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snailz
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Diavlo
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On June 08 2016 02:19 snailz wrote: jaquen can't wear arya's face, otherwise should would already be dead and/or wouldn't have a face to begin with. we literally saw how faceless men get their mask from dead people. no magic involved, no shapeshifting... Arya goes blind from seeing her own face on Jaquen's corpse. They should be able to use her face as a mask. I'm not sure they can mimic her entire body tho. | ||
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OtherWorld
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On June 08 2016 02:56 Diavlo wrote: Arya goes blind from seeing her own face on Jaquen's corpse. They should be able to use her face as a mask. I'm not sure they can mimic her entire body tho. Well Jaqen seems to be pretty skilled, so I don't think that would be an issue for him. | ||
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Hider
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On June 08 2016 00:34 The_Red_Viper wrote: People thinking this wasn't arya are probably the same people who pretended that Shaggydog isn't really dead and that it's all a big plan! The truth is that the show doesn't do these things anymore, it's all pretty straight forward these days. Your comparision makes no sense. Shaggydog is irrelevant to the story and clearly just a lose end that the writers wanted to get rid of. Arya and the faceless assasins matter. Their story needs to be explored further. Just that difference means that it is worth (over)analyzing and developing theories. Now until you can properly answer the below question, the default assumption should be that Arya wasn't stabbed: How did Arya suddenly get all those money? Where is Needle? What about Arya's hair? Didn't you notice something unusual there? And when Jaqen said "A shame - a girl had many gifts" after the Waif referred to her self as "I" and expressed her to desire to hurt Arya, I think he wasn't talking about Arya, but about the Waif. The Waif clearly showed that she was the one who wasn't noone since she had desires of her own. | ||
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On June 08 2016 03:04 Hider wrote: And there is also the fact that the Waif probably was the "a shame - a girl had many gifts" when she referred to her self as I and expressed her to desire to hurt Arya. Nice. I didn't notice that ambiguity. | ||
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BlackCompany
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1) it was really Arya who was acting stupid by wandering around and got surprised by the Waif. 2) Arya was Jaqen in disguise who wanted to check if the Waif does as she he is told (maybe to see if she is ready to be a full faceless man?). Although unless he was really stubborn on acting like Arya his behaviour after he got stabbed was really weird. I'm open to other solutions as long as they make sense though | ||
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blade55555
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On June 08 2016 03:04 Hider wrote: Your comparision makes no sense. Shaggydog is irrelevant to the story and clearly just a lose end that the writers wanted to get rid of. Arya and the faceless assasins matter. Their story needs to be explored further. Just that difference means that it is worth (over)analyzing and making theories of what happens in those scenes. Now until you can properly answer the below question, the default assumption should be that Arya wasn't stabbed: Well, how did Arya suddenly get a ton of money? Where did that come from? Where as Needle btw. What about Arya's hair? Didn't you notice something unusual there? And there is also the fact that the Waif probably was the "a shame - a girl had many gifts" when she referred to her self as I and expressed her to desire to hurt Arya. Red Viper is kind of a hater from the show I noticed. Almost every post I see from him is shitting on it. I wouldn't really heed his comments too seriously. | ||
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crms
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Yoav
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On June 08 2016 00:47 KwarK wrote: I still have no idea how the Iron Islands, famously impoverished by their "we do not sow" attitude are going to make so many ships. They're going to cut down every tree and make sails apparently but my understanding was that they're basically a barren collection of fishing islands with bad soil, worse weather and no natural resources beyond what the sea provides. That's why they always get bitchslapped down by the mainland. They would already have the number of ships their population and economy can support and it's absolutely not going to be 1000. No way in hell they can just make and crew 1000 more, even if each ship was operated just by a skeleton crew of 10 men. We'd need 10,000 men, that's bigger than the Lannister army. Let's say half the population are female, Iron Islands population 