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fartosis77
Profile Joined February 2013
Belgium461 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-13 18:53:28
May 13 2014 18:53 GMT
#23121
The question is, now that he has been given money to build any army; who will fight for him? Where will he get the troops to win the kingdom? He's never been fond of sellswords yet he has only 4000 men left.
IM NESTEAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Nesserev
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium2760 Posts
May 13 2014 19:03 GMT
#23122
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Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
May 13 2014 19:05 GMT
#23123
On May 14 2014 00:41 Xapti wrote:
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On May 13 2014 16:57 y0su wrote:
did anyone else expect goblins at the iron bank?

Why?

Harry Potter reference.
oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
May 13 2014 19:18 GMT
#23124
On May 14 2014 01:32 Redox wrote:
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On May 14 2014 00:23 oGoZenob wrote:
Well, i'm pretty sure tyrion will ask jaime to fight, and he will refuse/be denied by tywin. And then Oberyn volunteers :p Or maybe the fight mountain/viper is not for the trial, but that'd be surprising.
One other thing tho, why is tywin sitting on the iron throne ? I know that tomment withdraw and everything, but can he still sit on the throne ? It's not like there is no other chair available.It's the goddamn throne, it means something to sit on it !

Ned Stark was also sitting on that throne when Robert was hunting. Sitting on the throne means you represent the king that very moment.

well, when I'll be king, noone will sit on my throne ^^
I like starcraft
NihilisticGod
Profile Joined March 2011
Northern Ireland174 Posts
May 13 2014 19:22 GMT
#23125
On May 14 2014 00:53 Salteador Neo wrote:
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On May 14 2014 00:41 Xapti wrote:
On May 14 2014 00:36 Excludos wrote:
Question: If Littlefinger pulled the necklace off of Sansa when she entered the boat, how did Pycelle have it for the trial? Did Littlefinger give it to him? Wouldn't that mean Pycelle was part of it all along as well?

Littlefinger stupidly(?) threw it on the boat with the body of Ser Dontos (the fool). The boat, body, and necklace were all presumably found.


Condisering how Littlefinger proved to be a genius mastermind, I'm pretty sure he did that on purpose and expecting the body to be found.

He could have just dropped it on the sea if he wanted it gone forever.


It was kinda crazy how casual it was dropped by Lysa Arryn that it was actually they (her and Petyr Baelish) that kicked off the events in season 1 and not the Lannisters. Unless it is I've missed some piece of information given in an earlier episode.

Tyrion's storyline has been the most interesting so far, can't wait to see what happens next episode.
Too weird to live... too rare to die.
Acertos
Profile Joined February 2012
France852 Posts
May 13 2014 19:52 GMT
#23126
Yes gogo Tyrion! You da best!

Great episode and great acting by Peter Dinklage!
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
May 13 2014 20:01 GMT
#23127
On May 13 2014 23:22 KwarK wrote:
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On May 13 2014 05:19 fartosis77 wrote:
On May 13 2014 05:06 Zexion wrote:
Can someone explain to me why a duel between Oberyn and the Mountain, as a result of Tyrion's demand for a trial by combat, is so obvious (according to some in this thread)?

1) Oberyn enters the city to seek out vengeance for the murder of Elia and her daughters.
"She was raped and murdered by the mountain"
2) Tywin asks Oberyn to take place as a judge and says he "could arrange for this meeting" knowing all too well that Oberyn wants the Mountain dead.
3) Tyrion is confronted with Shae and loses his mind. His last resort is trial by combat. The only options available to him are: Jaime, his brother who has lost his hand (clearly not a great pick for this type of combat), Bronn, a sellsword whose only wish is to get paid handsomely for as little labour as possible (can't speak with him, no idea of his where abouts since his imprisonment). Either of these two isn't a real option as of yet. This is where THE IDEA of Oberyn comes into play. 1+1=2 in this case. We're just not so far into the season for Tyrion to realise this (I think he didn't give it any thought until Shae walked in and he got publicly humiliated that his rage against his entire family came to this outburst in the last scene of today's episode).

