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InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
February 24 2022 07:52 GMT
#41
On February 24 2022 09:43 Archeon wrote:
I think the Mistborn trilogy and his first major book Elantris are both good starting points.


I tend to disagree. Elantris to me was one of his worst books and frankly hard to get though because it felt so slow. I would start with Mistborn 1-3 and then possibly Stormlight Archives 1.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-24 08:38:24
February 24 2022 08:34 GMT
#42
On February 24 2022 06:51 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2022 05:03 Jerubaal wrote:
So what's a good Sanderson series to start with?

I noticed Pratchett's Discworld was on the list. I think Pratchett is a great writer and his books are very entertaining, but, jeez louise, his glibness starts to wear on you after a while. That's the sort of self-referentiality I'm looking to avoid.


Mistborn trilogy.


Can absolutely second that. Mistborn is a must read if you are a fantasy fan.
EDIT: I didn't really get warm with Elantris but Stormligt archives is pretty good as well
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44280 Posts
February 24 2022 09:36 GMT
#43
On February 24 2022 05:03 Jerubaal wrote:
So what's a good Sanderson series to start with?

I noticed Pratchett's Discworld was on the list. I think Pratchett is a great writer and his books are very entertaining, but, jeez louise, his glibness starts to wear on you after a while. That's the sort of self-referentiality I'm looking to avoid.

I agree with others that Mistborn Trilogy is the best introduction for the authors works
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18307 Posts
February 24 2022 21:53 GMT
#44
On February 24 2022 18:36 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2022 05:03 Jerubaal wrote:
So what's a good Sanderson series to start with?

I noticed Pratchett's Discworld was on the list. I think Pratchett is a great writer and his books are very entertaining, but, jeez louise, his glibness starts to wear on you after a while. That's the sort of self-referentiality I'm looking to avoid.

I agree with others that Mistborn Trilogy is the best introduction for the authors works

Mistborn no doubt.

But if you like scifi, Skyward is actually pretty entertaining too. Unfinished series, but should be finished soon(ish). And unlike most authors, when Sanderson says it'll be done soon, it actually will be.

And I'd put Warbreaker ahead of Elantris for a standalone novel. Elantris is pretty heavy and rather clunky. Warbreaker is a lot lighter read (but if you want epic stuff, I guess Elantris has a bit more of it).

Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
February 25 2022 01:33 GMT
#45
Any particular reason I should read it as a book or is audiobook fine?
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Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4748 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-25 16:52:14
February 25 2022 09:01 GMT
#46
I never listen to audiobooks so I cannot comment on that.

Sanderson is really interesting. I really enjoyed Mistborn, but while there is war, people die, get raped and whatever, it still feels a little bit like PG13 fantasy to me. Also he is horrible with writing lovestories.

Stormlight Archives, I really enjoyed the first two books, intriguing systems, interesting story, great setting and world building. But I have absolut no desire to carry on reading into the next books of the series. It feels like the story can only go downhill from where we currently are.
And while I think the 'magic'-systems he is building are really cool, he is overdoing it for my taste. + Show Spoiler +
I mean, Kaladin is basically flying like an F18 fighter-jet at the end of book 2. It is kind of ridiculous.


Interesting writer for sure, but I do not foresee that I will follow all of his book series to the great finale that he is planning at some time far away in the future.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-25 10:40:02
February 25 2022 10:37 GMT
#47
On February 25 2022 18:01 Malinor wrote:
I never hera Audiobooks so I cannot comment on that.

Sanderson is really interesting. I really enjoyed Mistborn, but while there is war, people die, get raped and whatever, it still feels a little bit like PG13 fantasy to me. Also he is horrible with writing lovestories.

Stormlight Archives, I really enjoyed the first two books, intriguing systems, interesting story, great setting and world building. But I have absolut no desire to carry on reading into the next books of the series. It feels like the story can only go downhill from where we currently are.
And while I think the 'magic'-systems he is building are really cool, he is overdoing it for my taste. + Show Spoiler +
I mean, Kaladin is basically flying like an F18 fighter-jet at the end of book 2. It is kind of ridiculous.


Interesting writer for sure, but I do not foresee that I will follow all of his book series to the great finale that he is planning at some time far away in the future.


Haven't heard a audiobook all my life (well, as a small child when walkmen's still existed) and it's really not my thing. No idea

I do like the Sanderson's supernatural abilities always have a limit on them from the get go basically, but I agree: With Stormlight he may have overdone it a bit.

Brent Weeks is a lot similar in world building and "ability building" but a bit more on the adult side IMO. Can recommend as a follow up to Sanderson

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If you don't know who Durzo Blint is, you are not a fantasy fan IMO :D
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Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3266 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-01 11:58:57
March 01 2022 11:45 GMT
#48
On February 24 2022 16:52 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2022 09:43 Archeon wrote:
I think the Mistborn trilogy and his first major book Elantris are both good starting points.


I tend to disagree. Elantris to me was one of his worst books and frankly hard to get though because it felt so slow. I would start with Mistborn 1-3 and then possibly Stormlight Archives 1.

That's probably part of why I liked Elantris. Sanderson at times feels a bit formulaic to me and Elantris took more time to develop characters and felt less like a teens book (which is often intentional) with action in predictable intervals. Fantasy and especially Sanderson feels a bit streamlined to me nowadays and Elantris was less so. Stormlight takes it's time on occasion too though.

I really liked Stormlight archives so far, but I don't think it's a good entry point unless you're into large sagas that on occasion describe a random merchant's travel experience for worldbuilding purposes.

