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On May 14 2014 00:23 oGoZenob wrote:
One other thing tho, why is tywin sitting on the iron throne ? I know that tomment withdraw and everything, but can he still sit on the throne ? It's not like there is no other chair available.It's the goddamn throne, it means something to sit on it !
That is whole point of being a Kings Hand. You act like a king in times of his absence. So yeah you are perfectly allowed to sit on a throne.
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Question: If Littlefinger pulled the necklace off of Sansa when she entered the boat, how did Pycelle have it for the trial? Did Littlefinger give it to him? Wouldn't that mean Pycelle was part of it all along as well?
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Littlefinger threw the necklace on top of the dead fool in the boat.
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On May 14 2014 00:36 Excludos wrote:
Question: If Littlefinger pulled the necklace off of Sansa when she entered the boat, how did Pycelle have it for the trial? Did Littlefinger give it to him? Wouldn't that mean Pycelle was part of it all along as well?
Littlefinger stupidly(?) threw it on the boat with the body of Ser Dontos (the fool). The boat, body, and necklace were all presumably found.
On May 13 2014 21:43 urboss wrote:
Who is your favorite good guy?
Jaime and/or Tyrion could easily be considered good guys, and unless by "guy" you mean male, then many of the females should also be included. I'm surprised that Podrick and possibly even Jaquen are that high on the list, since they're both [at least currently] minor characters (and Jaquen is also a bit weird/bland being that all he really is is an assassin that talks weird and changes faces)
On May 13 2014 16:57 y0su wrote:
did anyone else expect goblins at the iron bank?
Why?
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On May 14 2014 00:20 Dunmer wrote:
But their point is that stannis needs money to win the war and hence kingdom, which they can give and hence the entire meeting. If he wins the war then he can pay back their iron throne debt with interest since they would have gave stannis the money to take the throne. They contradict what they said
The only contradiction was changing their mind. They pointed out that Stannis had zero chance of winning anything right now, and was so far behind that it would take basically the modern day equivalent of a multi-billion dollar loan to make him a favorite to accomplish what he wanted. So they needed some major convincing of why they should risk that, since they could care less who "deserves" to have the throne.
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On May 14 2014 00:50 karazax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 00:20 Dunmer wrote:
But their point is that stannis needs money to win the war and hence kingdom, which they can give and hence the entire meeting. If he wins the war then he can pay back their iron throne debt with interest since they would have gave stannis the money to take the throne. They contradict what they said The only contradiction was changing their mind. They pointed out that Stannis had zero chance of winning anything right now, and was so far behind that it would take basically the modern day equivalent of a multi-billion dollar loan to make him a favorite to accomplish what he wanted. So they needed some major convincing of why they should risk that, since they could care less who "deserves" to have the throne.
They spent forever explaining that without any money he couldn't possibly win, a fact that was only not even slightly in dispute but also was completely irrelevant because the help he was asking for from them was for money so it'd in no way impact whether or not they should help him.
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On May 14 2014 00:41 Xapti wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 00:36 Excludos wrote:
Question: If Littlefinger pulled the necklace off of Sansa when she entered the boat, how did Pycelle have it for the trial? Did Littlefinger give it to him? Wouldn't that mean Pycelle was part of it all along as well? Littlefinger stupidly(?) threw it on the boat with the body of Ser Dontos (the fool). The boat, body, and necklace were all presumably found.
Condisering how Littlefinger proved to be a genius mastermind, I'm pretty sure he did that on purpose and expecting the body to be found.
He could have just dropped it on the sea if he wanted it gone forever.
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On May 14 2014 00:52 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 00:50 karazax wrote:On May 14 2014 00:20 Dunmer wrote:
But their point is that stannis needs money to win the war and hence kingdom, which they can give and hence the entire meeting. If he wins the war then he can pay back their iron throne debt with interest since they would have gave stannis the money to take the throne. They contradict what they said The only contradiction was changing their mind. They pointed out that Stannis had zero chance of winning anything right now, and was so far behind that it would take basically the modern day equivalent of a multi-billion dollar loan to make him a favorite to accomplish what he wanted. So they needed some major convincing of why they should risk that, since they could care less who "deserves" to have the throne. They spent forever explaining that without any money he couldn't possibly win, a fact that was only not even slightly in dispute but also was completely irrelevant because the help he was asking for from them was for money so it'd in no way impact whether or not they should help him.