So, it's not obvious YET when you purely look at the scene's we've been given thusfar. As people dig through trailers and previews however, it is clearly Oberyn fighting a battle with the Mountain. And that is why, I think, it makes it a little obvious.

Sucks that some readers just don't have any dignity and start coming up with these posts where they 'guess' the outcome of cliffhangers. Too bad I'm not wielding the banhammer.

Jaime is the perfect pick because Tywin will never risk the death of Jaime and Tyrion knows that. A Jaime pick, assuming Jaime accepts, is a rigged contest. Tywin will happily lose one son, especially if it's Tyrion, but never risk both at the same time.
On an unrelated note, I found the Iron Bank scene really dumb because they were dumb. "Sorry Stannis, I don't think you can possibly win the Iron Throne unless someone gives you a lot of money because you've got too few men and you can't support them."
No fucking shit Iron Bank, that's literally the point of this meeting, to get the money to win the Iron Throne. The observation that you won't support me because I can't win alone without money makes no sense because the support I'm suggesting you give is money. We both agree I need money, that's why we're having this meeting, but you have money so if you give me the money you have solved the issue and therefore made me worth supporting.

I mean seriously Iron Bank, are you lost? Do you need someone to find you an adult and take you home?

Money equips armies, yes.

It does not make you defensible against seiges when you have no food and are confined to an island.
It does not generate soldiers by itself (unless you're assuming there are tens of thousands of sellswords hanging out waiting that haven't been hired into the existing war)
Money that goes into creating production facilities to make more ships/weapons is money not spent on materials.

The concept of only loaning money to someone who is likely to be able to use it effectively and pay it back isn't some arcane Westeros idea. Stannis isn't the head of a mighty kingdom that can't pay the bills in the short run. He literally lacks a way to turn that money into a victory. Davos convinced the Iron Bank by explaining that it wasn't about the loan changing Stannis's odds today, it was the instability of the status quo making Stannis the only one who was going to be in any position to pay back the Crown's debt ever, and that's a worthy investment.
RedFury
Profile Joined September 2011
Italy85 Posts
May 13 2014 20:25 GMT
#23128
Even if Stannis took the throne, would that grant him the money to repay the debt with the iron bank? I just fail to see the direct correlation of being the king and having automatically more money to pay back the interests.
In fact, wouldn't the Tyrells be a better debtor than the Lannister for the Iron bank, even without being the royal house?
Also, once Stannis dies (because of old age) who's granting the interests to the Iron bank? Seems like the same problem that Davos pointed out refering to the death of Tywin.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
May 13 2014 20:33 GMT
#23129
On May 14 2014 05:25 RedFury wrote:
Even if Stannis took the throne, would that grant him the money to repay the debt with the iron bank? I just fail to see the direct correlation of being the king and having automatically more money to pay back the interests.
In fact, wouldn't the Tyrells be a better debtor than the Lannister for the Iron bank, even without being the royal house?
Also, once Stannis dies (because of old age) who's granting the interests to the Iron bank? Seems like the same problem that Davos pointed out refering to the death of Tywin.


The point Stannis and Davos are making is that there will be more wars if Lannisters stay. So more expenses.
Stannis basically says "Give me money now and there will be no more wars, so I will be able to start paying back".
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
May 13 2014 20:48 GMT
#23130
+ Show Spoiler +
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LOOOL
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
imJealous
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1382 Posts
May 13 2014 21:12 GMT
#23131
On May 14 2014 05:48 Mensol wrote:
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LOOOL

ONCE YOU HAVE SEEN IT YOU CANNOT UNSEE IT!
... In life very little goes right. "Right" meaning the way one expected and the way one wanted it. One has no right to want or expect anything.
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
May 13 2014 21:12 GMT
#23132
That last picture is brilliant. Wow I almost laughed out loud.
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imJealous
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1382 Posts
May 13 2014 21:22 GMT
#23133
On May 14 2014 05:33 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2014 05:25 RedFury wrote:
Even if Stannis took the throne, would that grant him the money to repay the debt with the iron bank? I just fail to see the direct correlation of being the king and having automatically more money to pay back the interests.
In fact, wouldn't the Tyrells be a better debtor than the Lannister for the Iron bank, even without being the royal house?
Also, once Stannis dies (because of old age) who's granting the interests to the Iron bank? Seems like the same problem that Davos pointed out refering to the death of Tywin.


