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On April 18 2012 04:42 Derez wrote:
It feels like season two is so much slower than season one was. I absolutely loved s1, but so far I can't really get into season two at all.
I think you are remembering the end of season 1 instead of the beginning. I recently re-watched season 1 and it starts out quite slow. Its not until episode 5 or 6 that it really picks up.
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Wtf this is moving so fast, before last episode, the main complain was even that it felt rushed!
There are plot element that make whole episode in others series.
Like the old man is thrown to jail. How long did it take?
I browsed through the episode again, it's actually incredible how they have all these 10 minute miniepisodes that give so much information.
And Yoren was cool, the scene was really cruel.
One thing that is hard to catch is how much people moves when they are traveling and where they are when something happen. The map in the intro helps a little but it's really for large scale stuff like where is Danny, where are Iron islands...
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On April 18 2012 16:26 0x64 wrote:
Wtf this is moving so fast, before last episode, the main complain was even that it felt rushed!
There are plot element that make whole episode in others series.
Like the old man is thrown to jail. How long did it take?
I browsed through the episode again, it's actually incredible how they have all these 10 minute miniepisodes that give so much information.
And Yoren was cool, the scene was really cruel.
One thing that is hard to catch is how much people moves when they are traveling and where they are when something happen. The map in the intro helps a little but it's really for large scale stuff like where is Danny, where are Iron islands...
It'd be really sweet with regards to the map if they used it to point out people's locations, especially when they're not at a major city. I like that at least they keep adding new 'major places', but it would be nice to be able to watch the show and understand where people like Renly and Arya currently are in the world without having to look at a map online / in the books to find out.
Probably a bit of an amateur technique to show locations during an episode though. Maybe something that would just be sweet for like DVD extras perhaps?
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On April 17 2012 23:07 Emix_Squall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 22:53 feanor1 wrote:On April 17 2012 22:49 Forumite wrote:On April 17 2012 20:29 Emix_Squall wrote:On April 17 2012 20:14 Redox wrote:
Well he maybe the only bastard that is left, so that alone makes him very important.
Add to that that both Renly and Stannis have no kids so far (I believe) he might be the only Baratheon descendant at this point.
Btw this thought also shows why it is that important that Renly overcomes his "problems". Well the fact is, if he's Robert's bastard he's a Summer or whatever you call bastards in King's Landing, not a Baratheon at all. He has no claim on anything at all as far as his Baratheon lineage go. Just like Jon Snow as no claim to Winterfell ... they're bastards that's the point. Jofrey and the Queen are afraid bastards may become a problem so they anticipate it by killing them all but it doesn't make Gendry a better claim to the throne at the moment. Now if he is more than a simple bastard like I think he is, it's another story, but they don't know anything about that now. Rob Stark thought Gendry was important. It was clear that he planned to put Gendry on the throne, with the change to the Kings will (changed "My son Geoffrey" to "My rightfull heir"). Gendry wasn´t recognized, but Rob Stark still considered him the next in line to the throne. No he didn't(It was Eddard not Rob btw). He considered Stannis the rightful heir to the throne. A bastard can't inherit anything, the eldest brother is next in the line of succession if there are no trueborn children. The importance of Genry to Eddard was that it help point him in the direction that Joffery, Tommen, and Myrcella looked nothing like him. That's exactly it. Considering Gendry as the bastard (and nothing more) he is at this point in the story, the only importance he had regarding the inheritance of the throne was from a purely physical point of view, proving that a Baratheon child should look more like him, and therefore pointing at the fact that the 3 other children were probably not Robert's. Now I still go back to saying he is probably Cersei and Robert's lost/dead child ... but noone seems to agree with me on that here :D
If Gendry is Robert and Cersei's child then he isn't a bastard. If he isn't a bastard, then he has a claim to the throne. Cersei tried to get rid of all Robert's bastard children.
However, in your posts you are saying Gendry is definitely a bastard. So he can't be the child of Cersei and Robert. You can't have it both ways as it doesn't make sense. If Cersei and Robert spawned Gendry, then we'd have to explain the chain of events that led up to the moment where Cersei wants to kill him. The TV series offers evidence that contradicts this notion.
Remember in one episode (Season 1) as she's talking to Jaime and mentions that Robert could barely due his duty to her in bed because he was always drunk and she had "ways of getting things done". He never got Cersei pregnant because he was either too drunk to do it or Cersei took Moon's Tea or whatever it's called to get rid of the seed inside her in the rare instance she got pregnant.
The episode where Ned visits Jaime outside of Robert's chambers where he is whoring makes it clear - The King fucking massive amounts of whores is an open secret. It is likely that when Gendry mentions remembering his mother it could be one of the countless amount of women Robert fucked. When he talks about her hair it is a plot point of emphasis that all Baratheon children have black hair. Instead of thinking that this was used to prove that Gendry is remembering Cersei I offer a counterpoint: Gendry is the only child that is alive that we know Robert fathered. Without him being included into the story, we'd have no evidence of all Baratheon children being black haired. Literally it would be the book of lineage that Ned and Jon Aryn interpreted along with shots of Renly. The inclusion of Gendry however makes this an ironclad fact.
