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On May 27 2015 08:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Meh the Cersei plotline was so predictable. I mean 'she's not as smart as she thinks she is' from Tywin is true but I hate that they made her retarded. She didn't survive so long on her own because she's an idiot. Putting power to people who make sinners pay while she's the biggest sinner in king's landing. What can go wrong... I hate the faith plotline. The kings/queens ruled with power of force, where the fuck are the guards/soldiers/bannermen/sellswords to make their will happen...
Tommen crying I can't do anything while Geoffrey hanged who ever the fuck he liked. He was a crazy murderous brat but people obeyed his command as the king. Robert never cared about no rules... Tyrells supposed to be the 2nd mightiest house let their two most important heirs rot in a dungeon with no response other than old mother begging people... where's the army they beat Stannis with? It's a break in consistency that makes the houses and the throne itself look powerless, while the powerstruggle between these houses for the throne is the whole baseline of the series. Royalty have power because they have the force to back it up. Fuck this dumb writing. Sorry I ranted about this last week as well but it's ruining the series for me.
Also, if Danaeris has demanded in her contract that they don't show her boobs, please don't put her in scenes where she has to continuously cover them in an extremely obvious way, as that's annoyingly fourth wall breaking in this series.
I did enjoy Jorah showing his fighting skills so all is not lost. Also they didn't kill Bronn which makes me very happy. Theon being a cowardly mutt was also a good choice, he's not a hero type.
The Tyrell army might be the one they killed Stannis with, but it's one thing to fight off an invading army, and another to crush a popular revolt. Remember Varys's example to Tyrion about a sellsword standing between a rich man, a king and a priest where each one wants the other two dead? Power resides wherever people think it does. And in King's Landing, the power looks like it's in the hands of the priests, and that's where all the people are slowly migrating to. If the Tyrells go in to purge King's Landing, you could see a large fraction of the army defect and go after their old commanders instead.
Royalty only have power because people think they do. Joffrey only had power because Tywin was around to keep it there. If he was still around right now to kickstart the holocaust, you'd see just how fast the Lannisters could get booted out of the Red Keep.
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On May 27 2015 08:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Meh the Cersei plotline was so predictable. I mean 'she's not as smart as she thinks she is' from Tywin is true but I hate that they made her retarded. She didn't survive so long on her own because she's an idiot. Putting power to people who make sinners pay while she's the biggest sinner in king's landing. What can go wrong... I hate the faith plotline. The kings/queens ruled with power of force, where the fuck are the guards/soldiers/bannermen/sellswords to make their will happen...
Tommen crying I can't do anything while Geoffrey hanged who ever the fuck he liked. He was a crazy murderous brat but people obeyed his command as the king. Robert never cared about no rules... Tyrells supposed to be the 2nd mightiest house let their two most important heirs rot in a dungeon with no response other than old mother begging people... where's the army they beat Stannis with? It's a break in consistency that makes the houses and the throne itself look powerless, while the powerstruggle between these houses for the throne is the whole baseline of the series. Royalty have power because they have the force to back it up. Fuck this dumb writing. Sorry I ranted about this last week as well but it's ruining the series for me.
I'll agree with your first point. Cersei empowering the sparrows without considering Lancel's potential to fuck her over was absolutely moronic.
Disagree with the other point though. Tyrells sent Olenna (without an army) in the hopes of settling things diplomatically and I'd imagine they didn't expect the new High Septon would be so devout in his duties. Additionally, Mace Tyrell is away in Bravos (sent by Cersei).
I'd imagine they don't want to handle things by force as:
1) Margaery and Loras would be put at risk what with already being captured.
2) These are very unstable times with the aftermath of a war, the loss of good leadership, financial crisis and the previous King already pissing everyone off. Do they really want to rock the boat by attacking the faith that placates the masses? Especially considering the High Sparrow is apparently very popular among the low-borns. Then there's the issue of those who still believe Tommen is a product of incest, casting further doubt on the legitimacy of the crown in the first place. Sounds like a good way to provoke a riot.