Euh, so if some farmer from westeros asks them if they wanna pay his campaign for the irone throne, it shouldn't impact their decision cause obviously he can't afford this without their help?
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I guess banks usually want to see some asset-backed securities before they hand out a loan.
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On May 14 2014 01:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 00:52 KwarK wrote:On May 14 2014 00:50 karazax wrote:On May 14 2014 00:20 Dunmer wrote:
But their point is that stannis needs money to win the war and hence kingdom, which they can give and hence the entire meeting. If he wins the war then he can pay back their iron throne debt with interest since they would have gave stannis the money to take the throne. They contradict what they said The only contradiction was changing their mind. They pointed out that Stannis had zero chance of winning anything right now, and was so far behind that it would take basically the modern day equivalent of a multi-billion dollar loan to make him a favorite to accomplish what he wanted. So they needed some major convincing of why they should risk that, since they could care less who "deserves" to have the throne. They spent forever explaining that without any money he couldn't possibly win, a fact that was only not even slightly in dispute but also was completely irrelevant because the help he was asking for from them was for money so it'd in no way impact whether or not they should help him. Euh, so if some farmer from westeros asks them if they wanna pay his campaign for the irone throne, it shouldn't impact their decision cause obviously he can't afford this without their help?
Exactly. The point was why should the back HIS request, over any other potential candidate? They could care less if he was the "rightful" heir, they wanted the one who would most likely turn them a profit. It's not like Stannis had 80% of what he needed to win and was asking for the money to cover the last 20%. More like he had 20% and was asking them to bank roll 80%+ of what would be required.
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On May 13 2014 13:03 EtDecius wrote:
If Sam the Fat One can kill a White Walker, it's only reasonable that Tyrion the Imp can slay the Mountain that Rides. Backstabs don't happen in 1v1s.
Secondly and more importantly, dwarfs, women, cripples, and I think children (and possibly others like sick or religious) don't have to fight for themselves, they get to choose a champion, just like the last trial Tyrion was a part of which was at the Eryie.
I suppose Cersei and/or Tywin choose a champion (which obviously wouldn't be Jaime, and has been spoiled anyway), while Tyrion would have to choose someone else (one would think Bronn again but it has also been spoiled)
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On May 14 2014 01:16 karazax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 01:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On May 14 2014 00:52 KwarK wrote:On May 14 2014 00:50 karazax wrote:On May 14 2014 00:20 Dunmer wrote:
But their point is that stannis needs money to win the war and hence kingdom, which they can give and hence the entire meeting. If he wins the war then he can pay back their iron throne debt with interest since they would have gave stannis the money to take the throne. They contradict what they said The only contradiction was changing their mind. They pointed out that Stannis had zero chance of winning anything right now, and was so far behind that it would take basically the modern day equivalent of a multi-billion dollar loan to make him a favorite to accomplish what he wanted. So they needed some major convincing of why they should risk that, since they could care less who "deserves" to have the throne. They spent forever explaining that without any money he couldn't possibly win, a fact that was only not even slightly in dispute but also was completely irrelevant because the help he was asking for from them was for money so it'd in no way impact whether or not they should help him. Euh, so if some farmer from westeros asks them if they wanna pay his campaign for the irone throne, it shouldn't impact their decision cause obviously he can't afford this without their help? Exactly. The point was why should the back HIS request, over any other potential candidate? They could care less if he was the "rightful" heir, they wanted the one who would most likely turn them a profit. It's not like Stannis had 80% of what he needed to win and was asking for the money to cover the last 20%. More like he had 20% and was asking them to bank roll 80%+ of what would be required.
Still better than Lannisters with no goldmines.
Don't forget stannis can become rich with trading, Davos has the know how.
