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On June 07 2016 02:55 Belha wrote:
- Have not much sense that the north houses all are close but manage different information: Mormont house belive the Starks tale about the undeads, but the other house says basically that wildlings sux.
Remember that Jeor Mormont was the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. It wouldn't be particularly surprising for House Mormont to be more disposed to believe the White Walkers are real and not simply a legend than other houses.
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On June 07 2016 08:18 BlackCompany wrote:Next week teaser spoiler: + Show Spoiler +So, why would Brienne want to ask the Blackfish to surrender? I dont see how that helps her on her mission. I doubt the Lannister will just let them all leave the castle to join the Starks.
Arya parkouring was a bummer as it pretty much gave her survival away.
Hyped to see the Mountain hopefully murder some fools!
If he surrenders his men live and they can help at winterfell.
Lannisters don't really care about the north at the minute.
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On June 07 2016 03:37 Thezzy wrote:
Instead, gored in the abdomen, which is very lethal very quickly.
From everything I've read and heard they tend to be lethal without modern care, but kill you slowly and painfully. Why pretend you're an authority on this? Remember King Robert?
The apprentice chick was clearly going for suffering over immediate lethality suggests Arya has a chance. Still she's going to need some pretty miraculous medicine or more likely, magic, to recover. Not to mention the dirty as fuck water in those canals that will have got in to the wound.
What surprised me the most was how naive/careless she was, doing some sightseeing when the faceless man had clearly given her a death threat if she failed.
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Funny how Hollywood picks and chooses who dies instantly from stab wounds and who doesn't.
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there are people who survive multiple gun shot wounds, even shot to the head, so I don't get why people make a fuss of Arya not dying to that lol. Tyrion was slashed to the head and survived, The hound stumbled down from a top of the cliff and survived. The knife stab perhaps did not hit any vital organs or that deep, who knows, someone might help her before she bled out . If for example she was slashed in her throat and survived, now that is questionable
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I like that the Hound is back but I hoped for something a bit less cliche...
The Arya situation is a loss-loss credibility wise.
If she dies, we wasted 1 good hour in the season for bollocks, if she survives, it's also bollocks. I'm disappointed by her arc a lot.
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On June 07 2016 09:23 Hyperbola wrote:
Funny how Hollywood picks and chooses who dies instantly from stab wounds and who doesn't.
well duh...because its a story, its from the point of view of the hero (the random person who managed to get lucky and make it through or w/e) why would they pick to tell the story through the dude who gets run over by a horse on the road, or any one of the nameless foot soldiers.
Theres no way arya dies from that wound, her story hasnt gone anywhere it would be a huge waste if she randomly died especially because she has no interaction with the other storylines atm. I'm on the side that jaquen finds out she "suffered" and then punishs waif and heals arya or something.
I think it has to end with waif dying either jaquen doing it or arya.
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On June 07 2016 09:23 Hyperbola wrote:
Funny how Hollywood picks and chooses who dies instantly from stab wounds and who doesn't.
So there is this thing called the script that decides that and decides who lives or dies. All the previous seasons during duels and other dramatic events, the script decided who lived and who died.
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Imho, the Arya scene is actually one of the few more or less realistic stabbing reactions seen in movies. Usually, people just immediately collapse and die for no goddamn reason.
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Realistically, Arya should die from blood loss. A fair volume of blood came flowing out under pressure following the first stab wound. The water was quite stained with blood, and you can see blood continue to flow out under pressure from the wound after she gets out of the water. This suggests the knife damaged a vessel of significant size, likely a vein given the pattern of continuous blood flow. The vessel is too large for her body to clot and stop the bleeding naturally. The volume of blood you see flowing out of her is only a portion of the blood she has lost from her circulation, as some will be pooling in her abdominal cavity internally which you cannot see.
It's difficult to control abdominal bleeding. The only way to do it definitively is to open Arya up and surgically repair the damage. A girl of Arya's size will be beyond resuscitation after approximately 1 liter of blood loss. She appears to be losing several mL of blood per second. That gives her at best 15 minutes (realistically 5 minutes) before she literally bleeds to death.
If she some how miraculously survived this wound (which she wouldn't, because she nor anyone else around her seems to know what to do to save her) she would die from abdominal sepsis. That knife definitely would have pierced her bowels. She's not fat; her bowels would be vulnerable at a depth of approx. 3cm from the surface of her skin.
