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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
June 07 2016 11:04 GMT
#30521
On June 07 2016 19:23 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
ppl complaining about unrealistic outcome with mortal or not wound happens in a fantasy show with dragons, zombies and magic, sigh

Well, if she's healed through magic, there's no reason to complain indeed. If she survives by herself? Afaik human bodies seem to work the same way in GoT and in the real world.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-07 11:09:27
June 07 2016 11:07 GMT
#30522
On June 07 2016 20:04 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 19:23 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
ppl complaining about unrealistic outcome with mortal or not wound happens in a fantasy show with dragons, zombies and magic, sigh

Well, if she's healed through magic, there's no reason to complain indeed. If she survives by herself? Afaik human bodies seem to work the same way in GoT and in the real world.

Well it is a TV show and that is a natural part of TV shows work. It is a fruitless decision to have, because it is mostly about where someone chooses to stop suspending their disbelief.
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Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-07 11:18:55
June 07 2016 11:18 GMT
#30523
On June 07 2016 20:04 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 19:23 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
ppl complaining about unrealistic outcome with mortal or not wound happens in a fantasy show with dragons, zombies and magic, sigh

Well, if she's healed through magic, there's no reason to complain indeed. If she survives by herself? Afaik human bodies seem to work the same way in GoT and in the real world.


It's not rly something beyond our imagination that Arya may survive even with that wounds? We know she was trained hard, maybe she has some improved skills, and possibly she's gonna get some sort of help from red priest, or actors - we will see.

What they've done to Arya is not even half as bad what they've done to Dorne
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
June 07 2016 11:21 GMT
#30524
On June 07 2016 20:18 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 20:04 OtherWorld wrote:
On June 07 2016 19:23 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
ppl complaining about unrealistic outcome with mortal or not wound happens in a fantasy show with dragons, zombies and magic, sigh

Well, if she's healed through magic, there's no reason to complain indeed. If she survives by herself? Afaik human bodies seem to work the same way in GoT and in the real world.


It's not rly something beyond our imagination that Arya may survive even with that wounds? We know she was trained hard, maybe she has some improved skills, and possibly she's gonna get some sort of help from red priest, or actors - we will see.

What they've done to Arya is not even half as bad what they've done to Dorne

Hmm, as stated before that's possible but unlikely, and really unlikely without any help, she'll have infections all over the place. Help from red priests or medics is very possible though.
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Quateras
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany867 Posts
June 07 2016 12:12 GMT
#30525
Can someone explain me the Yara(? sister of Theon) plan?

She tries to do the exact same thing that Euron is doing with giving ships to Danny, but doesnt actually have any shipbuilding people to make 1000 ?
I'm confused the whole plan seemed so weird to me, what am i missing?
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7200 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-07 12:27:38
June 07 2016 12:19 GMT
#30526
On June 07 2016 21:12 Quateras wrote:
Can someone explain me the Yara(? sister of Theon) plan?

She tries to do the exact same thing that Euron is doing with giving ships to Danny, but doesnt actually have any shipbuilding people to make 1000 ?
I'm confused the whole plan seemed so weird to me, what am i missing?


She is gonna seduce Dany and they live happily ever after

Also: Boobs Yea

And some Arya discussion: Since the water of the rive seems pretty cold, doesn't that like reduce the bloodflow by a lot? So many doctors/ nurses here...

EDIT: Guessing it was Jaquen with Arya face. Would explain a lot
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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
June 07 2016 12:33 GMT
#30527
On June 07 2016 21:12 Quateras wrote:
Can someone explain me the Yara(? sister of Theon) plan?

She tries to do the exact same thing that Euron is doing with giving ships to Danny, but doesnt actually have any shipbuilding people to make 1000 ?
I'm confused the whole plan seemed so weird to me, what am i missing?


She already has the ships, she stole the entire Greyjoy fleet.

