On April 19 2012 08:05 Too_MuchZerg wrote: I keep wondering why did King Robert I allowed Jaime Lannister to serve for Kingsguard after killing previous king? Should have been killed right on the spot for breaking the oath. Tyrion is at least cleaning Hands threats/betrayals regardless of house they belong. I would picked every living guy who served as they were meant to do and wipe out who helped resistance as new king (of course if they rebelled at start then its okay but near the end...).
Kingsgaurd serve for life. Robert was known to make friends of his enemies. Take Ser Barriston for example. He fought against Robert on the Trident (when prince Rhaegar died) taking a spear wound, a sword wound, and multiple arrows, and instead of just killing Barriston outright, he offered him peace.
Also his wife's brother. Robert also seemed to enjoy rubbing the fact that he was king in Jaime's face, making him gaurd him while he was screwing around on his sister.
He wasn't married to cersei at that point. Was with Ned's sis Lyanna. Rhaegar stole lyanna which sparked the whole war to begin with. Jamie wasn't killed because lannisters are balling out of control. And he would have a poor ass kingdom w/o the lannisters so for the most part Jamie's "sin" was more or less went "unnoticed" because A) he killed rhaegar, roberts worst enemy. So regardless of oath, he got a kings pardon B) He needs the money, hence why he married cersei.
1) He was engaged to Cersei when Jaime Lannister killed King Aerys. 2) Jaime Lannister didn't kill Prince Rhaegar, Robert did at the Trident.
No, he wasn't engaged to Cersei at the time. During the rebellion the Lannisters did not take a side - there was no alliance between Ned/Robert and Tywin. No one knew which side Tywin would take - Aerys was constantly trying to contact him but he ignored both sides.
After Kings Landing fell, the compromise was that Robert could have the throne as long as he married Cersei. There is no way that they would have risked killing or discharging Jaime when that would have certainly led to a second war between Ned/Robert and the Lannisters.
Also they needed the Lannisters money to stabilize and rebuild after the war
Ned and probably some others had a problem with the dishonorable part of it - Tywin basically waited to see who would win before picking a side and Jaime obviously broke his oaths. Its a pretty common theme in the books that honor is much less important to most people than swords and gold though.
On April 19 2012 14:50 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: hmm, it's been a little while since I've read A Clash of Kings, but I don't believe I recall Renly having a relationship with Loras. >_>
Guessing this is something added exclusively to the show? Seems like an odd thing to add of all things. Suppose it's just another angle for HBO to sneak in a sexual scene. They're getting a tad gratuitous this season, and we're only three episodes in.
Aside from that minor complaint, I'd say, so far so good. I think they nailed Brienne as well.
Some dialogues make it quite obvious
Also the The Rainbow Guard, just saying.
I think GRRM said that that connection between the rainbow guard and them being gay was unintentional.
On April 19 2012 18:26 Heouf wrote: Cool tv show. But I won't follow it every week. I just wait till the end and watch them all in a marathon. That is more fun. I did that for the first season.
Might not be more fun but definately less painful =]
I'd never have the patience to do that. The best thing to do is to never heed anyone's advice for a good TV show if it doesn't have a lot of seasons. That way you don't get hooked.
On April 19 2012 14:50 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: hmm, it's been a little while since I've read A Clash of Kings, but I don't believe I recall Renly having a relationship with Loras. >_>
Guessing this is something added exclusively to the show? Seems like an odd thing to add of all things. Suppose it's just another angle for HBO to sneak in a sexual scene. They're getting a tad gratuitous this season, and we're only three episodes in.
Aside from that minor complaint, I'd say, so far so good. I think they nailed Brienne as well.
Some dialogues make it quite obvious
Also the The Rainbow Guard, just saying.
I think GRRM said that that connection between the rainbow guard and them being gay was unintentional.
Just read up on GRRM comments and your right.
"The Rainbow Guard isn't meant to symbolize Renly's sexuality. It was more of a culmination of several unrelated things, such as the fact that he'd already used white for the Kingsguard and black for the Night's Watch. A rainbow is seven colors combined together in one object - he compared it to a shamrock being a Irish Catholic symbol of the Holy Trinity, three parts which make up one thing. Plus it has seven colors and is tied to the Seven, plus worshipers of the Seven use prism rainbows in their temples.
I have only just finished Clash of Kings and I was having discussions with my friend who has read up to latest book, as he managed to miss Loras/Renely and Stannis/Melisandre (while is also only implied is much more obvious in my opinion may have been coloured by the TV show) relationships and he said thinking about it was kind of obvious because of the Rainbow Guard. Anyways that comment is kind of inappropriate for TL so I have removed it.
On April 19 2012 14:50 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: hmm, it's been a little while since I've read A Clash of Kings, but I don't believe I recall Renly having a relationship with Loras. >_>
Guessing this is something added exclusively to the show? Seems like an odd thing to add of all things. Suppose it's just another angle for HBO to sneak in a sexual scene. They're getting a tad gratuitous this season, and we're only three episodes in.
Aside from that minor complaint, I'd say, so far so good. I think they nailed Brienne as well.
