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On May 13 2014 21:02 Scorch wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2014 20:26 Vesimias wrote:On May 13 2014 19:40 RedFury wrote:On May 13 2014 17:38 Scorch wrote:
Sadly, too many have "predicted" or "speculated" that it will be Oberyn vs The Mountain. It makes too much sense not to be true. The short scene from the season trailer, the Mountain's whereabouts being mentioned in the small council meeting and the name of the episode all line up perfectly. I'm sure it's supposed to be a huge surprise, in particular a judge being appointed as a champion, which has probably never happened before, and Oberyn fighting for a Lannister.
Well, the surprise is spoiled for me. I would appreciate it if those who "predicted" Oberyn vs The Mountain and Olenna and Sansa's necklace would kindly shut the fuck up. I completely agree with this. I didn't enjoy the last episode that much simply because the biggest twist had been spoiled already. The most annoying thing is not that people guess right about feature events, but rather that they're able to predict the outcome of certain things right after the episode has been aired, putting together elements that the most won't notice till the episode that actually explains them. That's totally suspicious and I'd like to see those people waiting a bit before making their curiously detailed speculations. I have to give some people the benefit of the doubt though. I myself haven't read the books but came to same conclusions as others on previous pages just by watching the trailers and previews. I think many others are like myself and just figure out things from previous teasers. Ofc I found it very odd too that a trial by combat would be hinted the day before the episode airs. But I think book reader spoiling is not as strong as people think it is. Or then I'm wrong and people are jerks. That's possible as well. It's one thing to take the hints and "speculation" from book readers and agree or come to the correct conclusion, and quite another to make all the observations and conclusions on your own. I mean, yes, Mountain vs Oberyn makes complete sense now, but would you have had the idea on your own at the end of episode 2? And I'm pretty sure noone who doesn't know what they're looking for would notice Olenna briefly touching Sansa's necklace somewhere in the background AND find it suspicious AND conclude that the poison must be contained within and Olenna is the murderer.
The necklace observation was clearly a book spoiler.
The Mountain vs. Oberyn prediction was probably only a preview spoiler (maybe combined with book knowledge).
If there wouldn't have been a preview discussion, I would still be pretty sure that Jaime would be Tyrion's choice.
On Tywin's side there are really only 2 good fighters available:
The Mountain and Loras Tyrell.
Since they don't wanna waste Loras, I would have guessed The Mountain as well.
What is weird though, we haven't really seen The Mountain in a long time.
And he is probably not even in King's Landing right now.
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On May 13 2014 21:02 Scorch wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2014 20:26 Vesimias wrote:On May 13 2014 19:40 RedFury wrote:On May 13 2014 17:38 Scorch wrote:
Sadly, too many have "predicted" or "speculated" that it will be Oberyn vs The Mountain. It makes too much sense not to be true. The short scene from the season trailer, the Mountain's whereabouts being mentioned in the small council meeting and the name of the episode all line up perfectly. I'm sure it's supposed to be a huge surprise, in particular a judge being appointed as a champion, which has probably never happened before, and Oberyn fighting for a Lannister.
Well, the surprise is spoiled for me. I would appreciate it if those who "predicted" Oberyn vs The Mountain and Olenna and Sansa's necklace would kindly shut the fuck up. I completely agree with this. I didn't enjoy the last episode that much simply because the biggest twist had been spoiled already. The most annoying thing is not that people guess right about feature events, but rather that they're able to predict the outcome of certain things right after the episode has been aired, putting together elements that the most won't notice till the episode that actually explains them. That's totally suspicious and I'd like to see those people waiting a bit before making their curiously detailed speculations. I have to give some people the benefit of the doubt though. I myself haven't read the books but came to same conclusions as others on previous pages just by watching the trailers and previews. I think many others are like myself and just figure out things from previous teasers. Ofc I found it very odd too that a trial by combat would be hinted the day before the episode airs. But I think book reader spoiling is not as strong as people think it is. Or then I'm wrong and people are jerks. That's possible as well. It's one thing to take the hints and "speculation" from book readers and agree or come to the correct conclusion, and quite another to make all the observations and conclusions on your own. I mean, yes, Mountain vs Oberyn makes complete sense now, but would you have had the idea on your own at the end of episode 2? And I'm pretty sure noone who doesn't know what they're looking for would notice Olenna briefly touching Sansa's necklace somewhere in the background AND find it suspicious AND conclude that the poison must be contained within and Olenna is the murderer.