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On May 26 2015 19:38 Shock710 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +while i extremely dislike cersi, i also hate the faith people they seem so eugh...the high sparrow i dont think was a main player of the game like he would litterally be nothing if cersi didnt give him power that fact hes in the "game" is cause cersi isnt as smart as she thinks she is (yeah tywin!) but now he suddenly decdies well i know exactly what to do to screw everyone over so i win! yay. ??? wtf, i dont get his response to Olenas threat to pull out of kings landing, okay yeah u have the "many" but alot of the many are cripples, starved, dumb and weak i dont care how many of these guys you have (to a reasonable county standard) a 1000 knights are gonna plow through them in a day. Who says they even want to fight, sure they're living a shitty life now but what exactly would the septon make them fight for, he has no gold no food (as much as he doesnt want those things, um im sure 99% of people do) he might not break from his will im sure his followers will (maybe no the 10 most closest, but the further down you go the more people are gonna be less inclined to listen when theres a sack of gold infront of them) Again with the threat of "war" the response the faith could do is just kill the prisoners right? im not even sure that would work thats like the first thing olenna would consider, boom hired 10 faceless men GG no re. they dont even have to be faceless a single random dude got into Brans room in season 1 in winterfell which when manned apparently couldnt be taken down, sure its not manned but the castles got to have a harder layout and more trained guards than the septons have. Those are just idiots with clubs??? Why no just break out magergy and loras kill the septon and just be like fuck you kings landing we're gone! What then what can any of the faith do, march to highgarden and fight on their lands? completely leadless, no war experience with any of them, no supplies, nothing, how could kings landing even come after them, start a war? no food no supplies your dead on the road to highgarden. I just really dislike the septon story, they explain some of the power they could have over people but really i dont see how any one especailly royalty doesnt just stomp them out with the gold they have (wouldnt even take much, an assassin would have the easiest time of his life there this guards dont know shit about guarding have 1st time experience who no one teaching them. Anyway enough of that rant (i just hate brutality of almost any kind especially the mob/crowd kind), i never really liked sansa even after her change but i really hope she makes it out the story is really interesting but cringy in a horror way. glad bronn lived :D that girl is really cute boobs aside. im also glad jorah got to see danny again (even tho she still hates him, at this point ive even forgotten why someone remind me again) i was expecting jorah to go into a bigger arena fight a bunch of dudes make it to the finals (only then does danny attend) and the while jorah is fighting tyrion is his manager or something (making lots of hype and money so the slave master lets them) and in the great finals jorah wins but is super badly hurt and then danny sees him he goes to have to treated for his wounds but then oh no he has that greyskin and he dies in dannys arms (well not literally), but yeah thats what i thougth was going to happen especially with his luck. Currently maybe hes luck is looking up, danny will be like fuck you tyrion time to die, then tyrion will be like i killed my dad and then varys will come and be like "im already friends with the queen" and then tyrion join, jorah is forgiven, jorah is cured. Next season danny goes to westros and everyone else dies and she wins, until bran comes and mind controls the dragon but gets trapped in its body oh noes, he kills hodor in a moment he loses control with dragon fire, hating himself and the world he kills everyone with fire maybe a volcano errupts and helps him kill everyone he then dives into the volcano making it explode killing the whitewalkers coming the explosion is soooo big that all the ice in the north melts and everyone is dead. On May 26 2015 19:18 Quateras wrote:
Really disappointed in Sansa, i expected her to *play the game* and try to build a rift between Ramsay and his father, by telling him stuff like "mothers can die, or baby's can die in their sleep"and then have them fight or at least scheming with Ramsay so he will be the warden of the north for sure and thus make him follow her commands/using him.
Instead she is season 2 and 3 and 4 Sansa :-( thats a really good point, she could totattly play the game of "kill dads other kid" and the mum, make the other girl ramsey sleeps with also end on bad terms with him, roose ofcourse doesnt approve of the death of his other kid and tries to control ramsey, ramsey in a fit of rage kills him, in his shock (Theon gets behind him and slices off his finger, turning around in pain and shock he screams as sansa and theon beat him to death with firepokers The end
The idea would be that Cersei has screwed herself by creating a beast to swallow up her enemies, which has then turned on her, with no allies left to help. The high sparrow's point was just that it might create a huge amount of popular resentment if the Tyrells essentially starve the population, which might ultimately lead to big trouble for the Tyrells (as Varys points out in s2, power resides where people think it resides - that means popular revolution is entirely possible).
On the other hand, "magergy" is the best spelling of that name I've seen so far.
I'm curious as to what will be happening in the last three episodes, which should be really climactic. All four previous seasons have held some very awful climactic moment, usually in ep.8 or 9. Season 1, there was Ned's execution; season 2 had Stannis' loss at the Blackwater, which maybe wasn't an unequivocally bad thing (I'm sure a lot of people like Tyrion enough to make that worth cheering for the bad guys overall, almost including me, though remember that Tyrion also lost the Blackwater); season 3 had RW; season 4 had the Viper and the Mountain, which for me was more disturbing to watch than RW. On the other hand, Watchers on the Wall was also a climax similar to the Blackwater, but didn't go as miserably - yay! Maybe it's a sign that not all full-episode battles have to end like the blackwater?!