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On June 07 2016 08:59 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2016 03:37 Thezzy wrote:
Instead, gored in the abdomen, which is very lethal very quickly. From everything I've read and heard they tend to be lethal without modern care, but kill you slowly and painfully. Why pretend you're an authority on this? Remember King Robert? The apprentice chick was clearly going for suffering over immediate lethality suggests Arya has a chance. Still she's going to need some pretty miraculous medicine or more likely, magic, to recover. Not to mention the dirty as fuck water in those canals that will have got in to the wound. What surprised me the most was how naive/careless she was, doing some sightseeing when the faceless man had clearly given her a death threat if she failed.
If it was a single stab, I'd agree completely.
But she was stabbed deeply multiple times and has no one to help her. Robert would've had others to immediately help him stop the bleeding and provide care.
In Arya's case, the amount of internal bleeding and blood loss alone should kill her in 5 to 10 minutes. I consider that very quickly. A single deep stab would've taken much longer to kill and cause line longer lasting agony.
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You guys are argueing about Arya surviving her stab wounds but not how the Hound is alive and kicking perfectly fine. Not even walking with a limp or anything.
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On June 07 2016 16:02 Zooper31 wrote:
You guys are argueing about Arya surviving her stab wounds but not how the Hound is alive and kicking perfectly fine. Not even walking with a limp or anything.
That had me wondered as well  (even though i think he limped slightly. i might be wrong though). I mean there was enough time for him to heal but not enough for the priest to briefly tell him "hey i thought you were dieing but i rescued you". Either that or IF the hound already knew that then the exposition that the priest told was... akward.
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On June 07 2016 10:35 Noocta wrote:
I like that the Hound is back but I hoped for something a bit less cliche...
The Arya situation is a loss-loss credibility wise.
If she dies, we wasted 1 good hour in the season for bollocks, if she survives, it's also bollocks. I'm disappointed by her arc a lot.
Except its not Arya who was stabbed.
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On June 07 2016 17:27 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2016 10:35 Noocta wrote:
I like that the Hound is back but I hoped for something a bit less cliche...
The Arya situation is a loss-loss credibility wise.
If she dies, we wasted 1 good hour in the season for bollocks, if she survives, it's also bollocks. I'm disappointed by her arc a lot. Except its not Arya who was stabbed.
I agree, I think the person who dies is not the real Arya.
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they say waif = Arya, like something Fight Club thing. waif = no one personality is trying to kill the arya inside. idk looks plausible, some guy noticed that whenever Jaqen speaks to Arya, he always sends away waif
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ppl complaining about unrealistic outcome with mortal or not wound happens in a fantasy show with dragons, zombies and magic, sigh 
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Why would the Waif dress herself up as Arya when its Arya who she is looking for?
It would give her away to the real Arya instantly. Arya having stolen a face and looking like someone else is plausible, making the Arya who got stabbed probably some random person she put the face on. Although...don't they need the face from the actual person in order to use it? Could Arya even be faked?
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On June 07 2016 16:07 BlackCompany wrote:
I mean there was enough time for him to heal but not enough for the priest to briefly tell him "hey i thought you were dieing but i rescued you". Either that or IF the hound already knew that then the exposition that the priest told was... akward.
That irked me too. Reminded me of an American Dad quote: "I understand, too, Hayley, but would you explain it anyway? I love to hear things summarized."
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On June 07 2016 09:46 shin_toss wrote:
there are people who survive multiple gun shot wounds, even shot to the head, so I don't get why people make a fuss of Arya not dying to that lol. Tyrion was slashed to the head and survived, The hound stumbled down from a top of the cliff and survived. The knife stab perhaps did not hit any vital organs or that deep, who knows, someone might help her before she bled out . If for example she was slashed in her throat and survived, now that is questionable
You do realize that surviving multiple gun shot wounds or a bullet in the head involves very advanced medical care right?
What people survive in movies is often unrealistic and when it comes to movies about the past, often complete fantasy. Before the 20th century, a deep wound, particularly in the abdomen would mean death almost systematically, so would an open fracture without amputation.
Realistically, Arya should die without the intervention of magic and so should the hound after his fall.
On June 07 2016 19:23 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:ppl complaining about unrealistic outcome with mortal or not wound happens in a fantasy show with dragons, zombies and magic, sigh
I don't think it's unfair to complain about lack of realism and plot armor in a show that specifically entertains the idea that every character could die at any moment (like they do the real world). The rules of the GoT universe are pretty clear, there may be dragons, zombies and magic but the characters are human.
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