It's perhaps not enough to carry all of the Dothraki/Unsullied across, but it's a nice start
craz3d
Profile Joined August 2005
Bulgaria856 Posts
June 07 2016 12:52 GMT
#30528
On June 07 2016 09:46 shin_toss wrote:
there are people who survive multiple gun shot wounds, even shot to the head, so I don't get why people make a fuss of Arya not dying to that lol. Tyrion was slashed to the head and survived, The hound stumbled down from a top of the cliff and survived. The knife stab perhaps did not hit any vital organs or that deep, who knows, someone might help her before she bled out . If for example she was slashed in her throat and survived, now that is questionable

Without some sort of intervention she should die from infection, especially after taking a swim in the dirty water with her multiple stab wounds.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-07 13:23:18
June 07 2016 13:08 GMT
#30529
On June 07 2016 21:52 craz3d wrote:
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On June 07 2016 09:46 shin_toss wrote:
there are people who survive multiple gun shot wounds, even shot to the head, so I don't get why people make a fuss of Arya not dying to that lol. Tyrion was slashed to the head and survived, The hound stumbled down from a top of the cliff and survived. The knife stab perhaps did not hit any vital organs or that deep, who knows, someone might help her before she bled out . If for example she was slashed in her throat and survived, now that is questionable

Without some sort of intervention she should die from infection, especially after taking a swim in the dirty water with her multiple stab wounds.

The world of GoT has shown that treating infection is common knowledge, otherwise a lot of other characters would have died. It is just a question of if Arya can find treatment or medicine to treat herself. Despite this being a grounded medieval fantasy, there are a lot of fields that are more advanced than historical medieval times.
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yotis
Profile Joined September 2011
Czech Republic652 Posts
June 07 2016 13:31 GMT
#30530
On June 07 2016 21:33 Laurens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 21:12 Quateras wrote:
Can someone explain me the Yara(? sister of Theon) plan?

She tries to do the exact same thing that Euron is doing with giving ships to Danny, but doesnt actually have any shipbuilding people to make 1000 ?
I'm confused the whole plan seemed so weird to me, what am i missing?


She already has the ships, she stole the entire Greyjoy fleet.

It's perhaps not enough to carry all of the Dothraki/Unsullied across, but it's a nice start


Doesn't she plan to steal the fleet that is yet to be built by Euron? (The largest fleet ever seen)
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 07 2016 13:33 GMT
#30531
I bet if she was backed up by three dragons that would be very possible. My limited knowledge of boat combat in the era tells me that fire continues to be very bad.
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haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2727 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-07 13:39:26
June 07 2016 13:39 GMT
#30532
On June 07 2016 22:33 Plansix wrote:
My limited knowledge of boat combat in the era tells me that fire continues to be very bad.


Stannis can confirm you that.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
June 07 2016 14:49 GMT
#30533
I bet Yara & Theon are going to mention that their uncle is planning on building 1K ships and make alliance with Daenerys, and Danny will be way more interested in 1000 freshly built ships than in the fistful of ships they're proposing
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 07 2016 15:08 GMT
#30534
I think it is all going to hinge on Tryion. He is the only one who has any information on the history of Iron Born and the internal struggles. If he believes Yara & Theon, Dany will side with them.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
June 07 2016 15:34 GMT
#30535
People thinking this wasn't arya are probably the same people who pretended that Shaggydog isn't really dead and that it's all a big plan!
The truth is that the show doesn't do these things anymore, it's all pretty straight forward these days.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43984 Posts
June 07 2016 15:47 GMT
#30536
I still have no idea how the Iron Islands, famously impoverished by their "we do not sow" attitude are going to make so many ships. They're going to cut down every tree and make sails apparently but my understanding was that they're basically a barren collection of fishing islands with bad soil, worse weather and no natural resources beyond what the sea provides. That's why they always get bitchslapped down by the mainland. They would already have the number of ships their population and economy can support and it's absolutely not going to be 1000. No way in hell they can just make and crew 1000 more, even if each ship was operated just by a skeleton crew of 10 men. We'd need 10,000 men, that's bigger than the Lannister army. Let's say half the population are female, Iron Islands population 20k. Let's say 20% mobilization, ie 4 men left at home working for every man sailing to Essos, population 100k. Let's say half the population is at military age, population 200k. The entire idea is ridiculous.
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Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-07 16:00:11
June 07 2016 15:54 GMT
#30537
On June 08 2016 00:47 KwarK wrote:
I still have no idea how the Iron Islands, famously impoverished by their "we do not sow" attitude are going to make so many ships. They're going to cut down every tree and make sails apparently but my understanding was that they're basically a barren collection of fishing islands with bad soil, worse weather and no natural resources beyond what the sea provides. That's why they always get bitchslapped down by the mainland. They would already have the number of ships their population and economy can support and it's absolutely not going to be 1000. No way in hell they can just make and crew 1000 more, even if each ship was operated just by a skeleton crew of 10 men. We'd need 10,000 men, that's bigger than the Lannister army. Let's say half the population are female, Iron Islands population 20k. Let's say 20% mobilization, ie 4 men left at home working for every man sailing to Essos, population 100k. Let's say half the population is at military age, population 200k. The entire idea is ridiculous.