The current big stuff being built up to in Season 5 would be something like the following: probably a climax to the harpy dudes conflict, and Stannis' invasion of Winterfell, which has to happen in episode 9 or something. What happens to Cersei's a bit unclear, but there might be courtroom drama again I guess. Dorne - who cares about Dorne? That whole part of the show has felt like filler parts of an Anime or something.
Also, I was surprised to see Ramsay react with impunity at Sansa's semi-challenging comments, which were almost similar to the way she taunted Joffrey before the Blackwater ("Of course you'll be in the vanguard", etc), and I think there's a possibility that she could play him against his father - it's the only area where his character is ruled by irrationality and fear, as opposed to his usual cunning. His fear of being deposed by a legitimate heir might make him blind to the fact that it's just something Sansa is doing to ruin him, but there hasn't been that much indication yet that she has the coolness or capability of doing this (though ep. 7 was the strongest yet, this season).
edit: alright, I guess Ygritte's and Tywin's death were also pretty notable at the end of s4. But, Oberyn's death was far more traumatic - the way his entire character was humiliated and brutalized physically in an instant after having been maintained the entire season, I mean, that's the true rape of a character.
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On May 27 2015 10:18 marttorn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 19:38 Shock710 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +while i extremely dislike cersi, i also hate the faith people they seem so eugh...the high sparrow i dont think was a main player of the game like he would litterally be nothing if cersi didnt give him power that fact hes in the "game" is cause cersi isnt as smart as she thinks she is (yeah tywin!) but now he suddenly decdies well i know exactly what to do to screw everyone over so i win! yay. ??? wtf, i dont get his response to Olenas threat to pull out of kings landing, okay yeah u have the "many" but alot of the many are cripples, starved, dumb and weak i dont care how many of these guys you have (to a reasonable county standard) a 1000 knights are gonna plow through them in a day. Who says they even want to fight, sure they're living a shitty life now but what exactly would the septon make them fight for, he has no gold no food (as much as he doesnt want those things, um im sure 99% of people do) he might not break from his will im sure his followers will (maybe no the 10 most closest, but the further down you go the more people are gonna be less inclined to listen when theres a sack of gold infront of them) Again with the threat of "war" the response the faith could do is just kill the prisoners right? im not even sure that would work thats like the first thing olenna would consider, boom hired 10 faceless men GG no re. they dont even have to be faceless a single random dude got into Brans room in season 1 in winterfell which when manned apparently couldnt be taken down, sure its not manned but the castles got to have a harder layout and more trained guards than the septons have. Those are just idiots with clubs??? Why no just break out magergy and loras kill the septon and just be like fuck you kings landing we're gone! What then what can any of the faith do, march to highgarden and fight on their lands? completely leadless, no war experience with any of them, no supplies, nothing, how could kings landing even come after them, start a war? no food no supplies your dead on the road to highgarden. I just really dislike the septon story, they explain some of the power they could have over people but really i dont see how any one especailly royalty doesnt just stomp them out with the gold they have (wouldnt even take much, an assassin would have the easiest time of his life there this guards dont know shit about guarding have 1st time experience who no one teaching them. Anyway enough of that rant (i just hate brutality of almost any kind especially the mob/crowd kind), i never really liked sansa even after her change but i really hope she makes it out the story is really interesting but cringy in a horror way. glad bronn lived :D that girl is really cute boobs aside. im also glad jorah got to see danny again (even tho she still hates him, at this point ive even forgotten why someone remind me again) i was expecting jorah to go into a bigger arena fight a bunch of dudes make it to the finals (only then does danny attend) and the while jorah is fighting tyrion is his manager or something (making lots of hype and money so the slave master lets them) and in the great finals jorah wins but is super badly hurt and then danny sees him he goes to have to treated for his wounds but then oh no he has that greyskin and he dies in dannys arms (well not literally), but yeah thats what i thougth was going to happen especially with his luck. Currently maybe hes luck is looking up, danny will be like fuck you tyrion time to die, then tyrion will be like i killed my dad and then varys will come and be like "im already friends with the queen" and then tyrion join, jorah is forgiven, jorah is cured. Next season danny goes to westros and everyone else dies and she wins, until bran comes and mind controls the dragon but gets trapped in its body oh noes, he kills hodor in a moment he loses control with dragon fire, hating himself and the world he kills everyone with fire maybe a volcano errupts and helps him kill everyone he then dives into the volcano making it explode killing the whitewalkers coming the explosion is soooo big that all the ice in the north melts and everyone is dead. On May 26 2015 19:18 Quateras wrote:
Really disappointed in Sansa, i expected her to *play the game* and try to build a rift between Ramsay and his father, by telling him stuff like "mothers can die, or baby's can die in their sleep"and then have them fight or at least scheming with Ramsay so he will be the warden of the north for sure and thus make him follow her commands/using him.