So to extrapolate on your theory - we'd have to go against this evidence and prove that Gendry is the true born son of a Lannister and Baratheon. If Gendry is born to Cersei he comes out with black hair. It is a stretch to say Cersei would have known this was Robert's seed and not Jaime's - she would have to know all Baratheon children are born with black hair.
Even jumping over this hurdle, we'd then have to explain another quandary: Gendry is still alive. She'd clearly want to kill Gendry, not allow him to live into later years to show up as a threat to the throne.
Literally for this chain of events to happen years before Joffrey is born Cersei would have had to forget to kill the seed inside her, give the black haired baby away instead of killing it, and somehow not know where the baby is located years later when she needs to kill all heirs to the throne.
That is a lot of mistakes that are directly under her control to make. Sometimes the simple explanation is best: Gendry isn't her child.
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On April 17 2012 18:48 oGoZenob wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 18:24 0x64 wrote:
Hah just saw on Imdb that Alfie Allen (Theon Greyjoy) is engaged with Jaime. reading this I had to check myself, I first thought he was engaged to the actor playing jaime lannister ^^
Sorry, that was a bit my intention to live a bit of mystery around this :D I didn't even know Jaime was a girls name somewhere.
Maybe a good paintphotoshop edit opportunity.
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As far as show watchers and characters know he is a bastard because everyone calls him that.
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Gendry is a bastard, there is no evidence in the show to suggest otherwise.
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Okay. What I don't understand is what they need from Crastor. He's 1 man with his daughters and wives while the men of the watch are group of men who can kill Crastor and use force to take his daughters. Why is the commander so bending for that prick?
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Commander Mormont is an honorable man. Remember when he's being stern with Jon in Episode 3 he tells him Craster is friend to the Night's Watch and that without him many Rangers would have suffered without his supplies and shelter.
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Many reasons
1. It is very convenient to have that as a safe house for the rangers when they are out alone or in smaller groups. When they arrive there, there is already food, a roof and firewood. They probably can't put up their own safehouse, because they are not wildlings and are not accepted by the other wildlings.
2. Craster is not a threat to the Watch.
3. The Watch does not have jurisdiction out there. Their job is to safeguard the Wall. They only patrol beyond the Wall to learn about impending attacks and raids.
4. If they just killed him, then what would they do with all those girls? The Watch don't want them. I know it is sexist to assume that they can't take care of themselves, but that is after all what they think. Otherwise they could have overthrown Craster themselves. It is a very harsh world out there.
5. If they started to kill non-hostile wildlings, then it would be even more difficult for them to contact the the other wildlings when necessary, and it would put the rangers in much more danger when beyond the wall.
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^ I guess that makes sense.
But I think Commander Mormont being honorable is probably the biggest reason why his limbs aren't detached and his daughters raped by the men (I'm not saying they should do it, I'm saying that's what happens when you have a group of men in wilderness who hasn't seen a woman in years without authority behind them)
He's being way too aggressive for the position he is in, making fun of the Commander for being around boys.
Anyway, does anyone else hate Shae as much as me? I love Tyrion, but Shae is making his life difficult, and she thinks she deserves to be treated like a royal lady when she's commoner/prostitute. The fact that she resorts to raising her voice everytime Tyrion says something slightly negative conveys she has a really bad temper and can't take any sort of criticism.
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And that is why Tyrion took her with him instead of random whore #543
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On April 18 2012 20:09 GhostOwl wrote:
Anyway, does anyone else hate Shae as much as me? I love Tyrion, but Shae is making his life difficult, and she thinks she deserves to be treated like a royal lady when she's commoner/prostitute. The fact that she resorts to raising her voice everytime Tyrion says something slightly negative conveys she has a really bad temper and can't take any sort of criticism.
The show does not draw an accurate picture there. Also: Shae wants Tyrion. Tyrion wants Shae.
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Did you guys see in the latest episode that Gendry took and arrow to the knee?
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It was Lommy Greenhands that took the arrow. And his career as an adventurer is definitely over.
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On April 18 2012 20:09 GhostOwl wrote:
Anyway, does anyone else hate Shae as much as me? I love Tyrion, but Shae is making his life difficult, and she thinks she deserves to be treated like a royal lady when she's commoner/prostitute. The fact that she resorts to raising her voice everytime Tyrion says something slightly negative conveys she has a really bad temper and can't take any sort of criticism.
Perhaps a foreshadowing of things to come. Sometimes, through the course of adaptation and storytelling, certain aspects of a character's nature are revealed before their time. You can already sense the tension.
Personally, I don't care for Yara. The actress lacks screen presence and seems cowed, especially around Theon. Unexpected for someone who's in command of a fleet of pirate ships. I realize not everyone has to be pretty... but Brienne is prettier than her(subjective, I know).
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Yara to me gives tomuch of a vibe of some farmers daughter then heir to the iron islands and a commander of a fleet of ships.
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On April 19 2012 02:14 Leth0 wrote:
"carry him he says"
"I yield, I yield"
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Is there any explanation why they changed her name to yara ?
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