Oh I agree with the Olenna thing completely. The speculation was way too accurate for the time. That's why I think calling the people who are calling Oberyn vs. The Mountain now being the trial's duel, book readers who are spoiling is a bit of a strech since it's quite obvious. (Ofc not confirmed but it makes the most sense.) These two scenarios are different in that this one is far more plausible and makes sense even if you don't know anything from the books.
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Poll: Who is your favorite "good guy"?Davos (21) 24% Podrick (13) 15% Jaqen H'ghar (12) 14% Hodor (11) 13% Maester Aemon (7) 8% Jon Snow (6) 7% Ser Barristan (5) 6% Bran (2) 2% Ser Jorah (2) 2% Sam (2) 2% Grey Worm (2) 2% Tommen (2) 2% Loras Tyrell (1) 1% Gendry (0) 0% 86 total votes Your vote: Who is your favorite "good guy"? (Vote): Davos
(Vote): Ser Barristan
(Vote): Jon Snow
(Vote): Podrick
(Vote): Bran
(Vote): Ser Jorah
(Vote): Hodor
(Vote): Sam
(Vote): Gendry
(Vote): Grey Worm
(Vote): Loras Tyrell
(Vote): Tommen
(Vote): Maester Aemon
(Vote): Jaqen H'ghar
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On May 13 2014 21:30 urboss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2014 21:02 Scorch wrote:On May 13 2014 20:26 Vesimias wrote:On May 13 2014 19:40 RedFury wrote:On May 13 2014 17:38 Scorch wrote:
Sadly, too many have "predicted" or "speculated" that it will be Oberyn vs The Mountain. It makes too much sense not to be true. The short scene from the season trailer, the Mountain's whereabouts being mentioned in the small council meeting and the name of the episode all line up perfectly. I'm sure it's supposed to be a huge surprise, in particular a judge being appointed as a champion, which has probably never happened before, and Oberyn fighting for a Lannister.
Well, the surprise is spoiled for me. I would appreciate it if those who "predicted" Oberyn vs The Mountain and Olenna and Sansa's necklace would kindly shut the fuck up. I completely agree with this. I didn't enjoy the last episode that much simply because the biggest twist had been spoiled already. The most annoying thing is not that people guess right about feature events, but rather that they're able to predict the outcome of certain things right after the episode has been aired, putting together elements that the most won't notice till the episode that actually explains them. That's totally suspicious and I'd like to see those people waiting a bit before making their curiously detailed speculations. I have to give some people the benefit of the doubt though. I myself haven't read the books but came to same conclusions as others on previous pages just by watching the trailers and previews. I think many others are like myself and just figure out things from previous teasers. Ofc I found it very odd too that a trial by combat would be hinted the day before the episode airs. But I think book reader spoiling is not as strong as people think it is. Or then I'm wrong and people are jerks. That's possible as well. It's one thing to take the hints and "speculation" from book readers and agree or come to the correct conclusion, and quite another to make all the observations and conclusions on your own. I mean, yes, Mountain vs Oberyn makes complete sense now, but would you have had the idea on your own at the end of episode 2? And I'm pretty sure noone who doesn't know what they're looking for would notice Olenna briefly touching Sansa's necklace somewhere in the background AND find it suspicious AND conclude that the poison must be contained within and Olenna is the murderer. The necklace observation was clearly a book spoiler.The Mountain vs. Oberyn prediction was probably only a preview spoiler (maybe combined with book knowledge). If there wouldn't have been a preview discussion, I would still be pretty sure that Jaime would be Tyrion's choice. On Tywin's side there are really only 2 good fighters available: The Mountain and Loras Tyrell. Since they don't wanna waste Loras, I would have guessed The Mountain as well. What is weird though, we haven't really seen The Mountain in a long time. And he is probably not even in King's Landing right now.
I think the necklace thing came from certain gifs on imgur that resolved this, linked on reddit or whatever. As an average book reader you would not have seen that either. I think it was even linked here first by a non-reader. Spoilers are everywhere on the internet.
Other than that I have to say some people here try really hard to get spoilered by analyzing all those previews in detail.
