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Seems pretty unlikely. Especially given that we didn't see the scene.
We didn't see a lot of stuff this season which should have been shown. (like Sansa reacting to Jon's resurrection or any supernatural element, Theon and Yara somehow being able to steal that many ships, and a ton of other stuff)
This season has a very fast pace and the show is skipping a lot of scenes which would develop the plot in a more natural/nuanced way.
I interprete her having money the same way. Would be nice if we had a scene, but the show doesn't do that anymore.
I also argue that her whole confidence in that scene where she gave the money seemed out of character from Arya.
And i argue that the show doesn't shy away from doing out of character stuff when it advances the plot. The way Davos reacted at the start of the season is a good example.
I am also not saying that because Shaggydog's conspiracy theory wasn't true this one isn't as well. I am simply pointing out that people tend to overanalyze scenes they aren't happy with. Shaggdydog being dead and Rickon being a captive of Ramsay => Has to be a conspiracy, there is a plan!
Stannis' death not shown => oh he is still alive, don't you worry!
Arya being stabbed => No way this can be true, it's rather Jaqen sacrificing himself!11 (really?)
People surely would like it if there was more complexity in these scenarious, but as i said befoe the truth is that the show doesn't operate like that (anymore). The pacing is too fast, we only have like 17 episodes left for the whole story.
17 episodes for (at least) 2000 pages of content. D&D are in "let's come to an end" mode right now, there is no place for intricate plot arcs anymore most likely.
But yes sure, it would be more plausible in general to do this with a main character like arya i guess.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the faceless men can only use a face that's in the hall. Arya's isn't, so it has to be the real her. Perhaps there is some moral code amongst the faceless men (they don't just kill anyone for money - it's not like they need the cash), and Arya passed that test, even on pain of death.The final test was surviving the assassination, which also doubled as a test of the bullying apprentice.
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People who are confused at how Theon got to Valantis so fast are falling into a common time trap where you assume when you watch scenes on the show that they are happening at the same time when in reality there is no reason to assume that unless something is happening to confirm it. For example the only thing we know about when everything involving the Iron Islands takes place is that its taking place over the several months since Theon and Sansa escaped and parted ways. After that there is nothing to confirm which happens in what order.
As for how Arya got the money I considered it a good test of her faceless training that she is able to easily steal the money fromsome rich passerby and use it to get what she wants which was the entire reason she was pretending to be one of them in the first place and it shows that she at least learned some of there skills during her time there if not all of them.
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When all is done I wonder if the scenes of GoT will be cut and reordered by fans to make a better timeline.
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Also GoT RTS pls even a Total War Mod would do
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On June 08 2016 08:28 The_Red_Viper wrote: We didn't see a lot of stuff this season which should have been shown. (like Sansa reacting to Jon's resurrection or any supernatural element, Theon and Yara somehow being able to steal that many ships, and a ton of other stuff) This season has a very fast pace and the show is skipping a lot of scenes which would develop the plot in a more natural/nuanced way. I interprete her having money the same way. Would be nice if we had a scene, but the show doesn't do that anymore. Show nested quote +I also argue that her whole confidence in that scene where she gave the money seemed out of character from Arya.
And i argue that the show doesn't shy away from doing out of character stuff when it advances the plot. The way Davos reacted at the start of the season is a good example. I am also not saying that because Shaggydog's conspiracy theory wasn't true this one isn't as well. I am simply pointing out that people tend to overanalyze scenes they aren't happy with. Shaggdydog being dead and Rickon being a captive of Ramsay => Has to be a conspiracy, there is a plan! Stannis' death not shown => oh he is still alive, don't you worry! Arya being stabbed => No way this can be true, it's rather Jaqen sacrificing himself!11 (really?) People surely would like it if there was more complexity in these scenarious, but as i said befoe the truth is that the show doesn't operate like that (anymore). The pacing is too fast, we only have like 17 episodes left for the whole story. 17 episodes for (at least) 2000 pages of content. D&D are in "let's come to an end" mode right now, there is no place for intricate plot arcs anymore most likely. But yes sure, it would be more plausible in general to do this with a main character like arya i guess.
Arya isn't dead. It wouldn't leave her fate open ended like that since she's a main character.
Stannis is 100% dead. Breanne even bragged about it to his followers.
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Perhaps death is arya's graduation, now that she's shown a moral compass. Have we seen them kill any good people? Why havent the lannisters hired them? Its clear that they dont need to take every contract for money. So maybe they are arbiters as well as purveyors of death. The faceless men not being fully alive wouldnt surprise me either.
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On June 08 2016 08:53 Scarecrow wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the faceless men can only use a face that's in the hall. Arya's isn't, so it has to be the real her. Perhaps there is some moral code amongst the faceless men (they don't just kill anyone for money - it's not like they need the cash), and Arya passed that test, even on pain of death.The final test was surviving the assassination, which also doubled as a test of the bullying apprentice.
I thought this too, but I was told that Jaqen has already used Arya's face in S5.
I should really learn to rewatch the last season when the new one is about to air, I'd completely forgotten about this.
So yeah, it could be Jaqen, he has worn Arya's face before despite it not being in the hall. How this is possible, idk.
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Well that opens up the possibility it isn't Arya. Would make sense seeing as the sightseeing of Braavos made 0 sense. Seems stupid that they have a hall of faces and cut faces off corpses, but aren't reliant on them at all. I guess maybe it's a bunch of ritual, mystic crap based off of the original magic.
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There is speculation that she was hallucinating during that scene, i mean she pulls like 5 faces off of "jaqen" in a row, plus the waif turns into jaqen standing behind her, and immediately goes blind. She was probably already drugged at that point so what she saw might not have been real.
