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Yey, the Hound is back.
Sadly, the story that brought him back was rather obvious.
Give him a carrot so he won't see the stick coming. Come on.
Jamie/Bronn scenes were good. Making fun of the Freys was well done.
Blackfish is going to be interesting.
Sparrow story needs something to happen or something to go south.
Arya is dead. I mean, how can she not be?
That is a totally lethal injury right there.
Granted, I was expecting that she'd see it and there would've been an actual fight.
Instead, gored in the abdomen, which is very lethal very quickly.
I'm surprised she even made it out of the water.
The *only* thing I can possibly think of that would make *any* sense is that (to a certain point) Arya planned for this, knowing that the Faceless Men would hunt her forever, until they believed they killed her. I was expecting some kind of simple body armor or whatever. However, the scene itself and her then stumbling into the streets bleeding kinda counters that pretty hard. Even if someone magically (and it would be magical, but hey it's GoT) finds her, she should've bled out already. I do hope she survives since I'm very curious to see where her story goes, but she should be dead by all accounts.
Also, is the Waif not kinda of dead as well?
The Faceless Men clearly stated that Arya was not to suffer.
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Arya can't die, seems like she has plot armor just like Jon, Dany, Tyrion, Bran and Sansa. Maybe I shouldn't include Sansa because nobody really wanted to kill her yet but I wouldn't expect her to die in this season.
I'm worried they will ruin the season finale with Sand Snake episode
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Plot armor is a term that gets thrown around a lot when people suddenly become experts if sword fights, stab wounds and the use of magical explosives in tunnels. I find it amusing, because the way Arya was stabbed could be fatal or something she can recover from with medical help. People survive much worse in real stabbings, so its not crazy. The waif was an idiot and decided to take off the mask and gloat, rather than finish Arya off. But if she lives, people will throw around the term plot armor if they don’t like the way is resolves.
When in reality, every character that survives had plot armor from the beginning.
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I just finished rewatching the whole series last week and thought to myself "they didn't show the Hound actually dying...", nice. I hope the brothers shall clash once more!
It's going to be another slow week...
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Would be cool to see Cleganebowl for the season finale. Or the wall falling. Or Sansa + Jon retaking Winterfell.
Damn there are so many good options that could happen
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On June 07 2016 04:03 Plansix wrote:
Plot armor is a term that gets thrown around a lot when people suddenly become experts if sword fights, stab wounds and the use of magical explosives in tunnels. I find it amusing, because the way Arya was stabbed could be fatal or something she can recover from with medical help. People survive much worse in real stabbings, so its not crazy. The waif was an idiot and decided to take off the mask and gloat, rather than finish Arya off. But if she lives, people will throw around the term plot armor if they don’t like the way is resolves.
When in reality, every character that survives had plot armor from the beginning.
She got stabbed deep in her abdomen twice. The blood loss and infections alone are enough to kill her, organ failure is just an added bonus.
There is no way to survive that without modern medicine.
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If that was really Arya. Tear that mask off to reveal Jesus. Then Waif tears her mask off to reveal Arya.
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On June 07 2016 06:23 solidbebe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2016 04:03 Plansix wrote:
Plot armor is a term that gets thrown around a lot when people suddenly become experts if sword fights, stab wounds and the use of magical explosives in tunnels. I find it amusing, because the way Arya was stabbed could be fatal or something she can recover from with medical help. People survive much worse in real stabbings, so its not crazy. The waif was an idiot and decided to take off the mask and gloat, rather than finish Arya off. But if she lives, people will throw around the term plot armor if they don’t like the way is resolves.
When in reality, every character that survives had plot armor from the beginning.
She got stabbed deep in her abdomen twice. The blood loss and infections alone are enough to kill her, organ failure is just an added bonus. There is no way to survive that without modern medicine.
That knife didn't look very big to me, maybe I'm not remembering it correctly but it didn't seem like it would get that deep.