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On May 13 2014 21:43 urboss wrote:Poll: Who is your favorite "good guy"?Davos (21) 24% Podrick (13) 15% Jaqen H'ghar (12) 14% Hodor (11) 13% Maester Aemon (7) 8% Jon Snow (6) 7% Ser Barristan (5) 6% Bran (2) 2% Ser Jorah (2) 2% Sam (2) 2% Grey Worm (2) 2% Tommen (2) 2% Loras Tyrell (1) 1% Gendry (0) 0% 86 total votes Your vote: Who is your favorite "good guy"? (Vote): Davos
(Vote): Ser Barristan
(Vote): Jon Snow
(Vote): Podrick
(Vote): Bran
(Vote): Ser Jorah
(Vote): Hodor
(Vote): Sam
(Vote): Gendry
(Vote): Grey Worm
(Vote): Loras Tyrell
(Vote): Tommen
(Vote): Maester Aemon
(Vote): Jaqen H'ghar
Why isn't Hodor winning this poll?!
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Zurich15361 Posts
Hey guys,
Discussing next weeks previews here is fine, but please put the discussion into spoiler tags from now on, and mark them clearly (Something like "Next week's preview:").
Valar Morghulis
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On May 13 2014 22:16 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2014 21:30 urboss wrote:On May 13 2014 21:02 Scorch wrote:On May 13 2014 20:26 Vesimias wrote:On May 13 2014 19:40 RedFury wrote:On May 13 2014 17:38 Scorch wrote:
Sadly, too many have "predicted" or "speculated" that it will be Oberyn vs The Mountain. It makes too much sense not to be true. The short scene from the season trailer, the Mountain's whereabouts being mentioned in the small council meeting and the name of the episode all line up perfectly. I'm sure it's supposed to be a huge surprise, in particular a judge being appointed as a champion, which has probably never happened before, and Oberyn fighting for a Lannister.
Well, the surprise is spoiled for me. I would appreciate it if those who "predicted" Oberyn vs The Mountain and Olenna and Sansa's necklace would kindly shut the fuck up. I completely agree with this. I didn't enjoy the last episode that much simply because the biggest twist had been spoiled already. The most annoying thing is not that people guess right about feature events, but rather that they're able to predict the outcome of certain things right after the episode has been aired, putting together elements that the most won't notice till the episode that actually explains them. That's totally suspicious and I'd like to see those people waiting a bit before making their curiously detailed speculations. I have to give some people the benefit of the doubt though. I myself haven't read the books but came to same conclusions as others on previous pages just by watching the trailers and previews. I think many others are like myself and just figure out things from previous teasers. Ofc I found it very odd too that a trial by combat would be hinted the day before the episode airs. But I think book reader spoiling is not as strong as people think it is. Or then I'm wrong and people are jerks. That's possible as well. It's one thing to take the hints and "speculation" from book readers and agree or come to the correct conclusion, and quite another to make all the observations and conclusions on your own. I mean, yes, Mountain vs Oberyn makes complete sense now, but would you have had the idea on your own at the end of episode 2? And I'm pretty sure noone who doesn't know what they're looking for would notice Olenna briefly touching Sansa's necklace somewhere in the background AND find it suspicious AND conclude that the poison must be contained within and Olenna is the murderer. The necklace observation was clearly a book spoiler.The Mountain vs. Oberyn prediction was probably only a preview spoiler (maybe combined with book knowledge). If there wouldn't have been a preview discussion, I would still be pretty sure that Jaime would be Tyrion's choice. On Tywin's side there are really only 2 good fighters available: The Mountain and Loras Tyrell. Since they don't wanna waste Loras, I would have guessed The Mountain as well. What is weird though, we haven't really seen The Mountain in a long time. And he is probably not even in King's Landing right now. I think the necklace thing came from certain gifs on imgur that resolved this, linked on reddit or whatever. As an average book reader you would not have seen that either. I think it was even linked here first by a non-reader. Spoilers are everywhere on the internet. Other than that I have to say some people here try really hard to get spoilered by analyzing all those previews in detail.
That's not true, the necklace detail was spoilered long before those images were posted.
kidleaderr first pointed out Olenna grabbing the necklace a couple of hours after airing:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/entertainment/82188-tv-hbo-game-of-thrones?page=1055
If you check out kidleaderr's profile, you can see that he's posting on the book thread.
Even though the user was banned immediately, people had quoted it already and so the info stayed unfortunately.