The point Stannis and Davos are making is that there will be more wars if Lannisters stay. So more expenses.
Stannis basically says "Give me money now and there will be no more wars, so I will be able to start paying back".

The way I see it is that if Stannis is made king, he will likely raise taxes, cut spending, etc etc etc so he can start paying back the debt. Things that most kings would not do because it will make their people hate them and potentially rise up against them, but Stannis is probably the kind of man who doesn't care what the commoners think and is willing to do all kinds of terrible things to keep his people in line given what we saw Lady Melissandra doing to his brother in law etc earlier in this season
... In life very little goes right. "Right" meaning the way one expected and the way one wanted it. One has no right to want or expect anything.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
May 13 2014 21:32 GMT
#23134
On May 14 2014 06:22 imJealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2014 05:33 Steveling wrote:
On May 14 2014 05:25 RedFury wrote:
Even if Stannis took the throne, would that grant him the money to repay the debt with the iron bank? I just fail to see the direct correlation of being the king and having automatically more money to pay back the interests.
In fact, wouldn't the Tyrells be a better debtor than the Lannister for the Iron bank, even without being the royal house?
Also, once Stannis dies (because of old age) who's granting the interests to the Iron bank? Seems like the same problem that Davos pointed out refering to the death of Tywin.


The point Stannis and Davos are making is that there will be more wars if Lannisters stay. So more expenses.
Stannis basically says "Give me money now and there will be no more wars, so I will be able to start paying back".

The way I see it is that if Stannis is made king, he will likely raise taxes, cut spending, etc etc etc so he can start paying back the debt. Things that most kings would not do because it will make their people hate them and potentially rise up against them, but Stannis is probably the kind of man who doesn't care what the commoners think and is willing to do all kinds of terrible things to keep his people in line given what we saw Lady Melissandra doing to his brother in law etc earlier in this season


That may be but it's completely irrelevant.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Acertos
Profile Joined February 2012
France852 Posts
May 13 2014 21:49 GMT
#23135
Yes Westeros needs a cure of austerity. But what if it ends up in a vicious circle like in the EU? With more poors so less money to be taxed?
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
May 13 2014 22:46 GMT
#23136
On May 12 2014 12:28 bearbuddy wrote:
Tywin fucked up. He got everything he wanted, but then he just had to bring out Shae to rub the victory in Tyrion's face and rile him up.


Tywin is the judge, he didn't brought anyone.

The accuser is Cersei
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
May 14 2014 01:12 GMT
#23137
maybe no one will fight for the dwarf and it'll be tyrion vs the mountain
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
May 14 2014 01:49 GMT
#23138
On May 14 2014 10:12 Assault_1 wrote:
maybe no one will fight for the dwarf and it'll be tyrion vs the mountain

Literally David vs Goliath.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 14 2014 02:05 GMT
#23139
On May 14 2014 10:49 Darkhorse wrote:
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On May 14 2014 10:12 Assault_1 wrote:
maybe no one will fight for the dwarf and it'll be tyrion vs the mountain

Literally David vs Goliath.

Tyrion should nominate Varys as his champion. Spider mines do bad things to Goliaths.
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44277 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 03:20:35
May 14 2014 03:20 GMT
#23140
On May 14 2014 05:48 Mensol wrote:
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LOOOL

thanks for fucking making my day ! i am no longer sad :D
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