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On April 19 2012 09:03 Arkless wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 08:57 Leth0 wrote:On April 19 2012 08:05 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
I keep wondering why did King Robert I allowed Jaime Lannister to serve for Kingsguard after killing previous king? Should have been killed right on the spot for breaking the oath. Tyrion is at least cleaning Hands threats/betrayals regardless of house they belong. I would picked every living guy who served as they were meant to do and wipe out who helped resistance as new king (of course if they rebelled at start then its okay but near the end...). Kingsgaurd serve for life. Robert was known to make friends of his enemies. Take Ser Barriston for example. He fought against Robert on the Trident (when prince Rhaegar died) taking a spear wound, a sword wound, and multiple arrows, and instead of just killing Barriston outright, he offered him peace. Also his wife's brother. Robert also seemed to enjoy rubbing the fact that he was king in Jaime's face, making him gaurd him while he was screwing around on his sister. He wasn't married to cersei at that point. Was with Ned's sis Lyanna. Rhaegar stole lyanna which sparked the whole war to begin with. Jamie wasn't killed because lannisters are balling out of control. And he would have a poor ass kingdom w/o the lannisters so for the most part Jamie's "sin" was more or less went "unnoticed" because A) he killed rhaegar, roberts worst enemy. So regardless of oath, he got a kings pardon B) He needs the money, hence why he married cersei.
1) He was engaged to Cersei when Jaime Lannister killed King Aerys.
2) Jaime Lannister didn't kill Prince Rhaegar, Robert did at the Trident.
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Rewatched Season1 ep4. The scene with Tyrion and Theon was quite chilling, Theon also came up in Jaime's conversation with Ed's man. Really foreboding stuff.
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Is it really considered a spoiler if you do book talk but its from events that have already aired on the tv show? Seems kinda dumb.
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Canada11520 Posts
On April 19 2012 12:05 Drowsy wrote:
Is it really considered a spoiler if you do book talk but its from events that have already aired on the tv show? Seems kinda dumb.
Well the problem with that is books will often reveal more information about old events that reinterprets the readers view of those old events. (After the fact, hindsight is 20/20 and all that.) The problem with book discussion on past episodes is people are very bad at separating book knowledge if you had only read up till that point and book knowledge if you had finished the book/ the following books that all reveal more information about that same old event.
However, moderation issues with this thread should be taken to Website Feedback.
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On April 19 2012 10:06 Bart wrote:
i just wanna say that I'm disappointed in the fact that the director and the series writers strayed so many times from the book. I know it's hard to follow the book exactly but come on... all we (diehard fans) want is to see what we read in the book (and imagined in our minds) being played out on the screen.
Thankfully you are part of a minority.
GRRM is one of the series writers btw.
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On April 19 2012 10:06 Bart wrote:
i just wanna say that I'm disappointed in the fact that the director and the series writers strayed so many times from the book.
This. I cant bear to watch all those bs added scenes and just have to skip them. They are making extraordinary epic story in to a medioore one.
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On April 19 2012 14:20 escobari wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 10:06 Bart wrote:
i just wanna say that I'm disappointed in the fact that the director and the series writers strayed so many times from the book. This. I cant bear to watch all those bs added scenes and just have to skip them. They are making extraordinary epic story in to a medioore one.
I think that they shouldn't straight out copy the book like they did in season 1.
I already know the book story. It is pointless to watch the same thing that I read.
I'd love to see some new stuff based on the book's story, just like in Walking Dead ( except for the filler parts).
There were some dialogue in s1 that sounded horrible in the series, trying to 'stay true to the book'.
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hmm, it's been a little while since I've read A Clash of Kings, but I don't believe I recall Renly having a relationship with Loras. >_>
Guessing this is something added exclusively to the show? Seems like an odd thing to add of all things. Suppose it's just another angle for HBO to sneak in a sexual scene. They're getting a tad gratuitous this season, and we're only three episodes in.
Aside from that minor complaint, I'd say, so far so good. I think they nailed Brienne as well.
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On April 19 2012 14:50 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
hmm, it's been a little while since I've read A Clash of Kings, but I don't believe I recall Renly having a relationship with Loras. >_>
Guessing this is something added exclusively to the show? Seems like an odd thing to add of all things. Suppose it's just another angle for HBO to sneak in a sexual scene. They're getting a tad gratuitous this season, and we're only three episodes in.
Aside from that minor complaint, I'd say, so far so good. I think they nailed Brienne as well.
Some dialogues make it quite obvious
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On April 19 2012 14:50 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
hmm, it's been a little while since I've read A Clash of Kings, but I don't believe I recall Renly having a relationship with Loras. >_>
Guessing this is something added exclusively to the show? Seems like an odd thing to add of all things. Suppose it's just another angle for HBO to sneak in a sexual scene. They're getting a tad gratuitous this season, and we're only three episodes in.