Right after that, Sub40APM guessed/spoilered some accurate details:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/entertainment/82188-tv-hbo-game-of-thrones?page=1056
The pictures were posted a couple pages after that, but still on the same day by AsnSensation.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/entertainment/82188-tv-hbo-game-of-thrones?page=1063
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Regarding the nacklace discussion, did anyone realize the "clink" sound when Olenna touched Sansas hair? Just goes to show how much more people are dependant on their eyes than on other senses (including myself, I didnt pay attention until watching the scene the 4th time or so).
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The unsullied general may rape the mountain ez. Oh wait he's from the easteros.
lol i dont think so.
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I must be one of the few in here that actually don't really get spoiler'd. Like, I most likely read a book spoiler comment but when I'm watching the show I get so into it that I don't even think about what has been discussed here.
I also read a spoiler somewhere on the internet after season one that Joffrey would get poisoned at a wedding but I totally forgot that until he started choking to death. Lucky me I suppose. xD
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United States43587 Posts
On May 13 2014 05:19 fartosis77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2014 05:06 Zexion wrote:
Can someone explain to me why a duel between Oberyn and the Mountain, as a result of Tyrion's demand for a trial by combat, is so obvious (according to some in this thread)? 1) Oberyn enters the city to seek out vengeance for the murder of Elia and her daughters. "She was raped and murdered by the mountain" 2) Tywin asks Oberyn to take place as a judge and says he "could arrange for this meeting" knowing all too well that Oberyn wants the Mountain dead. 3) Tyrion is confronted with Shae and loses his mind. His last resort is trial by combat. The only options available to him are: Jaime, his brother who has lost his hand (clearly not a great pick for this type of combat), Bronn, a sellsword whose only wish is to get paid handsomely for as little labour as possible (can't speak with him, no idea of his where abouts since his imprisonment). Either of these two isn't a real option as of yet. This is where THE IDEA of Oberyn comes into play. 1+1=2 in this case. We're just not so far into the season for Tyrion to realise this (I think he didn't give it any thought until Shae walked in and he got publicly humiliated that his rage against his entire family came to this outburst in the last scene of today's episode). So, it's not obvious YET when you purely look at the scene's we've been given thusfar. As people dig through trailers and previews however, it is clearly Oberyn fighting a battle with the Mountain. And that is why, I think, it makes it a little obvious. Sucks that some readers just don't have any dignity and start coming up with these posts where they 'guess' the outcome of cliffhangers. Too bad I'm not wielding the banhammer. 
Jaime is the perfect pick because Tywin will never risk the death of Jaime and Tyrion knows that. A Jaime pick, assuming Jaime accepts, is a rigged contest. Tywin will happily lose one son, especially if it's Tyrion, but never risk both at the same time.
On an unrelated note, I found the Iron Bank scene really dumb because they were dumb. "Sorry Stannis, I don't think you can possibly win the Iron Throne unless someone gives you a lot of money because you've got too few men and you can't support them."
No fucking shit Iron Bank, that's literally the point of this meeting, to get the money to win the Iron Throne. The observation that you won't support me because I can't win alone without money makes no sense because the support I'm suggesting you give is money. We both agree I need money, that's why we're having this meeting, but you have money so if you give me the money you have solved the issue and therefore made me worth supporting.
I mean seriously Iron Bank, are you lost? Do you need someone to find you an adult and take you home?
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On May 13 2014 23:22 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2014 05:19 fartosis77 wrote:On May 13 2014 05:06 Zexion wrote:
Can someone explain to me why a duel between Oberyn and the Mountain, as a result of Tyrion's demand for a trial by combat, is so obvious (according to some in this thread)? 1) Oberyn enters the city to seek out vengeance for the murder of Elia and her daughters. "She was raped and murdered by the mountain" 2) Tywin asks Oberyn to take place as a judge and says he "could arrange for this meeting" knowing all too well that Oberyn wants the Mountain dead. 3) Tyrion is confronted with Shae and loses his mind. His last resort is trial by combat. The only options available to him are: Jaime, his brother who has lost his hand (clearly not a great pick for this type of combat), Bronn, a sellsword whose only wish is to get paid handsomely for as little labour as possible (can't speak with him, no idea of his where abouts since his imprisonment). Either of these two isn't a real option as of yet. This is where THE IDEA of Oberyn comes into play. 1+1=2 in this case. We're just not so far into the season for Tyrion to realise this (I think he didn't give it any thought until Shae walked in and he got publicly humiliated that his rage against his entire family came to this outburst in the last scene of today's episode). So, it's not obvious YET when you purely look at the scene's we've been given thusfar. As people dig through trailers and previews however, it is clearly Oberyn fighting a battle with the Mountain. And that is why, I think, it makes it a little obvious. Sucks that some readers just don't have any dignity and start coming up with these posts where they 'guess' the outcome of cliffhangers. Too bad I'm not wielding the banhammer. Jaime is the perfect pick because Tywin will never risk the death of Jaime and Tyrion knows that. A Jaime pick, assuming Jaime accepts, is a rigged contest.