20k. Let's say 20% mobilization, ie 4 men left at home working for every man sailing to Essos, population 100k. Let's say half the population is at military age, population 200k. The entire idea is ridiculous. This was the girlfriend's objection. (Well two objections). But the II are GoT scandanavia. So, while Pyke may be located on a fortified rock, most of it must be more forested. Bad for tilling, but fine for the forests they need. Population is trickier. My rough estimates put the Iron Islands as having around half the land area of Ireland. In the equivalent historical period, Ireland had a population around a million souls. While the Islands appear more rugged, they also appear to have some real cities (more than historical Ireland). Honestly, your 200k figure for population is not terribly unlikely, and I'd be a little surprised if the mobilization isn't significantly higher given the culture as presented. Putting it another way, do we think the Iron Islands less capable than Homer's Greece of assembling a thousand ships? (And yes, I'm assuming a certain amount of hyperbole in both cases.) It is also fairly likely that the plan is to use Iron Islanders as experts and officers over Dany's troops, who would act as reguar crewmen. | ||
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crms
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KwarK
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On June 08 2016 06:56 Hider wrote: modedit. Drop it and fuck off to the book thread. Consider this a mod warning. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On June 08 2016 03:04 Hider wrote: Your comparision makes no sense. Shaggydog is irrelevant to the story and clearly just a lose end that the writers wanted to get rid of. Arya and the faceless assasins matter. Their story needs to be explored further. Just that difference means that it is worth (over)analyzing and developing theories. Now until you can properly answer the below question, the default assumption should be that Arya wasn't stabbed: How did Arya suddenly get all those money? Where is Needle? What about Arya's hair? Didn't you notice something unusual there? And when Jaqen said "A shame - a girl had many gifts" after the Waif referred to her self as "I" and expressed her to desire to hurt Arya, I think he wasn't talking about Arya, but about the Waif. The Waif clearly showed that she was the one who wasn't noone since she had desires of her own. It's not irrelevant at all. It shows that people like to create conspiracy theories for scenes they aren't emotionally happy with. In this case Arya getting stabbed. Also it being Arya who gets stabbed here doesn't deny future plot development unless she dies (which i highly doubt) Now until you can properly answer the below question, the default assumption should be that Arya wasn't stabbed: That's ridiculous. The default assumption is that what we have seen actually happened. But sure let me try to answer these. How did Arya suddenly get all those money? How "suddenly" is it really? We don't know. The obvious solution would be that she stole it. The skills she aquired should be of use. Where is Needle? That's somewhat relevant and i don't have an answer for it (why she wouldn't wear it). So sure that might be a clue, or it might be nothing. What about Arya's hair? Didn't you notice something unusual there? It was different, so what? Maybe instead of asking me more or less irrelevant questions you should present a theory which makes some sense. As of right now we clearly saw what happened, including a scared Arya walking through the streets with wounds. On June 08 2016 05:05 blade55555 wrote: Red Viper is kind of a hater from the show I noticed. Almost every post I see from him is shitting on it. I wouldn't really heed his comments too seriously. What a productive comment. Define me as whatever you want, even if i were a hater this would change nothing for this specific argument. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9396 Posts
It's not irrelevant at all. It shows that people like to create conspiracy theories for scenes they aren't emotionally happy with. In this case Arya getting stabbed. Also it being Arya who gets stabbed here doesn't deny future plot development unless she dies (which i highly doubt) Sure they do, but its a ton more likely that there is a trick-element to a maincharacter than a character they just won't to get rid of. And regardless, its a strawman to source some peoples failed theories in order to dismiss theories from other people. Its comparable to dismissing any type of social economic policies because communism failed. How "suddenly" is it really? We don't know. The obvious solution would be that she stole it. The skills she aquired should be of use. Seems pretty unlikely. Especially given that we didn't see the scene. And when something is unlikely and there are only two types of events possible, the other must - per definition - be more likely. I also argue that her whole confidence in that scene where she gave the money seemed out of character from Arya. | ||
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