Aside from that minor complaint, I'd say, so far so good. I think they nailed Brienne as well.
Their relationship is only hinted at in the books, a subtlety you can't really translate to a TV show. Plus, they don't seem to have any qualms about showing sex.
Can't wait until Sunday!
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On April 19 2012 15:06 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 14:50 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
hmm, it's been a little while since I've read A Clash of Kings, but I don't believe I recall Renly having a relationship with Loras. >_>
Guessing this is something added exclusively to the show? Seems like an odd thing to add of all things. Suppose it's just another angle for HBO to sneak in a sexual scene. They're getting a tad gratuitous this season, and we're only three episodes in.
Aside from that minor complaint, I'd say, so far so good. I think they nailed Brienne as well.
Their relationship is only hinted at in the books, a subtlety you can't really translate to a TV show. Plus, they don't seem to have any qualms about showing sex. Can't wait until Sunday!
I'd say they're overdoing it with the sex - I have to turn down my speakers through half the episodes, or else the rest of my floor (college dorm) will think I'm watching porn. It's a bit much.
Just caught up to s2 ep3, I think I'll read the books now.
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After watching the first few episodes of season 2, I can say there's nothing sweeter than re-watching the first few episodes of season 1 to see Joffrey get slapped 3 times in a row and cry like a little bitch after getting bit by a wolf.
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I guess the folks complaining about changes from the book are just being homophobic? Or are there any big unnecessary changes? If this isn't the place, please pm me. =) (without spoilers obviously)
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On April 19 2012 14:55 D10 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 14:50 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
hmm, it's been a little while since I've read A Clash of Kings, but I don't believe I recall Renly having a relationship with Loras. >_>
Guessing this is something added exclusively to the show? Seems like an odd thing to add of all things. Suppose it's just another angle for HBO to sneak in a sexual scene. They're getting a tad gratuitous this season, and we're only three episodes in.
Aside from that minor complaint, I'd say, so far so good. I think they nailed Brienne as well.
Some dialogues make it quite obvious
Oh yeah, a couple fellas sent me some links on that matter and I have to say that people see what they want to see.
As I was reading the explanations on this issue I was thinking "woah did they strech it far" .
So, not only it's not obvious but not even true imo. But anyway, it is what it is on the show, nothing we can do about it.
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On April 19 2012 17:33 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 14:55 D10 wrote:On April 19 2012 14:50 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
hmm, it's been a little while since I've read A Clash of Kings, but I don't believe I recall Renly having a relationship with Loras. >_>
Guessing this is something added exclusively to the show? Seems like an odd thing to add of all things. Suppose it's just another angle for HBO to sneak in a sexual scene. They're getting a tad gratuitous this season, and we're only three episodes in.
Aside from that minor complaint, I'd say, so far so good. I think they nailed Brienne as well.
Some dialogues make it quite obvious Oh yeah, a couple fellas sent me some links on that matter and I have to say that people see what they want to see. As I was reading the explanations on this issue I was thinking "woah did they strech it far" . So, not only it's not obvious but not even true imo. But anyway, it is what it is on the show, nothing we can do about it.
You do realize there is nothing on the show that wasant somewhat aproved by GRRM, and he is the series writer.
So I dont see how it would be a stretch, when it was heavily hinted in the books, and then it shows to be truth in the series.
They took a very straight aproach in the series, in the first season littlefinger mocks renly at the joust about it
Then theres a scene of loras shaving renly and proceding to fellatio him (which is hinted happens when the scene changes) and also introducing the whole plot of his alliance with highgarden.
I think it was pretty implicit that it was present
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On April 19 2012 17:41 D10 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 17:33 Steveling wrote:On April 19 2012 14:55 D10 wrote:On April 19 2012 14:50 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
hmm, it's been a little while since I've read A Clash of Kings, but I don't believe I recall Renly having a relationship with Loras. >_>
Guessing this is something added exclusively to the show? Seems like an odd thing to add of all things. Suppose it's just another angle for HBO to sneak in a sexual scene. They're getting a tad gratuitous this season, and we're only three episodes in.
Aside from that minor complaint, I'd say, so far so good. I think they nailed Brienne as well.