I guess the problem is that if Tyrion chooses Jaime, Tywin will implore Jaime not to accept.
In such a case Tyrion is fucked because he has to fight himself.
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On May 13 2014 23:22 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2014 05:19 fartosis77 wrote:On May 13 2014 05:06 Zexion wrote:
Can someone explain to me why a duel between Oberyn and the Mountain, as a result of Tyrion's demand for a trial by combat, is so obvious (according to some in this thread)? 1) Oberyn enters the city to seek out vengeance for the murder of Elia and her daughters. "She was raped and murdered by the mountain" 2) Tywin asks Oberyn to take place as a judge and says he "could arrange for this meeting" knowing all too well that Oberyn wants the Mountain dead. 3) Tyrion is confronted with Shae and loses his mind. His last resort is trial by combat. The only options available to him are: Jaime, his brother who has lost his hand (clearly not a great pick for this type of combat), Bronn, a sellsword whose only wish is to get paid handsomely for as little labour as possible (can't speak with him, no idea of his where abouts since his imprisonment). Either of these two isn't a real option as of yet. This is where THE IDEA of Oberyn comes into play. 1+1=2 in this case. We're just not so far into the season for Tyrion to realise this (I think he didn't give it any thought until Shae walked in and he got publicly humiliated that his rage against his entire family came to this outburst in the last scene of today's episode). So, it's not obvious YET when you purely look at the scene's we've been given thusfar. As people dig through trailers and previews however, it is clearly Oberyn fighting a battle with the Mountain. And that is why, I think, it makes it a little obvious. Sucks that some readers just don't have any dignity and start coming up with these posts where they 'guess' the outcome of cliffhangers. Too bad I'm not wielding the banhammer. Jaime is the perfect pick because Tywin will never risk the death of Jaime and Tyrion knows that. A Jaime pick, assuming Jaime accepts, is a rigged contest. Tywin will happily lose one son, especially if it's Tyrion, but never risk both at the same time. (...)
But how would Tywin find a fighter who is bad enough to loose against a man who has lost his swordhand without the whole world knowing that the fight was rigged? Also, Jaime wouldn't accept, because he knows that he has no chance in a fair fight.
€: Also the captain of the kingsguard is probably not allowed to fight for the man who is accused of murdering his king...
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Its not that he isnt allowed, its just he doesn't have to accept. In a different case where the captain wasn't the accused brother he would laugh and say no. However in this case it would be reasonable for jamie to accept given the relationship between them and also as explained above it puts tywin in a difficult spot. Tywin expresses how he wants jamie to become his heir and wont risk losing both jamie and tyrion.
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On May 13 2014 23:22 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2014 05:19 fartosis77 wrote:On May 13 2014 05:06 Zexion wrote:
Can someone explain to me why a duel between Oberyn and the Mountain, as a result of Tyrion's demand for a trial by combat, is so obvious (according to some in this thread)? 1) Oberyn enters the city to seek out vengeance for the murder of Elia and her daughters. "She was raped and murdered by the mountain" 2) Tywin asks Oberyn to take place as a judge and says he "could arrange for this meeting" knowing all too well that Oberyn wants the Mountain dead. 3) Tyrion is confronted with Shae and loses his mind. His last resort is trial by combat. The only options available to him are: Jaime, his brother who has lost his hand (clearly not a great pick for this type of combat), Bronn, a sellsword whose only wish is to get paid handsomely for as little labour as possible (can't speak with him, no idea of his where abouts since his imprisonment). Either of these two isn't a real option as of yet. This is where THE IDEA of Oberyn comes into play. 1+1=2 in this case. We're just not so far into the season for Tyrion to realise this (I think he didn't give it any thought until Shae walked in and he got publicly humiliated that his rage against his entire family came to this outburst in the last scene of today's episode). So, it's not obvious YET when you purely look at the scene's we've been given thusfar. As people dig through trailers and previews however, it is clearly Oberyn fighting a battle with the Mountain. And that is why, I think, it makes it a little obvious. Sucks that some readers just don't have any dignity and start coming up with these posts where they 'guess' the outcome of cliffhangers. Too bad I'm not wielding the banhammer. On an unrelated note, I found the Iron Bank scene really dumb because they were dumb. "Sorry Stannis, I don't think you can possibly win the Iron Throne unless someone gives you a lot of money because you've got too few men and you can't support them." No fucking shit Iron Bank, that's literally the point of this meeting, to get the money to win the Iron Throne. The observation that you won't support me because I can't win alone without money makes no sense because the support I'm suggesting you give is money. We both agree I need money, that's why we're having this meeting, but you have money so if you give me the money you have solved the issue and therefore made me worth supporting. I mean seriously Iron Bank, are you lost? Do you need someone to find you an adult and take you home?