Instead she is season 2 and 3 and 4 Sansa :-( thats a really good point, she could totattly play the game of "kill dads other kid" and the mum, make the other girl ramsey sleeps with also end on bad terms with him, roose ofcourse doesnt approve of the death of his other kid and tries to control ramsey, ramsey in a fit of rage kills him, in his shock (Theon gets behind him and slices off his finger, turning around in pain and shock he screams as sansa and theon beat him to death with firepokers The end + Show Spoiler +
The idea would be that Cersei has screwed herself by creating a beast to swallow up her enemies, which has then turned on her, with no allies left to help. The high sparrow's point was just that it might create a huge amount of popular resentment if the Tyrells essentially starve the population, which might ultimately lead to big trouble for the Tyrells (as Varys points out in s2, power resides where people think it resides - that means popular revolution is entirely possible).
On the other hand, "magergy" is the best spelling of that name I've seen so far.
I'm curious as to what will be happening in the last three episodes, which should be really climactic. All four previous seasons have held some very awful climactic moment, usually in ep.8 or 9. Season 1, there was Ned's execution; season 2 had Stannis' loss at the Blackwater, which maybe wasn't an unequivocally bad thing (I'm sure a lot of people like Tyrion enough to make that worth cheering for the bad guys overall, almost including me, though remember that Tyrion also lost the Blackwater); season 3 had RW; season 4 had the Viper and the Mountain, which for me was more disturbing to watch than RW. On the other hand, Watchers on the Wall was also a climax similar to the Blackwater, but didn't go as miserably - yay! Maybe it's a sign that not all full-episode battles have to end like the blackwater?!
The current big stuff being built up to in Season 5 would be something like the following: probably a climax to the harpy dudes conflict, and Stannis' invasion of Winterfell, which has to happen in episode 9 or something. What happens to Cersei's a bit unclear, but there might be courtroom drama again I guess. Dorne - who cares about Dorne? That whole part of the show has felt like filler parts of an Anime or something.
Also, I was surprised to see Ramsay react with impunity at Sansa's semi-challenging comments, which were almost similar to the way she taunted Joffrey before the Blackwater ("Of course you'll be in the vanguard", etc), and I think there's a possibility that she could play him against his father - it's the only area where his character is ruled by irrationality and fear, as opposed to his usual cunning. His fear of being deposed by a legitimate heir might make him blind to the fact that it's just something Sansa is doing to ruin him, but there hasn't been that much indication yet that she has the coolness or capability of doing this (though ep. 7 was the strongest yet, this season).
Dude....Ygritte died at the wall, that was horribly traumatic.
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heh, ep 9 wil be Bran trolling the show with a full ep devoted to him and his trials of learning to fly!
Just when you thought it was safe to get interested in the show again...
I do miss Hodor though 
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On May 26 2015 20:31 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 20:27 shin_toss wrote:
Also I don't get why the guy released Tyrion? and Why Jorah was left in the cage when the fighting started. Why Tyrion was freed I have no idea but Jorah was left because only about half the slaves thought. I would assume after they finished there would be a second round where the remaining slaves thought. They were finding fighters for a big arena fight so it makes sense to select more then 1 winner.
the fighters thought and the thinkers fought
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didnt they in some interview or something that they wanted to leave out Bran on purpose or something O_o but anyway as much as it dragged on in the previous seasons i do want to see whats going on with him now because like wtf he met a flying dude a girl who can shoot fireballs wtf thats interesting i wanna know about that shit right there.
Also for the people are many thing, even if the tyrells starved kings landing im sure not all the people would start revolting especially the ones outside of kingslanding who have no clue this is even going on (the sparrows being a mini-police) plus i imagine high garden is self sustainable by itself with all the food and gold they have, surely the peasants in high garden wouldnt care if the tyrells killed a bunch of kings landing people indirectly, and it wouldnt even be very obvious to most people it would simplely be you have our heirs in a dungeon your evil and mean, no more alliance. Thats what probably would broadcasted to the public and if anythign the peasants and knights and stableboy boys would be dying to take up arms to free their prince and princess, poor people starve all the time no one cares they could also just leave kings landing if they wanted too they could just spinit in a way where there the lanisters are evil and thus they pulled out and now even offer food and gold to those would join their cause to free their heirs (it could be to free a chicken and they would be like who do i stab)
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this episode was powerful, more so towards the end of the episode and not necessarily the grotesque depiction of torture.