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On June 08 2016 12:49 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 08:28 The_Red_Viper wrote:Seems pretty unlikely. Especially given that we didn't see the scene. We didn't see a lot of stuff this season which should have been shown. (like Sansa reacting to Jon's resurrection or any supernatural element, Theon and Yara somehow being able to steal that many ships, and a ton of other stuff) This season has a very fast pace and the show is skipping a lot of scenes which would develop the plot in a more natural/nuanced way. I interprete her having money the same way. Would be nice if we had a scene, but the show doesn't do that anymore. I also argue that her whole confidence in that scene where she gave the money seemed out of character from Arya.
And i argue that the show doesn't shy away from doing out of character stuff when it advances the plot. The way Davos reacted at the start of the season is a good example. I am also not saying that because Shaggydog's conspiracy theory wasn't true this one isn't as well. I am simply pointing out that people tend to overanalyze scenes they aren't happy with. Shaggdydog being dead and Rickon being a captive of Ramsay => Has to be a conspiracy, there is a plan! Stannis' death not shown => oh he is still alive, don't you worry! Arya being stabbed => No way this can be true, it's rather Jaqen sacrificing himself!11 (really?) People surely would like it if there was more complexity in these scenarious, but as i said befoe the truth is that the show doesn't operate like that (anymore). The pacing is too fast, we only have like 17 episodes left for the whole story. 17 episodes for (at least) 2000 pages of content. D&D are in "let's come to an end" mode right now, there is no place for intricate plot arcs anymore most likely. But yes sure, it would be more plausible in general to do this with a main character like arya i guess. Arya isn't dead. It wouldn't leave her fate open ended like that since she's a main character. Stannis is 100% dead. Breanne even bragged about it to his followers.
brien can lie
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On June 08 2016 21:06 KOFgokuon wrote:
There is speculation that she was hallucinating during that scene, i mean she pulls like 5 faces off of "jaqen" in a row, plus the waif turns into jaqen standing behind her, and immediately goes blind. She was probably already drugged at that point so what she saw might not have been real.
What do you mean, already drugged? In that scene she goes back from her killing, put the face on the wall and then Jaqen and the Waif show up. There is zero reason to believe she was drugged at any point.
I don't really understand the discussion about these powers, maybe Jaqen doesn't need to take a face from the wall to change or he doesn't have to if the face he takes isn't from a dead person, maybe the death ritual of preping the corpses has nothing to do with their face-swap magic and is just a ritual for their god, etc
We don't have a lot of informations about their powers so speculating seems kind of pointless.
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On June 08 2016 21:13 FFGenerations wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 12:49 killa_robot wrote:On June 08 2016 08:28 The_Red_Viper wrote:Seems pretty unlikely. Especially given that we didn't see the scene. We didn't see a lot of stuff this season which should have been shown. (like Sansa reacting to Jon's resurrection or any supernatural element, Theon and Yara somehow being able to steal that many ships, and a ton of other stuff) This season has a very fast pace and the show is skipping a lot of scenes which would develop the plot in a more natural/nuanced way. I interprete her having money the same way. Would be nice if we had a scene, but the show doesn't do that anymore. I also argue that her whole confidence in that scene where she gave the money seemed out of character from Arya.
And i argue that the show doesn't shy away from doing out of character stuff when it advances the plot. The way Davos reacted at the start of the season is a good example. I am also not saying that because Shaggydog's conspiracy theory wasn't true this one isn't as well. I am simply pointing out that people tend to overanalyze scenes they aren't happy with. Shaggdydog being dead and Rickon being a captive of Ramsay => Has to be a conspiracy, there is a plan! Stannis' death not shown => oh he is still alive, don't you worry! Arya being stabbed => No way this can be true, it's rather Jaqen sacrificing himself!11 (really?) People surely would like it if there was more complexity in these scenarious, but as i said befoe the truth is that the show doesn't operate like that (anymore). The pacing is too fast, we only have like 17 episodes left for the whole story. 17 episodes for (at least) 2000 pages of content. D&D are in "let's come to an end" mode right now, there is no place for intricate plot arcs anymore most likely. But yes sure, it would be more plausible in general to do this with a main character like arya i guess. Arya isn't dead. It wouldn't leave her fate open ended like that since she's a main character. Stannis is 100% dead. Breanne even bragged about it to his followers. brien can lie
BLASPHEMY !
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On June 08 2016 21:49 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 21:06 KOFgokuon wrote:
There is speculation that she was hallucinating during that scene, i mean she pulls like 5 faces off of "jaqen" in a row, plus the waif turns into jaqen standing behind her, and immediately goes blind. She was probably already drugged at that point so what she saw might not have been real. What do you mean, already drugged? In that scene she goes back from her killing, put the face on the wall and then Jaqen and the Waif show up. There is zero reason to believe she was drugged at any point. I don't really understand the discussion about these powers, maybe Jaqen doesn't need to take a face from the wall to change or he doesn't have to if the face he takes isn't from a dead person, maybe the death ritual of preping the corpses has nothing to do with their face-swap magic and is just a ritual for their god, etc We don't have a lot of informations about their powers so speculating seems kind of pointless.
Her eyes went blind from contact with the mask, "as good as poison" so it's not much of a stretch to say she was hallucinating after using one improperly.
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just read somewhere that season finale will be a 69 min long ep. imo should be longer since we get 10mins less from every ep in this season
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Yeah, the episodes feel slightly too short.
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Ah, I didn't know they were shorter, but I was surprised when the credits came up a couple of times since they felt so short. We need moar GoT!
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