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Thought this was one of the best episodes of GoT period, up there with red wedding, black water and the good early ones with Sean Bean. I do though feel that people are focusing too much on Tyrion, although his scene was very strong and the acting perfect there were loads of other good scenes as well. The scenes with Reek&Ramsey were amazing as well. those guys do really impressive jobs. In addition to that, we had an interesting discussion with Davos, Stannis & the iron bank where they say that if Tywin is gone, everything basically will fall apart in King's landing. I don't think this discussion was a coincidence, it also appears to me that even though Tyrion is on trial, he seems fairly safe. The only people who want him dead are people of little importance with little power, I.E. Cersei, Merryn, Pycell. Whereas Tywin has an impressive list of people wanting him dead: Iron Bank, Stannis, Red Woman, Oberyn even Jaime if he decides to kill his father for wanting Tyrion dead.
Anyway, when we see the trial by combat, we're gonna get at least one twist, it could also be Varus&Shae having struck up an unlikely alliance somehow. I do not believe they would just turn their backs on Tyrion, so they're both just playing along because they know the result of the trial is a foregone conclusion. Another possible twist could be Jaime volunteering to fight for Tyrion, I just feel it is unlikely that Tyrion would actually choose him. The whole Yara vs Ramsey & Reek vs Theon thing is really really perplexing and it will be extremely funny to see how it works out. Will Martin go for the dark Reek betraying his sister ending to this tale or will he go for the more fairy tale like ending with Reek becoming Theon once again. Personally, I don't think it will be either black or white as I just wrote it down, it will be grey and there will be twists, just like the GoT we all love.
I'm also extremely perplexed as to what the hell is going on in Tywin's head. Is he punishing Tyrion to make him strong and to be able to be the brains/hand of the kingdom or is this wishful thinking on my part? Or is he an extremely intelligent man but slightly biggoted and wants Tyrion to go to the wall, so he can survive but not sully the family name and not reproduce? I really really am not sure of this because the way they potray Tywin, he has both sides to his personality, he could basically go either way..........GoT is very well directed, very well written & the acting. The acting by Tywin is beautiful because you never really know where he's at, does he utterly despise his own child or does he see potential in him? I think it's both, so it can go either way.........anyone else care to share thoughts on this?
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The Iron Bank wants its money back, with interest. That's the whole point of a bank. Pointing out that Stannis has poor economic and military standing and no securities is a perfectly valid reason to decline his request for a loan. At the very least, it strengthens the negotiation position to demand higher interest. Also, it makes it perfectly clear who's boss.
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But their point is that stannis needs money to win the war and hence kingdom, which they can give and hence the entire meeting. If he wins the war then he can pay back their iron throne debt with interest since they would have gave stannis the money to take the throne. They contradict what they said
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Well, i'm pretty sure tyrion will ask jaime to fight, and he will refuse/be denied by tywin. And then Oberyn volunteers :p Or maybe the fight mountain/viper is not for the trial, but that'd be surprising.
One other thing tho, why is tywin sitting on the iron throne ? I know that tomment withdraw and everything, but can he still sit on the throne ? It's not like there is no other chair available.It's the goddamn throne, it means something to sit on it !
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Its something to do with the hand of the king acting with the kings power. Remember in season one when Ned Stark was sitting on the throne when Robert was gone hunting or something. He was giving the kings justice and stuff while sitting on the throne.
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