cersei being the mother that she is, realized she was the root of pain that she wished wasn't inflicted upon her son. a mother's protection (which knows no bounds) she went to any length in protecting her son's happiness and seeing the downfall of her enemies not realizing the forces she recruited to get the job done, will also play a hand at her own demise.
protection in this sense is depicted in that, it is not necessarily a virtuous deed one, that is common in modern day society. to protect her son's selfish happiness, results in the obliteration of everything good. so it pokes at the question to what lengths do we rationalize protection as a just endeavor?
it also shows what happens when you give power to a religious fanatic who has the power to govern judgement. on the contrary, what hasn't been said is also what is the current state of affairs of those who are morale-less. there is more chaos with those who are simply self-centered than there is with the religious. but ultimately, it shows that regardless of belief, it portrays that both sides still succumb to their own human nature, to pass judgement on those who don't conform.
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On May 27 2015 09:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 08:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Meh the Cersei plotline was so predictable. I mean 'she's not as smart as she thinks she is' from Tywin is true but I hate that they made her retarded. She didn't survive so long on her own because she's an idiot. Putting power to people who make sinners pay while she's the biggest sinner in king's landing. What can go wrong... I hate the faith plotline. The kings/queens ruled with power of force, where the fuck are the guards/soldiers/bannermen/sellswords to make their will happen...
Tommen crying I can't do anything while Geoffrey hanged who ever the fuck he liked. He was a crazy murderous brat but people obeyed his command as the king. Robert never cared about no rules... Tyrells supposed to be the 2nd mightiest house let their two most important heirs rot in a dungeon with no response other than old mother begging people... where's the army they beat Stannis with? It's a break in consistency that makes the houses and the throne itself look powerless, while the powerstruggle between these houses for the throne is the whole baseline of the series. Royalty have power because they have the force to back it up. Fuck this dumb writing. Sorry I ranted about this last week as well but it's ruining the series for me.
Also, if Danaeris has demanded in her contract that they don't show her boobs, please don't put her in scenes where she has to continuously cover them in an extremely obvious way, as that's annoyingly fourth wall breaking in this series.
I did enjoy Jorah showing his fighting skills so all is not lost. Also they didn't kill Bronn which makes me very happy. Theon being a cowardly mutt was also a good choice, he's not a hero type. The Tyrell army might be the one they killed Stannis with, but it's one thing to fight off an invading army, and another to crush a popular revolt. Remember Varys's example to Tyrion about a sellsword standing between a rich man, a king and a priest where each one wants the other two dead? Power resides wherever people think it does. And in King's Landing, the power looks like it's in the hands of the priests, and that's where all the people are slowly migrating to. If the Tyrells go in to purge King's Landing, you could see a large fraction of the army defect and go after their old commanders instead. Royalty only have power because people think they do. Joffrey only had power because Tywin was around to keep it there. If he was still around right now to kickstart the holocaust, you'd see just how fast the Lannisters could get booted out of the Red Keep.
Well I agree that a peoples revolt can topple kings, but there's no hints of a peoples revolt in the series... It's Cersei giving power to religious fanatics. The populous in king's landing doesn't strike me as very pious and we've not seen any mention of rioting. It's like Obama giving the jehova's witnesses guns and the power to invoke their laws of sin upon other americans. Not a lot of people would be happy with that. A band of crazies should be crushed by any house of power. Exactly because power resides where people think it does is why Tyrells should show a hefty reaction to this insult and degradation. If they do nothing their name is worth nothing.
And it really annoys me that there's an oath-sworn kingsguard of elite knights that is just chilling while their queen is thrown into a cell in rags by the word of a single man of the faith.
On May 27 2015 10:13 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 08:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Meh the Cersei plotline was so predictable. I mean 'she's not as smart as she thinks she is' from Tywin is true but I hate that they made her retarded. She didn't survive so long on her own because she's an idiot. Putting power to people who make sinners pay while she's the biggest sinner in king's landing. What can go wrong... I hate the faith plotline. The kings/queens ruled with power of force, where the fuck are the guards/soldiers/bannermen/sellswords to make their will happen...
Tommen crying I can't do anything while Geoffrey hanged who ever the fuck he liked. He was a crazy murderous brat but people obeyed his command as the king. Robert never cared about no rules... Tyrells supposed to be the 2nd mightiest house let their two most important heirs rot in a dungeon with no response other than old mother begging people... where's the army they beat Stannis with? It's a break in consistency that makes the houses and the throne itself look powerless, while the powerstruggle between these houses for the throne is the whole baseline of the series. Royalty have power because they have the force to back it up. Fuck this dumb writing. Sorry I ranted about this last week as well but it's ruining the series for me.