On February 25 2022 18:01 Malinor wrote:
I never listen to audiobooks so I cannot comment on that.

Sanderson is really interesting. I really enjoyed Mistborn, but while there is war, people die, get raped and whatever, it still feels a little bit like PG13 fantasy to me. Also he is horrible with writing lovestories.

Stormlight Archives, I really enjoyed the first two books, intriguing systems, interesting story, great setting and world building. But I have absolut no desire to carry on reading into the next books of the series. It feels like the story can only go downhill from where we currently are.
And while I think the 'magic'-systems he is building are really cool, he is overdoing it for my taste. + Show Spoiler +
I mean, Kaladin is basically flying like an F18 fighter-jet at the end of book 2. It is kind of ridiculous.


Interesting writer for sure, but I do not foresee that I will follow all of his book series to the great finale that he is planning at some time far away in the future.

Book 3 moves the focus a bit away from Kaladin and while I'd say that Sanderson keeps escalating and that the middle part feels a bit stretched he also deviates a bit from his tried and true formula and in the end it has imo one of the most satisfying payoffs he ever wrote. Which wouldn't be that high a bar normally since imo he is decent but not great at this, but he really outdid himself in that book.

Like personally I think that what he does with Kaladin in the book is still weak, but what he does with Dalinar and Shallan is spot on.

On a side note this reads a bit like I'm bashing Sanderson and I want to be clear that I think he's one of the best fantasy authors there are. I just think he often plays it a bit too close to the playbook and it's really noticeable after you've read a bunch of his books like me.
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17765 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-01 20:18:12
March 01 2022 20:16 GMT
#49
On September 18 2018 03:19 Silvanel wrote:
You left out some pretty serious contenders:
d)Sergiej Łukajnienko - Patrol (i guess it wasnt transalted to English???)


It was translated to English and I would like to remind you that there were even full movie adaptations of it (which were also translated to English, even with dubbing). Sergei Lukyanenko wrote the Watch series (not Patrol, that's a bad Polish translation).

Read all of it, amazing series, highly recommended (movies are hella confusing though).
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44280 Posts
March 02 2022 08:12 GMT
#50
On February 25 2022 10:33 Jerubaal wrote:
Any particular reason I should read it as a book or is audiobook fine?

This is probably a personal preference thing tbh

I always go for books most of the time. I just have a mental voice on how character sound in my head while reading so i don't like audiobooks. Also my reading speed sometimes is slow or fast so a measured pace kinda ruins my reading mood when i have to pause
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17765 Posts
March 03 2022 12:56 GMT
#51
I don't really like audiobooks because I tend to space out and miss big chunks of what's going on. I'm more of a visual person myself so it's always books for me (I don't much like ebooks either, nothing beats the tactile feel the paper gives you).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9860 Posts
December 14 2022 17:36 GMT
#52
I finally caught the Sanderson bug.
My first Sanderson book was Way of Kings and I've just finished the second book in that series and I'm now ready to start Oathbringer.
I absolutely love it. What an incredible world he's built here.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9860 Posts
December 05 2024 19:36 GMT
#53
Book 5 of Stormlight is out tomorrow.
Its the end of the first arc. How exciting!
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7226 Posts
December 16 2024 12:10 GMT
#54
Sanderson is a writing machine. Completely forgot about that.
Still no news on Martin and Rothfuss and I guess we never will hear anything
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2816 Posts
December 17 2024 16:40 GMT
#55
Unfortunately 5 was probably the weakest book in the series.
Not bad but expectations were sky high for me.
It was fine when reading it but left a bit off a bitter aftertaste.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9860 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-12-20 09:45:30
December 20 2024 09:45 GMT
#56
On December 18 2024 01:40 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Unfortunately 5 was probably the weakest book in the series.
Not bad but expectations were sky high for me.
It was fine when reading it but left a bit off a bitter aftertaste.


I agree, although the standard is high so book 5 is still good. I think he left himself with too much wrapping up to do and some of it just really doesn't hit.
The whole thing with

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Jasnah and Taravangian


Was mindblowingly stupid.

I still enjoyed it overall, and I think it might work better on a reread.
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12098 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-23 20:59:30
January 23 2025 20:38 GMT
#57
I have mostly burnt out on classical epic fantasy and fallen into the progression fantasy area (where most are numbers going up over plot or characters and thus guilty pleasures). After a period of grimdark, which got depressing.

A standout in progression fantasy is Cradle Series by Will Wight. It is a cultivation series at its core but has an interesting world, decent characters and enjoyable combat. It is definitely epic by the time the series finishes. It is focused on being fast paced over going deep in any specific area, which is not a hallmark of epic fantasy.

A common summary is that it is a classical Xianxia but written for a western audience. Which is also a good way to explain it to people a bit more exposed to those types of Chinese "martial arts" series.

I enjoyed the audio book version but read two of them and that was nice as well.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44280 Posts
February 10 2025 17:14 GMT
#58
Cradle is indeed pretty great but probably the only one I found that is consistently better in quality within the genre of progressional fantasy
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Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria387 Posts
February 13 2025 15:49 GMT
#59
Interesting to see Rowling in the list and no mention of Bakker, for example. His work is quite significant - might not be everyone's cup of tea, but his contribution to the genre can't be ignored.
Husyelt
Profile Blog Joined May 2020
United States837 Posts
February 17 2025 05:08 GMT
#60
On February 14 2025 00:49 Nirli wrote:
Interesting to see Rowling in the list and no mention of Bakker, for example. His work is quite significant - might not be everyone's cup of tea, but his contribution to the genre can't be ignored.

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