Some dialogues make it quite obvious
Oh yeah, a couple fellas sent me some links on that matter and I have to say that people see what they want to see. As I was reading the explanations on this issue I was thinking "woah did they strech it far" .
So, not only it's not obvious but not even true imo. But anyway, it is what it is on the show, nothing we can do about it.
You do realize there is nothing on the show that wasant somewhat aproved by GRRM, and he is the series writer.
So I dont see how it would be a stretch, when it was heavily hinted in the books, and then it shows to be truth in the series.
They took a very straight aproach in the series, in the first season littlefinger mocks renly at the joust about it
Then theres a scene of loras shaving renly and proceding to fellatio him (which is hinted happens when the scene changes) and also introducing the whole plot of his alliance with highgarden.
I think it was pretty implicit that it was present
That's not entirely accurate to say GRRM approved everything that has made it's way into the TV series. Spoiler Warning, he does mention some minor things about the books, but the interview is focused on the TV series:
Basicly Martin had input on everything in the show, but David and Dan had the final say and changed some things regardless of Martin's thoughts on the subject. I think Martin has been very happy with the show over all, but that doesn't mean that he has signed off on every change as one that he approves of or is happy with.
On April 19 2012 08:05 Too_MuchZerg wrote: I keep wondering why did King Robert I allowed Jaime Lannister to serve for Kingsguard after killing previous king? Should have been killed right on the spot for breaking the oath. Tyrion is at least cleaning Hands threats/betrayals regardless of house they belong. I would picked every living guy who served as they were meant to do and wipe out who helped resistance as new king (of course if they rebelled at start then its okay but near the end...).
Kingsgaurd serve for life. Robert was known to make friends of his enemies. Take Ser Barriston for example. He fought against Robert on the Trident (when prince Rhaegar died) taking a spear wound, a sword wound, and multiple arrows, and instead of just killing Barriston outright, he offered him peace.
Also his wife's brother. Robert also seemed to enjoy rubbing the fact that he was king in Jaime's face, making him gaurd him while he was screwing around on his sister.
He wasn't married to cersei at that point. Was with Ned's sis Lyanna. Rhaegar stole lyanna which sparked the whole war to begin with. Jamie wasn't killed because lannisters are balling out of control. And he would have a poor ass kingdom w/o the lannisters so for the most part Jamie's "sin" was more or less went "unnoticed" because A) he killed rhaegar, roberts worst enemy. So regardless of oath, he got a kings pardon B) He needs the money, hence why he married cersei.
1) He was engaged to Cersei when Jaime Lannister killed King Aerys. 2) Jaime Lannister didn't kill Prince Rhaegar, Robert did at the Trident.
The info on 1) isn't even disclosed on the show. You are also not entirely correct on that point, but I won't discuss it further here.
In season one Robert says that he married Cersei for political reasons though (The scene after he hit Cersei when Ned is down after the spear wound I believe). If I remember correctly he quotes Jon Arryn, something along the lines "She'll make a good match, you need her father". It's also said that the crown is hugely in debt to the Lannisters. In any case it is made pretty clear that Robert needed/needs the Lannisters, which is why he couldn't have killed Tywin's first born after the war. Even if he wanted to one should say, he wasn't exactly the honorable type like his brother or Ned.
On April 19 2012 14:50 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: hmm, it's been a little while since I've read A Clash of Kings, but I don't believe I recall Renly having a relationship with Loras. >_>
Guessing this is something added exclusively to the show? Seems like an odd thing to add of all things. Suppose it's just another angle for HBO to sneak in a sexual scene. They're getting a tad gratuitous this season, and we're only three episodes in.
Aside from that minor complaint, I'd say, so far so good. I think they nailed Brienne as well.
Their relationship is only hinted at in the books, a subtlety you can't really translate to a TV show. Plus, they don't seem to have any qualms about showing sex.
Can't wait until Sunday!
I'd say they're overdoing it with the sex - I have to turn down my speakers through half the episodes, or else the rest of my floor (college dorm) will think I'm watching porn. It's a bit much.
Just caught up to s2 ep3, I think I'll read the books now.
I think in season 1 the sex scenes felt like they fit in with the show (to project a bit of realism not seen in medieval movies) but in season 2 i agree that some sex scenes were there for the sake of consistency, eg the whore house scene in episode 1.
On April 20 2012 23:36 lannisport wrote: Are there a lot of sex scenes in episode 3? I haven't watched it yet and I'm stuck with grandparents over the weekend.
No real sex more like attempted sex with some kissing and touching. Involves gay kissing though, dunno how your grandparents see that.
I watch every episode at max volume so my neighbors can hear every freaky detail, it's funny to see people stop on the side walks outside my house once the sex starts.
On April 19 2012 22:33 -Archangel- wrote: And people are still talking about book stuff here... rainbow guard is not mentioned in the show.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Brienne explicitly state when she won the tournament over Loras to be honored to be a member of the rainbow guard and later Loras while making out with Renly said it was an insult to him as a member of the rainbow guard.
Which character does G Martin portray as himself (or closest to himself) in the books? In one interview he said he always portrays someone as himself in his works.
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