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On May 14 2014 00:35 Jandos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 00:23 oGoZenob wrote:
One other thing tho, why is tywin sitting on the iron throne ? I know that tomment withdraw and everything, but can he still sit on the throne ? It's not like there is no other chair available.It's the goddamn throne, it means something to sit on it ! That is whole point of being a Kings Hand. You act like a king in times of his absence. So yeah you are perfectly allowed to sit on a throne.
Yes but replacing the king does not makes you king, even when the actual king is not here. For me, sitting on the throne is like wearing the crown, it's highly significant.
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On May 14 2014 00:23 oGoZenob wrote:
Well, i'm pretty sure tyrion will ask jaime to fight, and he will refuse/be denied by tywin. And then Oberyn volunteers :p Or maybe the fight mountain/viper is not for the trial, but that'd be surprising.
One other thing tho, why is tywin sitting on the iron throne ? I know that tomment withdraw and everything, but can he still sit on the throne ? It's not like there is no other chair available.It's the goddamn throne, it means something to sit on it !
Ned Stark was also sitting on that throne when Robert was hunting. Sitting on the throne means you represent the king that very moment.
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On May 14 2014 00:41 Xapti wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 00:36 Excludos wrote:
Question: If Littlefinger pulled the necklace off of Sansa when she entered the boat, how did Pycelle have it for the trial? Did Littlefinger give it to him? Wouldn't that mean Pycelle was part of it all along as well? Littlefinger stupidly(?) threw it on the boat with the body of Ser Dontos (the fool). The boat, body, and necklace were all presumably found. Jaime and/or Tyrion could easily be considered good guys, and unless by "guy" you mean male, then many of the females should also be included. I'm surprised that Podrick and possibly even Jaquen are that high on the list, since they're both [at least currently] minor characters (and Jaquen is also a bit weird/bland being that all he really is is an assassin that talks weird and changes faces) Show nested quote +On May 13 2014 16:57 y0su wrote:
did anyone else expect goblins at the iron bank? Why?
jaime,
+ Show Spoiler +1. trys to kill a child to cover his incest acting, even not ordering it but throwing the little guy from the tower!
2. kills friendly people just to have a chance to escape
3. rapes his sister next the body of his dead son
ONLY in GoT someone like this is the GOOD guy and not the absolut evil one 
love this series ^^ love jamie too xD
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On a less appreciated part of the show, Dany finally has her own problems to deal with :D No more righteous unquestioned rampaging going down.
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On May 14 2014 01:16 karazax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 01:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On May 14 2014 00:52 KwarK wrote:On May 14 2014 00:50 karazax wrote:On May 14 2014 00:20 Dunmer wrote:
But their point is that stannis needs money to win the war and hence kingdom, which they can give and hence the entire meeting. If he wins the war then he can pay back their iron throne debt with interest since they would have gave stannis the money to take the throne. They contradict what they said The only contradiction was changing their mind. They pointed out that Stannis had zero chance of winning anything right now, and was so far behind that it would take basically the modern day equivalent of a multi-billion dollar loan to make him a favorite to accomplish what he wanted. So they needed some major convincing of why they should risk that, since they could care less who "deserves" to have the throne. They spent forever explaining that without any money he couldn't possibly win, a fact that was only not even slightly in dispute but also was completely irrelevant because the help he was asking for from them was for money so it'd in no way impact whether or not they should help him. Euh, so if some farmer from westeros asks them if they wanna pay his campaign for the irone throne, it shouldn't impact their decision cause obviously he can't afford this without their help? Exactly. The point was why should the back HIS request, over any other potential candidate? They could care less if he was the "rightful" heir, they wanted the one who would most likely turn them a profit. It's not like Stannis had 80% of what he needed to win and was asking for the money to cover the last 20%. More like he had 20% and was asking them to bank roll 80%+ of what would be required.
Stannis enforces the law and ensures that debts are paid. It's not a slogan like with the currently delinquent Lannisters. Stannis really does it - just look at Davos' hand.
It's a pretty good argument. Particularly when made to a bank looking to protect itself from a large loss.