u've got a point with the resources, but i dont think he is going to sail with 1000ships to danny, more like a couple (maybe 100) than explain to danny that he can ferry the unsullied across, it would be pretty crazy to mass move her whole army across in one go they've never been on a boat so eurons men would have to do the main bits and teach them along the way. So the next time maybe more ships can begin to start ferrying.

i dont get the whole arya is waif is jaquen thing....just way too fucking werid and idk how people thought of this theory in the first place.
Arya was last scene hiding her sword near her bed, and than getting a ship organised. Waif is out there to kill her because fuck her, if jaquen is pretending to be arya no way he lets himself get stabbed and even if he was she wouldnt have walked around the market place wet, bleeding and looking terrified.
Waif being arya's no name side (like some fight club shit) seems so far fetched, with all the wounds shes has and waif appearing as soon as arya was in the house of the dead, im pretty sure even see waif and jaquen doing some body cleaning shit which arya wasnt allowed to even be in the room.
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Sableyeah
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands2119 Posts
June 07 2016 16:06 GMT
#30538
Why is noone surprised that Arya survived? It was a bad assasination attempt by the Waif but how the hell can Arya survive that. The Waif is a fullfletched Faceless man how can she not kill Arya? :/ Don't make such a scene and completely destroy our view on them, such a pointless scene.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 07 2016 16:42 GMT
#30539
First: People were surprised. Second: The waif was not a full fledge Faceless, but an arrogant child in training who liked to bully Arya. She got cocky and wanted to let Arya know who killed her. Arya survived due to that. Which is exactly how I expected it to pan out, tbh.
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12461 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-07 17:18:45
June 07 2016 17:17 GMT
#30540
A lot of people seem clouded by the notion that GRRM wants to do realistic fantasy. He doesn't. It's a shortcut description of what he actually wants to do (a deconstruction) that gets you in trouble every time you want to describe his work.

- classical fantasy: women are not treated very badly.
- deconstruction: in the world you create, women are treated very badly. Show Daenerys being sold to a barbarian to advance her brother's plan.
- realism: Daenerys continues to be a victim and amounts to not much for anyone cause the Dothraki really don't give a fuck what you want when you're a woman. Drogo keeps being Drogo.
- deconstruction: actually Daenerys turns out to be a badass with dragons and rules the Dothraki.

- classical fantasy: child goes on a journey through a dangerous world, meets wonderful people and has adventures. The experience makes them a better person.
- deconstruction: Arya goes on a journey through a dangerous world, meets wonderful people and has adventures. Everyone dies around her and it traumatizes her. She becomes a worse and worse individual with each book.
- realism: Arya goes on a journey through a dangerous world and is killed after three days because lone children don't fare well in war torn countries.
- deconstruction: Arya survives as long as you have something to say about the "children's journeys in fantasy" trope.
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