EPTMaye if you cut it down by 40-50 minutes it would be ok.
Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi - Page 17
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Velr
Switzerland10871 Posts
Maye if you cut it down by 40-50 minutes it would be ok. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
The one thing that the TO did get right as that first duel between Luke and Vader. There was real suspense in thinking that Luke might just pull out a pucky hero win. And then it goes full horror movie. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
For all the flaws of TFA, I have to say that Abrams did character development far better than Johnson. The only exception is Kylo Ren in that Johnson fleshed him out in a much more dignified manner, but Johnson failed to make Rey into a worthy character (was borderline for Abrams but he did have some good scenes like the AT-AT one), all the new characters he introduced were kind of either bad or ultimately disappointing, and the new movie looks like it was written with fuck-all regard for continuity (it was). After having some time to digest it, it feels most like one of the Marvel Cinematic Universe movies, perhaps one of the lesser ones like the Thor franchise. They have some worthy characters and decent plot points within, but the good characters consistently get screwed on plot if they're not one of the goodie two-shoes superheroes, and meaningful character development sequences are excluded. The plot of one movie hardly seems to lead into the next, with continuity being handwaved with something of an asspull. Yes, they're fun to watch, but you don't really get invested in the plot because they aren't high-quality storytelling. This movie makes me wonder what the hell E9 is going to have to do to be serviceable. I think Abrams is good enough to make the best out of a screwed up plot point or two but the movie has to pick up where this one left off and not break more continuity. Rather than focusing on finishing in a grand and worthy manner like RotJ got to do (and it did do it well despite "wahhh ewocks" complaints) it now has to de-stupid its predecessor. | ||
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Plansix
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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The_Red_Viper
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People complain about humor being a problem in TLJ because you cannot get immersed? Well the old movies and in particular ROTJ have so many cheesy things which make it impossible to take it seriously. But i guess that's just "charm" | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10871 Posts
On December 19 2017 03:41 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ewoks aren't the only problem of ROTJ. The whole movie is really mediocre, the only actual good part is the same standard of production as the others and the throne room stuff. Other than that it doesn't have much going for it. People complain about humor being a problem in TLJ because you cannot get immersed? Well the old movies and in particular ROTJ have so many cheesy things which make it impossible to take it seriously. But i guess that's just "charm" This so much. 6 wasn't good. The opening with freeing Han was cool and the Throneroom... The rest? I barely remember it, except Evoks killing atats using stones... At least r2d2 didn't singlehandely kill a batallion of stormtroopers... Or peed fire on battle droids... Or killed them by coin. | ||
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
Not sure how anybody can complain about plot holes or cheesiness, it was always a part of Star Wars. | ||
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Godwrath
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ragz_gt
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I can see why a lot of people hated it, but for it to be not just nostalgia jerkfest going forward, it's prob best path. I'm just glad the thing from SW BF didn't actually turn into a thing (yet). | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On December 19 2017 04:06 Velr wrote: This so much. 6 wasn't good. The opening with freeing Han was cool and the Throneroom... The rest? I barely remember it, except Evoks killing atats using stones... At least r2d2 didn't singlehandely kill a batallion of stormtroopers... Or peed fire on battle droids... Or killed them by coin. Well that was really a bit much, bb8 got a lot of silly scenes. Kinda like r2d2 in the prequels. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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LegalLord
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The_Red_Viper
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On December 19 2017 06:59 TheTenthDoc wrote: I dunno, plot-hole wise it just seemed denser. Maybe I need to rewatch TFA. But for this movie they actually had to have the art book include info that time moves faster on the Jedi planet in order to make the timetable work. That feels like a new low to me, and something that could have easily been fit into the script if they hadn't already bulged it out into a 150 minute monster. IIRC people had similar issues with ESB. Luke/Yoda and the rest don't make much sense on a timeline. In TLJ it's more severe though i agree. Again though, plot/logic was never a strong aspect of star wars. There are countless problems in every single star wars movie if we just look for it. FFS the big weakness of the Deathstar had to be explained in Rogue One because it was so stupid. | ||