I don't think these wounds would be a death sentence as long as she can find someone with actual medical knowledge within the next 5 minutes or so, even medieval level medical knowledge would give her a chance at surviving something like that imo. Not saying a great chance but I'd give 30-40% chance which is more then enough for it to not be just 'plot armor' survival, again in my opinion and I'm no expert in these matters.
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Wouldn't she stumble back to the house of black and white, beg for help, and get turned into no-one?
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Abdominal wounds are extremely variable in their lethality, depending on any vital organs damaged or the level of medical technology: with modern medicine they're fairly non-lethal, but in the medieval era they're generally very good odds of a slow and painful death (contrary to what the Jaqen-Faceless asked for), either through blood loss or infection.
Then again magic. Also the medicine in Westeros is more advanced than the late medieval equivalent (no leeches! or at least for illnesses!), so who knows? Additionally, she was iirc stabbed in the lower abdomen: nothing particularly vital there, though a punctured intestine will still result in BAD THINGS if left perforated. If it missed anything vital/wasn't that deep (entirely, even very, possible, she was wearing thick clothes by the looks of things [makes sense, Braavos is fairly northerly and also a port city] and the abdominal muscles/fat would cushion a stab wound), and thus would not need invasive surgery or somesuch, the wound could be fairly readily dealt with by cleaning/disinfecting and stitching. She'd need to keep her immune system strong, but she can survive it if no vital organs were hit. Rate of blood loss (internal and external) dictates how long she can function before she collapses and absolutely NEEDS medical attention, but it seemed relatively slow.
Really, I don't believe the stabs were made to kill, the Waif just wants Ayra to suffer and try to recover in fear.
Besides, it would be a shitty way for the Ayra plotline to end if she did die without amounting to anything.
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That knife looks pretty weak to me. I bet it hit nothing important and she just has to clean the wound and recover.
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We think the elite faceless assassin couldn't kill Arya because the knife she brought was too weak?
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On June 07 2016 06:53 KwarK wrote:
We think the elite faceless assassin couldn't kill Arya because the knife she brought was too weak?
No, I think the faceless assassin ACOLYTE had a grudge against her and deliberately didn't kill her (lower abdominal stab wounds instead of upper [where liver and other more vital organs are] or chest/throat stabs), and decided to toy with her instead.
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Yeah, there was nothing elite about the waif. Just a snotty bully who didn't like the new student. She is better at fighting than Arya, who is just a kid and not well trained. And she would have brought the knife she could easily hide.
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On June 07 2016 06:55 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2016 06:53 KwarK wrote:
We think the elite faceless assassin couldn't kill Arya because the knife she brought was too weak? No, I think the faceless assassin ACOLYTE had a grudge against her and deliberately didn't kill her (lower abdominal stab wounds instead of upper [where liver and other more vital organs are] or chest/throat stabs), and decided to toy with her instead.
Pretty much this. That knife could definitely kill if she stabbed her in a better spot. Or just slit her throat, but the Waif was cocky and showed emotion, two things a faceless assassin shouldn't do, so she failed.
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Obviously Arya is not going to die, at least not from this. Basic laws of film making pretty much guarantee survival on a cliffhanger like that. I mean honestly, I dont think it has ever been done in a series to end with a cliffhanger and then let the character die in the next episode anyways... They kinda gave it away for free by showing her walking through the streets bleeding, that scene is completely unnecessary unless you want to show the viewer that she survived. If they would have wanted to keep the viewer in the dark, they would have just ended the scene with the shot of the water turning red from the blood.
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That's what will piss Jaqcuen off. He specifically said to not make her suffer.
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Next week teaser spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +So, why would Brienne want to ask the Blackfish to surrender? I dont see how that helps her on her mission. I doubt the Lannister will just let them all leave the castle to join the Starks.
Arya parkouring was a bummer as it pretty much gave her survival away.
Hyped to see the Mountain hopefully murder some fools!
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I'd be really mad if they killed off a character (Arya) after a whole season of building her up. Ned PTSD still going strong.
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