2) These are very unstable times with the aftermath of a war, the loss of good leadership, financial crisis and the previous King already pissing everyone off. Do they really want to rock the boat by attacking the faith that placates the masses? Especially considering the High Sparrow is apparently very popular among the low-borns. Then there's the issue of those who still believe Tommen is a product of incest, casting further doubt on the legitimacy of the crown in the first place. Sounds like a good way to provoke a riot.
But how much legitimacy is left if you allow the queen to get thrown into a dungeon in rags, before a trial has even taken place. These sparrows have already grabbed power from you, why would you care about a risk of revolt if the alternative is surrendering.
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Meh the Cersei plotline was so predictable. I mean 'she's not as smart as she thinks she is' from Tywin is true but I hate that they made her retarded. She didn't survive so long on her own because she's an idiot. Putting power to people who make sinners pay while she's the biggest sinner in king's landing. What can go wrong... I hate the faith plotline. The kings/queens ruled with power of force, where the fuck are the guards/soldiers/bannermen/sellswords to make their will happen...
First, she was never on her own. She always had the power of House Lannister behind her. She never had to make big decisions before, and when she did, she failed. Second, you may underestimate the effect all the loses have on people. Her son poisoned, her brother killed her father, other son is firmly under the influence of younger and more beautiful queen, she is about to lose everything. These things, you know, can sometimes cloud peoples thoughts. Especially if you are highborn and never actually faced any real opposition from anyone but other highborns. Especially if you've never seen anyone who actually means what he says when he babbles about justice, honor, faith. If you are used to use lowborns as tools. Especially from someone who was never as clever as she thought she was to begin with. I think Cerseis decisions were very in line with her character, background and other stuff that happenned on game of thrones. Very believable decisions born out of desperation, given the character.
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Tommen can just actually order king's guard and city watch to free her m other and the Tyrells -_-
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And it really annoys me that there's an oath-sworn kingsguard of elite knights that is just chilling while their queen is thrown into a cell in rags by the word of a single man of the faith.
I don't remember them being in that scene. Cersei was alone with High Sparrow. In some other scenes King personally witholded kings guard. Tomen is indecisive and a pushover.
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On May 26 2015 18:11 Velr wrote:Because she is a teenage Girl in love that was sent away by her parents and now wants to stay? Thats probably the most relaistic character in the entire Show  .
Yes if the show was happening on earth in the 20th century. But in a feudal middle aged society like Westeros, that behavior doesn't make sense.
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hmm..would you at least think that the kings guards would be standing outside of the sept waiting her to come out and then take her home, i really doubt she would have gone from the palace to the sept without any guards, but maybe thats whats gonna happen in the next ep, guards are the one to report that cersi is in the dungeon.
I think tommen will finally man up because of the scene where cersi was talking about the people you love and how she would protect his happiness at all costs and he would probably want to do the same. Especially now that he sees it as his mother trying to free margery and then getting thrown in to the dungeon.
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On May 27 2015 17:50 DrStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 18:11 Velr wrote:Because she is a teenage Girl in love that was sent away by her parents and now wants to stay? Thats probably the most relaistic character in the entire Show . Yes if the show was happening on earth in the 20th century. But in a feudal middle aged society like Westeros, that behavior doesn't make sense.
Uhm... No?
Well, she would not have much say in what would happen to her. But her "captors" won't let her go anyway and that she isn't willing to go makes perfect sense for her anyway.
She doesn't have much say in it anyway but as long as Dorn isn't agreeing to let her go that doesn't matter anyway.
Women/Girls in the middle ages actually allready had developed feelings you know?
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Rosabell Laurenti Sellers aka Tyene Sand was born in 1996, she's so freaking hot 
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On May 27 2015 17:02 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 09:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On May 27 2015 08:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Meh the Cersei plotline was so predictable. I mean 'she's not as smart as she thinks she is' from Tywin is true but I hate that they made her retarded. She didn't survive so long on her own because she's an idiot. Putting power to people who make sinners pay while she's the biggest sinner in king's landing. What can go wrong... I hate the faith plotline. The kings/queens ruled with power of force, where the fuck are the guards/soldiers/bannermen/sellswords to make their will happen...
Tommen crying I can't do anything while Geoffrey hanged who ever the fuck he liked. He was a crazy murderous brat but people obeyed his command as the king. Robert never cared about no rules... Tyrells supposed to be the 2nd mightiest house let their two most important heirs rot in a dungeon with no response other than old mother begging people... where's the army they beat Stannis with? It's a break in consistency that makes the houses and the throne itself look powerless, while the powerstruggle between these houses for the throne is the whole baseline of the series. Royalty have power because they have the force to back it up. Fuck this dumb writing. Sorry I ranted about this last week as well but it's ruining the series for me.