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VHbb
692 Posts
man, this was good! I truly enjoyed it! :D I also got to watch it in 3D, what a show.. 9/10 for me <3 | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On December 19 2017 02:41 The_Red_Viper wrote: TLJ doesn't deserve the hate it gets. It has plot problems like any other star wars movie. These are made for children, you don't have to have the most sophisticated plot in that case, convenient writing is always a staple of star wars. It gets the hate mostly because big star wars fans cannot deal with the direction the movie took. Luke is a broken hero, he despises the legend building around him because he made mistakes and gave up (though at the end he actually reverts to a more positive pov) I think this is by far the biggest reason people hate it so much, the head canon got destroyed. There absolutely are problems, but also a lot of things it does very well. People actually going as far as rating this as the worst star wars movie are completely ridiculous. The prequels are on such another level of garbage it's not even close (every basic film making concept is worse) Also people still look at the OT through rose-tinted glasses.. I have issues with the prequels also, but this movie is worse than the prequels for the sole fact that at least the prequels had actual world building and an original plot. Say what you want about Rogue One, but at least the story of Rogue One was totally different than any of the other Star Wars movies, which is admirable considering it needed to tell a story that everyone already knew the ending to. The plots of BOTH of these new movies have been lifted directly out of the Original Trilogy, every single plot point is lifted from the original trilogy, there are even scenes that are almost 100% copy pasted from original trilogy movies. So if you have a problem with plot holes, illogical moments, silly humor and any of the other things that the prequels or the original trilogy have then fine. But this movie (and episode 7) adds the sin of being a complete rehash on top of all of that. It's a poorly done retelling of the same exact plot we've all already seen in the original trilogy. Every dumb decision or pointless character they introduce or don't follow up on just looks worse when you remember that they're doing all of these dumb things just to tell a story that's already been told in the same franchise. It's maddening that no one seems to want to try and defend that. | ||
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ragz_gt
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
The Scene when rey starts awakening her force, and she goes deep into a well with the mirror, what was the mirror and the reflections symbolizing? it was such an odd scene only to amount to nothing after the mirror simply revealed to her, her reflection again. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On December 19 2017 10:58 ragz_gt wrote: I agree with 7, but I don't think 8 is nearly as much of a rehash. 7 was very predictable and gave a "reboot" vibe, 8 kind of went in a different direction. And yet the general plot of the movie is exactly the same as Empire Strikes Back, with bits of Return of the Jedi mixed in. + Show Spoiler + Opening battle, Empire Wins, Empire that has a big huge ship, proceeds to chase Rebels throughout the movie because they can't go to light speed, (although in this movie the chase is stupid since it's just a slow crawl across a single planet), meanwhile main character goes to receive Jedi training but is stuck due to the awkward or unwilling nature of the mentor, during training the main character discovers a dark place with the force and is tempted towards the dark side, meanwhile the Rebels hatch a desperate plan to escape from the Empire only to be betrayed and put in a worse position as a result, Jedi character finds their way back to the others and has a confrontation with the Sith bad guy which goes unexpectedly bad and Luke's lightsaber gets lost, (let's not forget that the actual confrontation was stolen DIRECTLY from Return of the Jedi's throne room) there is an ensuing desperate battle and the Rebels barely escape aboard the Millenium Falcon, bloodied and wounded and with a main character seemingly lost as a result, but don't worry he'll be back in the next movie. For all of the crap about how much this movie went in a different direction, and for all of the wasted plot points from Episode 7 that never got followed up on, this movie tells a completely unoriginal story, and not even unoriginal in a "Oh but Star Wars is just a collection of different classic stories like the Hero's Story", no unoriginal in that we have already seen this same exact story in another Star Wars movie. | ||
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ragz_gt
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If you want ignore all that then sure it would be a crappy movie, as would any movie. | ||
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