 2 hours after air time, but you may need to allow more time for this one because it's 70 mins. Can't tell you where to go, but they are pretty accessible with a quick google search
On June 04 2012 03:09 Flik wrote: Im also going to point out that even though they're based on the Mongolians they're still fucking Doth'raki. Do you think if Drogo seen Roberts army march out to meet them he would tuck tail and run and pew pew with arrows? Fuck no. He would go balls to the wall and full on attack.
Just curious, whats the range of an english longbow compared to an archer on horseback?
This seems the biggest obstacle to me as well. The Doth'raki are brutally strong, but are they good strategists? Do they know how to fight an entire kingdom? Do they understand attrition, do they know the lay of the land? Maybe they do, maybe they don't, but these are all important questions.
The Dothraki do have some big weaknesses. First they would be in hostile territory which is an obvious disadvantage although less so because they've always lived off the land. And second because while they're mobile in battle they're not actually that mobile out of battle. They have all their food a baggage train and women and children which they will need to protect with them at all times.
What I would do to battle them is take everything eatable from the lands where they're going and then let everyone in the cities. Now assemble an army of horsemen and just let them follow the Dothraki everywhere they go without attacking (Fabian tactics). Now there will always be the threat that the supply train of the Dothraki will get attacked and at the same time there's not a lot of eatable stuff left to live on. So they can't really attack the opponents army because they're on horse too but they can't really leave their supply train either because then it would just get raided. An important aspect of this strategy will be a lot of scouts so that you know the exact movement of the opponent so whenever they send out a raiding party you know where it's going and you can overwhelm the enemy this way it'will be really difficult for the Dothraki to raid and you'll just have to wait for disease and famine to spread across the enemy troops while assembling a big army from all the kingdoms and then it will be possible to beat them.
That would be what I would do anyway :D.
You're assuming a couple of very big things :
- there's enough room for everyone in the cities (remember when people came to King's Landing to be safe and they had to close the gate because there were too many refugees?), - there's enough food for everyone there even though the population would be multiplied by ten, - that you can somehow find food when you burn your own crops - remember that Dothraki eat horse meat and only need grass to survive, - that any city has Dragonstone's walls, - that you can actually assemble an army of more than 40 000 horsemen before the Dothraki reach Westeros (in less than a week), - that you can actually defeat light mounted archers with heavy cavalry - that after a year of burning your own crop fields and moving 200K around chasing the horde, there's anything left of the continent at all.
On June 04 2012 07:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I quarrel with the Doth'raki logistics was under the assumption that somehow, the entire Khalisar could instantly be teleported across the narrow sea (because in all honesty, that is the only way it could make it across. All the fleets in the world would be needed to transport an army that large in one trip, including horses and supplies).
If you're allowing them to hire mercenaries in Essos before they teleport, you're just making the logistics of the invasion even more absurd. Let me reemphasize, there is no way they could assemble or hire a fleet large enough to transport the entire army in one trip. Multiple trips would be a disaster.
The only reason the Doth'raki invasion is even fathomable is because we are assuming "if the Doth'raki had made it across the narrow sea..."
Stannis had 100 000 men in boats, and that's just the Baratheon house. And no need for infinite supplies! Let's take an example : it took a little more than three weeks for Louis the 11th to cross the mediterranean sea in 1248. The way through the Narrow Sea is about six times shorter and as such, it probably takes 3 or 4 days to cross it. Not that big of a trip, crusades have done worse, multiple times.
On June 04 2012 07:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Robert would probably have ultimate authority because as many have mentioned, if anything, a Doth'raki invasion would unite pretty much all of Westeros under a single cause (Cersei would probably even put her shit on hold for fear that Joffrey might not have a throne if the Doth'raki aren't stopped). Back to the mercenaries, I am going to bet that there are very few people in Westeros capable of speaking the Doth'raki language, the cultural barrier would make hiring any mercenaries extremely unlikely which goes back to the fact that the Doth'raki would be stuck in foreign enemy territory without any access to reinforcements.
Assuming that no one surrenders and that no one joins the Targaryan cause. And even if Robert has ultimate authority, Westeros is as big as the United States. How can he coordinate various armies against such a mobile opponent?
On June 04 2012 07:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote: You're mistaken, the Doth'raki DO have to fight. They are a nomadic horde, they have to raid and pillage for supplies. If they just camp outside King's landing, they will just starve and die off to attrition. Any city with a port would be impossible to take. They have no knowledge of the landscape, this massive horde would be wandering the countryside without any clear goal in sight with the only guide being Jorah Mormont. They would almost never have the advantage of a surprise attacks, their scouts unfamiliar with the land would be vastly inferior to any Westerosi scouts.
What? Are you saying that those who starve are the ones sieging a city? Let me paint a simple picture for you : the horde arrives at point B, half of the surrounding population hides behind the wall. Meanwhile, outside, the Dothraki burn everything, take what they need and slaughter the half that stayed outside of the walls. The horde arrives at point A, there are no thick stone walls, everyone dies. Meanwhile, Robert's 200 000 men slowly move around as they act as a natural catastrophy themselves, taking all nearby ressources for the war effort. People at point B have no food and everything has been burned to the ground in the region. After all, Dothraki only need grass and horses to survive.
On June 04 2012 07:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote: The Doth'raki just wouldn't have the resources to compete with a united empire of Westeros (because let's be real, it really is an Empire). You say that the 40,000 Horseman are what will win the Doth'raki the day, but I'm fairly certain Westeros could muster up close to that number of armored lancers in addition to hundreds of thousands of infantry.
Also, people should stop comparing the Doth'raki to the Mongols so literally, the Mongols had SOME armor at least, as far as we've seen, the Doth'raki literally ride into battle shirtless with Arachs and Bows as their primary weapons without any armor whatsoever.
As far as Cavalry comparisons go, do you really think the Arach stands any chance against the Lance and an Armored Knight? The only weapon the Doth'raki have at their disposal that could actually compete with armored knights, on foot or horseback, would be horse archers, and I'm sure that ceases to be a problem when you're able to vastly outnumber their horse archers with archers on foot.
Shit, I might as well close by saying the Doth'raki probably don't even have enough arrows to kill the Westerosi with, that's how badly the Doth'raki would be outnumbered, out armed, out informed, out resourced, etc etc etc...
1) Horse archers murder heavy knights. And every single Dothraki horseman is a proved marksman. 2) How do you gather so many knights in so little time? 3) How do you feed 200 000 regular men when the country is burned to the ground?
Bonus : the size of Westeros We can see that A) Westeros is big, it's basically a playground for Drogo and B) the Narrow Sea is... narrow.
On June 04 2012 08:44 toemn wrote: Can anyone PM me a stream for the upcoming episode? I want to watch it live . I'd buy direct access from HBO but I can't from Germany.
ye im from germany too and i can`t wait!!!!!... if anyone got a hbo stream, pls pm me, too
What an infuriating conclusion to the battle, but I guess that was expected. I really hope Tyrion will stop doing things for his family. Can't believe that.