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On May 14 2014 02:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 01:16 karazax wrote:On May 14 2014 01:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On May 14 2014 00:52 KwarK wrote:On May 14 2014 00:50 karazax wrote:On May 14 2014 00:20 Dunmer wrote:
But their point is that stannis needs money to win the war and hence kingdom, which they can give and hence the entire meeting. If he wins the war then he can pay back their iron throne debt with interest since they would have gave stannis the money to take the throne. They contradict what they said The only contradiction was changing their mind. They pointed out that Stannis had zero chance of winning anything right now, and was so far behind that it would take basically the modern day equivalent of a multi-billion dollar loan to make him a favorite to accomplish what he wanted. So they needed some major convincing of why they should risk that, since they could care less who "deserves" to have the throne. They spent forever explaining that without any money he couldn't possibly win, a fact that was only not even slightly in dispute but also was completely irrelevant because the help he was asking for from them was for money so it'd in no way impact whether or not they should help him. Euh, so if some farmer from westeros asks them if they wanna pay his campaign for the irone throne, it shouldn't impact their decision cause obviously he can't afford this without their help? Exactly. The point was why should the back HIS request, over any other potential candidate? They could care less if he was the "rightful" heir, they wanted the one who would most likely turn them a profit. It's not like Stannis had 80% of what he needed to win and was asking for the money to cover the last 20%. More like he had 20% and was asking them to bank roll 80%+ of what would be required. Stannis enforces the law and ensures that debts are paid. It's not a slogan like with the currently delinquent Lannisters. Stannis really does it - just look at Davos' hand. It's a pretty good argument. Particularly when made to a bank looking to protect itself from a large loss.
It's a lot easier to chop off a smuggler's fingers than to win a kingdom. Just because he would pay back the debts if he won the throne doesn't mean he will win the throne, even with their money. He has 4,000 men against a somewhat-unified Iron Throne. It's not enough, and no matter how much money you throw at it you can't conjure soldiers even if you can buy plenty of ships and supplies.
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On May 14 2014 02:48 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 02:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On May 14 2014 01:16 karazax wrote:On May 14 2014 01:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On May 14 2014 00:52 KwarK wrote:On May 14 2014 00:50 karazax wrote:On May 14 2014 00:20 Dunmer wrote:
But their point is that stannis needs money to win the war and hence kingdom, which they can give and hence the entire meeting. If he wins the war then he can pay back their iron throne debt with interest since they would have gave stannis the money to take the throne. They contradict what they said The only contradiction was changing their mind. They pointed out that Stannis had zero chance of winning anything right now, and was so far behind that it would take basically the modern day equivalent of a multi-billion dollar loan to make him a favorite to accomplish what he wanted. So they needed some major convincing of why they should risk that, since they could care less who "deserves" to have the throne. They spent forever explaining that without any money he couldn't possibly win, a fact that was only not even slightly in dispute but also was completely irrelevant because the help he was asking for from them was for money so it'd in no way impact whether or not they should help him. Euh, so if some farmer from westeros asks them if they wanna pay his campaign for the irone throne, it shouldn't impact their decision cause obviously he can't afford this without their help? Exactly. The point was why should the back HIS request, over any other potential candidate? They could care less if he was the "rightful" heir, they wanted the one who would most likely turn them a profit. It's not like Stannis had 80% of what he needed to win and was asking for the money to cover the last 20%. More like he had 20% and was asking them to bank roll 80%+ of what would be required. Stannis enforces the law and ensures that debts are paid. It's not a slogan like with the currently delinquent Lannisters. Stannis really does it - just look at Davos' hand. It's a pretty good argument. Particularly when made to a bank looking to protect itself from a large loss. It's a lot easier to chop off a smuggler's fingers than to win a kingdom. Just because he would pay back the debts if he won the throne doesn't mean he will win the throne, even with their money. He has 4,000 men against a somewhat-unified Iron Throne. It's not enough, and no matter how much money you throw at it you can't conjure soldiers even if you can buy plenty of ships and supplies.
Fair point. I doubt they're fully backing him at this point though. He's probably more like a convenient hedge.
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