Some dialogues make it quite obvious Oh yeah, a couple fellas sent me some links on that matter and I have to say that people see what they want to see. As I was reading the explanations on this issue I was thinking "woah did they strech it far" . So, not only it's not obvious but not even true imo. But anyway, it is what it is on the show, nothing we can do about it. You do realize there is nothing on the show that wasant somewhat aproved by GRRM, and he is the series writer. So I dont see how it would be a stretch, when it was heavily hinted in the books, and then it shows to be truth in the series. They took a very straight aproach in the series, in the first season littlefinger mocks renly at the joust about it Then theres a scene of loras shaving renly and proceding to fellatio him (which is hinted happens when the scene changes) and also introducing the whole plot of his alliance with highgarden. I think it was pretty implicit that it was present
No, the guy was talking how their relationship in the books wasn't shown to be gay so openly. Which does not really belong in this thread. All I will say on this subject is that George Martin himself said they are gay but cba to find the quote.
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On April 19 2012 10:16 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 09:03 Arkless wrote:On April 19 2012 08:57 Leth0 wrote:On April 19 2012 08:05 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
I keep wondering why did King Robert I allowed Jaime Lannister to serve for Kingsguard after killing previous king? Should have been killed right on the spot for breaking the oath. Tyrion is at least cleaning Hands threats/betrayals regardless of house they belong. I would picked every living guy who served as they were meant to do and wipe out who helped resistance as new king (of course if they rebelled at start then its okay but near the end...). Kingsgaurd serve for life. Robert was known to make friends of his enemies. Take Ser Barriston for example. He fought against Robert on the Trident (when prince Rhaegar died) taking a spear wound, a sword wound, and multiple arrows, and instead of just killing Barriston outright, he offered him peace. Also his wife's brother. Robert also seemed to enjoy rubbing the fact that he was king in Jaime's face, making him gaurd him while he was screwing around on his sister. He wasn't married to cersei at that point. Was with Ned's sis Lyanna. Rhaegar stole lyanna which sparked the whole war to begin with. Jamie wasn't killed because lannisters are balling out of control. And he would have a poor ass kingdom w/o the lannisters so for the most part Jamie's "sin" was more or less went "unnoticed" because A) he killed rhaegar, roberts worst enemy. So regardless of oath, he got a kings pardon B) He needs the money, hence why he married cersei. 1) He was engaged to Cersei when Jaime Lannister killed King Aerys. 2) Jaime Lannister didn't kill Prince Rhaegar, Robert did at the Trident.
The info on 1) isn't even disclosed on the show. You are also not entirely correct on that point, but I won't discuss it further here.
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Cool tv show. But I won't follow it every week. I just wait till the end and watch them all in a marathon. That is more fun. I did that for the first season.
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Zurich15365 Posts
On April 19 2012 18:23 Maginor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 10:16 ZasZ. wrote:On April 19 2012 09:03 Arkless wrote:On April 19 2012 08:57 Leth0 wrote:On April 19 2012 08:05 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
I keep wondering why did King Robert I allowed Jaime Lannister to serve for Kingsguard after killing previous king? Should have been killed right on the spot for breaking the oath. Tyrion is at least cleaning Hands threats/betrayals regardless of house they belong. I would picked every living guy who served as they were meant to do and wipe out who helped resistance as new king (of course if they rebelled at start then its okay but near the end...). Kingsgaurd serve for life. Robert was known to make friends of his enemies. Take Ser Barriston for example. He fought against Robert on the Trident (when prince Rhaegar died) taking a spear wound, a sword wound, and multiple arrows, and instead of just killing Barriston outright, he offered him peace. Also his wife's brother. Robert also seemed to enjoy rubbing the fact that he was king in Jaime's face, making him gaurd him while he was screwing around on his sister. He wasn't married to cersei at that point. Was with Ned's sis Lyanna. Rhaegar stole lyanna which sparked the whole war to begin with. Jamie wasn't killed because lannisters are balling out of control. And he would have a poor ass kingdom w/o the lannisters so for the most part Jamie's "sin" was more or less went "unnoticed" because A) he killed rhaegar, roberts worst enemy. So regardless of oath, he got a kings pardon B) He needs the money, hence why he married cersei. 1) He was engaged to Cersei when Jaime Lannister killed King Aerys. 2) Jaime Lannister didn't kill Prince Rhaegar, Robert did at the Trident. The info on 1) isn't even disclosed on the show. You are also not entirely correct on that point, but I won't discuss it further here.
In season one Robert says that he married Cersei for political reasons though (The scene after he hit Cersei when Ned is down after the spear wound I believe). If I remember correctly he quotes Jon Arryn, something along the lines "She'll make a good match, you need her father". It's also said that the crown is hugely in debt to the Lannisters. In any case it is made pretty clear that Robert needed/needs the Lannisters, which is why he couldn't have killed Tywin's first born after the war. Even if he wanted to one should say, he wasn't exactly the honorable type like his brother or Ned.
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On April 19 2012 18:26 Heouf wrote:
Cool tv show. But I won't follow it every week. I just wait till the end and watch them all in a marathon. That is more fun. I did that for the first season.
Might not be more fun but definately less painful =]
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