Also, if Danaeris has demanded in her contract that they don't show her boobs, please don't put her in scenes where she has to continuously cover them in an extremely obvious way, as that's annoyingly fourth wall breaking in this series.
I did enjoy Jorah showing his fighting skills so all is not lost. Also they didn't kill Bronn which makes me very happy. Theon being a cowardly mutt was also a good choice, he's not a hero type. The Tyrell army might be the one they killed Stannis with, but it's one thing to fight off an invading army, and another to crush a popular revolt. Remember Varys's example to Tyrion about a sellsword standing between a rich man, a king and a priest where each one wants the other two dead? Power resides wherever people think it does. And in King's Landing, the power looks like it's in the hands of the priests, and that's where all the people are slowly migrating to. If the Tyrells go in to purge King's Landing, you could see a large fraction of the army defect and go after their old commanders instead. Royalty only have power because people think they do. Joffrey only had power because Tywin was around to keep it there. If he was still around right now to kickstart the holocaust, you'd see just how fast the Lannisters could get booted out of the Red Keep. Well I agree that a peoples revolt can topple kings, but there's no hints of a peoples revolt in the series... It's Cersei giving power to religious fanatics. The populous in king's landing doesn't strike me as very pious and we've not seen any mention of rioting. It's like Obama giving the jehova's witnesses guns and the power to invoke their laws of sin upon other americans. Not a lot of people would be happy with that. A band of crazies should be crushed by any house of power. Exactly because power resides where people think it does is why Tyrells should show a hefty reaction to this insult and degradation. If they do nothing their name is worth nothing. And it really annoys me that there's an oath-sworn kingsguard of elite knights that is just chilling while their queen is thrown into a cell in rags by the word of a single man of the faith. Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 10:13 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On May 27 2015 08:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Meh the Cersei plotline was so predictable. I mean 'she's not as smart as she thinks she is' from Tywin is true but I hate that they made her retarded. She didn't survive so long on her own because she's an idiot. Putting power to people who make sinners pay while she's the biggest sinner in king's landing. What can go wrong... I hate the faith plotline. The kings/queens ruled with power of force, where the fuck are the guards/soldiers/bannermen/sellswords to make their will happen...
Tommen crying I can't do anything while Geoffrey hanged who ever the fuck he liked. He was a crazy murderous brat but people obeyed his command as the king. Robert never cared about no rules... Tyrells supposed to be the 2nd mightiest house let their two most important heirs rot in a dungeon with no response other than old mother begging people... where's the army they beat Stannis with? It's a break in consistency that makes the houses and the throne itself look powerless, while the powerstruggle between these houses for the throne is the whole baseline of the series. Royalty have power because they have the force to back it up. Fuck this dumb writing. Sorry I ranted about this last week as well but it's ruining the series for me.
2) These are very unstable times with the aftermath of a war, the loss of good leadership, financial crisis and the previous King already pissing everyone off. Do they really want to rock the boat by attacking the faith that placates the masses? Especially considering the High Sparrow is apparently very popular among the low-borns. Then there's the issue of those who still believe Tommen is a product of incest, casting further doubt on the legitimacy of the crown in the first place. Sounds like a good way to provoke a riot. But how much legitimacy is left if you allow the queen to get thrown into a dungeon in rags, before a trial has even taken place. These sparrows have already grabbed power from you, why would you care about a risk of revolt if the alternative is surrendering.
I wouldn't say it's completely like the Obama scenario. If religion in King's Landing is anything like medieval religion, people are going to take it more seriously than secular Americans would take a Jehovah's Witness police. Maybe closer to what we saw in Egypt during the Arab Spring. And just like the army later took control there, we could see something similar in the show.
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On May 28 2015 02:47 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 17:02 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On May 27 2015 09:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On May 27 2015 08:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Meh the Cersei plotline was so predictable. I mean 'she's not as smart as she thinks she is' from Tywin is true but I hate that they made her retarded. She didn't survive so long on her own because she's an idiot. Putting power to people who make sinners pay while she's the biggest sinner in king's landing. What can go wrong... I hate the faith plotline. The kings/queens ruled with power of force, where the fuck are the guards/soldiers/bannermen/sellswords to make their will happen...
