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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
Geoffrey has another brother, the throne will be passed on to him. The Tyrell did not have any incentive to kill Geoffrey. Margaery is already queen and without a son the Tyrells won't have any right to the throne. The only incentive for anyone killing Geoffrey I can see is revenge. That would leave us with Oberyn Martell and Sansa. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qqwO8l9.png) Died looking like a little bitch too >=) | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
On April 14 2014 14:11 kidleaderr wrote: Re-watch the scene when Lady Olenna talks to Sansa. It looks like she grabs something off her necklace. Edit: Just watched it again and there is clearly a pearl of some sort missing at the end of it. nice catch. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On April 14 2014 16:14 FiWiFaKi wrote: Okay wait, just so I'm 100% sure. Was it the cake or the wine that killed him? Since Margaery appears to not be eating any cake and just trying to stuff him with it. Hard to say. He did drink the wine last, but you can't draw a conclusion from that because he drank that same wine moments earlier. And it's hard to believe for poison to act that fast. But poisoning the cake is probably risky because I assume the cake is meant to be eaten by multiple people. I still can't see why she'd want to poison Joffrey though. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Grovbolle
Denmark3813 Posts
gg no re Joffrey. | ||
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alypse
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
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saddaromma
1129 Posts
 Fucking spoilers, they are everywhere. | ||
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
On April 14 2014 14:11 kidleaderr wrote: Re-watch the scene when Lady Olenna talks to Sansa. It looks like she grabs something off her necklace. Edit: Just watched it again and there is clearly a pearl of some sort missing at the end of it. Interesting! So the idea is that Sansa was carrying the poison and grandma comes over to pick it up? However, if you watch the scene before the pie comes, Margaery is putting the glass back on the king's table. Olenna Tyrellis is sitting on a separate table like 3m away from the glass. There's no way she could have put the poison in the glass without anyone noticing. To add to that, why on earth would Sansa provide the poison and why would they exchange it in the most dangerous situation possible? | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13081 Posts
The fucker said a couple of more things that i will pretend that I never read in the first place. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On April 14 2014 15:03 lord_nibbler wrote: "Take him, he poised my son." What's with the bad writing at the very end? Normally GoT is better than this cheap 'misunderstanding' drama stuff. (At lest I can't think of a good reason for Tyrion to actually do it.) it's not really a misunderstanding, as much as Cersei wants to believe Tyrion is responsible for it. Misunderstanding would be if it was clear for the viewers who's done it, and that Tyrion is innocent, and Cersei wouldnt want to harm him regardless of this. I dont think any of the above 3 is absolutely clear. On April 14 2014 17:21 SkelA wrote: Well I was spoilered about this from Twitch chat while watching dota lol. The fucker said a couple of more things that i will pretend that I never read in the first place. lowest form of malice, spamming spoilers on unrelated topic, hoping it will hit home On a personal note, the (purple) wedding was really well done. I was a bit afraid they will dumb it down, and stick the answers into the viewers face, but they didnt, and i approve very much. Although iirc, in this season GRRM took up this episode, so not that surprising if so. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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albis
United States652 Posts
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lord_nibbler
Germany591 Posts
On April 14 2014 17:26 Geo.Rion wrote: it's not really a misunderstanding, as much as Cersei wants to believe Tyrion is responsible for it. Misunderstanding would be if it was clear for the viewers who's done it, and that Tyrion is innocent, and Cersei wouldnt want to harm him regardless of this. I dont think any of the above 3 is absolutely clear. I know it is not a literal misunderstanding. I meant it more broadly as a conflict writing technique. For me, 'blind accusations' is a sign of a sub-par drama: If the person is not presented as a total tool, it is out of character most of the time, especially when all other characters go along with it. It is hard to care for such conflicts, because they feel artificial right away. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On April 14 2014 17:38 lord_nibbler wrote: I know it is not a literal misunderstanding. I meant it more broadly as a conflict writing technique. For me, 'blind accusations' is a sign of a sub-par drama: If the person is not presented as a total tool, it is out of character most of the time, especially when all other characters go along with it. It is hard to care for such a conflict, because they feel artificial right away. well, im not sure what you mean by blind accusation, a pretty good case can be made for Tyrion's guilt, especially from where Cersei stands. Regardless, if we're talking about conflict and story-telling, think of this as a necessary plot-twist, to blow the game of thrones right open. Lannisters+Tyrells united and stable >>> anyone. Now things can get spicy, and pretty much any 1 big player can make a move. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10665 Posts
Itll be fun to see the younger brother take the seat as king now  | ||
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flashimba
225 Posts
During the play, the camera showed Sansa feeling great pain from the memories of Ned's death. When Joffrey kicked the goblet under the table, it would have been the perfect chance for her to slip the poison in. After Joffrey drinks from the cup, Sansa asks Tyrion if they could leave. When stopped by Joffrey, she looks concerned knowing what is about to unfold. Edit: Margaery has her hand above the goblet before Tyrion hands it to Joffrey before he chokes. Nevermind, that was a different cup. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On April 14 2014 17:12 urboss wrote: Interesting! So the idea is that Sansa was carrying the poison and grandma comes over to pick it up? However, if you watch the scene before the pie comes, Margaery is putting the glass back on the king's table. Olenna Tyrellis is sitting on a separate table like 3m away from the glass. There's no way she could have put the poison in the glass without anyone noticing. To add to that, why on earth would Sansa provide the poison and why would they exchange it in the most dangerous situation possible? Sansa was wearing the necklace the former-knight/jester gave her in the last episode when he followed her. The one she promised not to take off or whatever. The jester is also the guy who tells her if she wants to live she should come with him. So she was used as a weapons delivery system. Why would the Tyrells want to kill Joffrey? Because there is a second son who isnt a total psychopath, who is even easier to control for Margery if she lives with him from a young age -- hes what, like 10-12 looking? And since this is a political wedding the Lannisters have to give the Tyrells a new king or else the Tyrells will just withdraw support and now its again a pretty divided realm, especially after Lannister/Kingdom had to spend so much money on a wedding -- both Tywin and Tyrion made a point of how expensive is. Makes me think it wasnt some propaganda tool but a way to make the monarchy/lannisters even weaker compared to the tyrells. | ||
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
On April 14 2014 17:51 flashimba wrote: Sansa is very suspect. During the play, the camera showed Sansa feeling great pain from the memories of Ned's death. When Joffrey kicked the goblet under the table, it would have been the perfect chance for her to slip the poison in. After Joffrey drinks from the cup, Sansa asks Tyrion if they could leave. When stopped by Joffrey, she looks concerned knowing what is about to unfold. I agree, she would also have a good emotional reason to do it at the marriage. It was her who should have gotten married to Geoffrey after all. | ||
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