Tommen crying I can't do anything while Geoffrey hanged who ever the fuck he liked. He was a crazy murderous brat but people obeyed his command as the king. Robert never cared about no rules... Tyrells supposed to be the 2nd mightiest house let their two most important heirs rot in a dungeon with no response other than old mother begging people... where's the army they beat Stannis with? It's a break in consistency that makes the houses and the throne itself look powerless, while the powerstruggle between these houses for the throne is the whole baseline of the series. Royalty have power because they have the force to back it up. Fuck this dumb writing. Sorry I ranted about this last week as well but it's ruining the series for me.
Also, if Danaeris has demanded in her contract that they don't show her boobs, please don't put her in scenes where she has to continuously cover them in an extremely obvious way, as that's annoyingly fourth wall breaking in this series.
I did enjoy Jorah showing his fighting skills so all is not lost. Also they didn't kill Bronn which makes me very happy. Theon being a cowardly mutt was also a good choice, he's not a hero type. The Tyrell army might be the one they killed Stannis with, but it's one thing to fight off an invading army, and another to crush a popular revolt. Remember Varys's example to Tyrion about a sellsword standing between a rich man, a king and a priest where each one wants the other two dead? Power resides wherever people think it does. And in King's Landing, the power looks like it's in the hands of the priests, and that's where all the people are slowly migrating to. If the Tyrells go in to purge King's Landing, you could see a large fraction of the army defect and go after their old commanders instead. Royalty only have power because people think they do. Joffrey only had power because Tywin was around to keep it there. If he was still around right now to kickstart the holocaust, you'd see just how fast the Lannisters could get booted out of the Red Keep. Well I agree that a peoples revolt can topple kings, but there's no hints of a peoples revolt in the series... It's Cersei giving power to religious fanatics. The populous in king's landing doesn't strike me as very pious and we've not seen any mention of rioting. It's like Obama giving the jehova's witnesses guns and the power to invoke their laws of sin upon other americans. Not a lot of people would be happy with that. A band of crazies should be crushed by any house of power. Exactly because power resides where people think it does is why Tyrells should show a hefty reaction to this insult and degradation. If they do nothing their name is worth nothing. And it really annoys me that there's an oath-sworn kingsguard of elite knights that is just chilling while their queen is thrown into a cell in rags by the word of a single man of the faith. On May 27 2015 10:13 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On May 27 2015 08:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Meh the Cersei plotline was so predictable. I mean 'she's not as smart as she thinks she is' from Tywin is true but I hate that they made her retarded. She didn't survive so long on her own because she's an idiot. Putting power to people who make sinners pay while she's the biggest sinner in king's landing. What can go wrong... I hate the faith plotline. The kings/queens ruled with power of force, where the fuck are the guards/soldiers/bannermen/sellswords to make their will happen...
Tommen crying I can't do anything while Geoffrey hanged who ever the fuck he liked. He was a crazy murderous brat but people obeyed his command as the king. Robert never cared about no rules... Tyrells supposed to be the 2nd mightiest house let their two most important heirs rot in a dungeon with no response other than old mother begging people... where's the army they beat Stannis with? It's a break in consistency that makes the houses and the throne itself look powerless, while the powerstruggle between these houses for the throne is the whole baseline of the series. Royalty have power because they have the force to back it up. Fuck this dumb writing. Sorry I ranted about this last week as well but it's ruining the series for me.
2) These are very unstable times with the aftermath of a war, the loss of good leadership, financial crisis and the previous King already pissing everyone off. Do they really want to rock the boat by attacking the faith that placates the masses? Especially considering the High Sparrow is apparently very popular among the low-borns. Then there's the issue of those who still believe Tommen is a product of incest, casting further doubt on the legitimacy of the crown in the first place. Sounds like a good way to provoke a riot. But how much legitimacy is left if you allow the queen to get thrown into a dungeon in rags, before a trial has even taken place. These sparrows have already grabbed power from you, why would you care about a risk of revolt if the alternative is surrendering. I wouldn't say it's completely like the Obama scenario. If religion in King's Landing is anything like medieval religion, people are going to take it more seriously than secular Americans would take a Jehovah's Witness police. Maybe closer to what we saw in Egypt during the Arab Spring. And just like the army later took control there, we could see something similar in the show.
Let's look at Henry VIII then. A king who got into an argument with the Pope and simply declared that there was a new state religion which he was the Pope of. Obviously there were a number of loyalists who held out, and indeed there was conflict, conspiracy and prejudice for hundreds of years, but the people who mattered sided with the King and the Catholic church never stood a chance.
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It is entirely possible for a King to go against religion but he needs support to do it and I doubt Tommen would get the support from other houses other then the Tyrells to go against the gods. And as shown in the scene on the steps of the Sept he wont have the support of the common people.
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