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On December 16 2017 11:29 LegalLord wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Yeah, I also can't agree with the criticism that the movie is derivative because it really wasn't. The problems I had I outlined already. Though the "Leia in space" scene is just completely and utterly indefensible and whoever made it needs to get smacked for it. I mean I liked the movie overall but holy fuck that scene was so very bad and cringey and the new generation's version of the sand speech in Ep 2.
That scene is only marginally dumber than + Show Spoiler +dropping bombs with gravity in space and counselor lady doesn't tell everyone their completely practical plan to stay alive for...no reason. And despite the fact that Finn and Rose aren't in on the practical plan from the get-go they decide to tell sketchy guy exact details for...no reason, since if their insane plan succeeds the practical one was pointless.
Or the scene where they haven't figured out how to use autopilot in the future so counselor lady has to sudoku. Or the lack of the scene where the Empire just calls in reinforcements to hem off the rebel ship's escape route. Or the Empire not just having multiple tracking ships, let alone not just sending off an FTL transport for something that can outrun the rebels. Or the rebels not using their own FTL transports that were stolen by Finn and Rose to accomplish anything. Or the bizarre animal rights subplot (admittedly might have been bolstered in my awareness by watching it with a vegan). Or or or or.
There's a word for most of this. It's + Show Spoiler +schlock. But I didn't come into this movie expecting to see anything else, frankly.
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On December 16 2017 08:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2017 08:05 TheEmulator wrote:A lot of people just have really high expectations tbh. I doubt it's truly bad, although I've seen more negative than positive opinions so far. With that being said only the diehards have seen it already and it's easy to piss them off  I'm going tomorrow night so I'll find out for myself. My expectations are kind of in the middle. this is the reason i dont check the walking dead thread,is just people complaining and complaining,i ask myself how can they dont get tired of that,u re basically watching a tvshow to feel bad and complain it over and over on the forums lol,and this thread is a bit of that,i think sometimes is better to avoid reviews forums etc.i loved the movie will watch it again tomorrow.
Dont worry people are no complaining about TWD anymore, they just dont watch it at all.
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According to screenrant and some other news outlets, JJ Abrams just pitched the story for Episode 9. However, the way I see it, isn't that something they should have planned when they decided to create a new trilogy? Wouldn't have cared if it was just a script though
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
I think it might make some sense to adapt it to the audience response while having a reasonable simple outline of the direction it's heading in. For example, in the prequels the utterly unserviceable response to Jar Jar required significant rework in the Ep 2/3 plots.
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On December 16 2017 14:57 LegalLord wrote:
I think it might make some sense to adapt it to the audience response while having a reasonable simple outline of the direction it's heading in. For example, in the prequels the utterly unserviceable response to Jar Jar required significant rework in the Ep 2/3 plots.
That's a good point
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the bad guys never learned from their mistakes about glaring weaknesses in giant death weapons
apparently most people can breathe in space now. or something.
phasma has the only set of armor worth a damn. and even then it's one damn. she will probably return, again.
luke is a fucking troll
snoke is a joke
was this the first ever use of hyperspace jumping into another object, or was it just an asspull? because what the fuck is the purpose of building a giant ship if you can just kamikaze it. also, you had two other ships.
leia not dying was kind of a surprise. they probably thought blowing her into space and 'surprise, she's not dead!' was super clever, but god it was cringey.
this is all not to say i disliked the movie, but there were a lot of "okay, really?" moments.
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
The hyperspace jump thing + Show Spoiler +was done before in Star Wars: Rebels in a similar way with a high-ranking commander sacrificing themselves to save the rest of the rebels. Kind of done for the same effect here albeit with much bigger craft. Actually I saw it as a good commentary on the weakness of having a target so big it can't be ignored, and then allowing a ship to catch you off guard like that. They should've seen it coming for sure.
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+ Show Spoiler +My biggest issue, and that which first made my eyebrows twinge was the shields on the rebel fleet holding until they ran out of fuel. Perhaps they also rehashed the originally established fact that fuel and deflector shield strength are separate things?.
Ultimately I feel the pacing was was off, and that despite the twists and turns there wasn't all that much that went on. The tone in a few paces was quite off-putting too. It wasn't brilliant but wasn't god awful.
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Ugh, sleeped on this movie... and now, I'm sad I'm watching it again today instead of TFA. So many things annoy me to no end this movie, including the people who try to defend it by saying that we are just haters and we can't be pleased. Yeah, I guess The Room is a great movie too, The Room fans are just hard to please. Sod off!
Anyway, the current no1 thing that makes me want to headbutt a wall until either the wall or my skull gives up:
+ Show Spoiler +Why did Rose save Finn at the end???????? Why?????? Someone hold me. Please. Just hold me before I go insane.
In Rogue One a couple dozen people sacrifice themselves for the advancement of the Rebel Alliance. Rogue One is a story which established the Rebels as "good terrorists". It showed that if you are vastly outnumbered, then you have to pull your weight and you only get one chance. The Empire could just blindly send Stardestroyers everywhere in the galaxy, while the Rebels had 1 or 2 plans at best and they were all make it or break it. And if you have to die for making it, then you will. Because that is what being a Rebel means.
So jump ahead a year to see how drunk and coked - I have no other explanation for this - Rian Johnson says "you know what? fuck it! The Rebel Alliance is not about achieving a greater good by all means necessary. The Rebel Alliance is about.... are you ready guys? Okay, here it comes: it's about genitals!!! Rose likes dicks, Finn likes vaginas, boom, that's what being a Rebel means! Damn, I'm Rian Johnson, give me another Star Wars trilogy, I have many other cool ideas!!!"
Fuck you Rian Johnson. In that scene Rose was a saboteur who wanted to save his "love" by sacrificing everyone else, even though if the others die they would be captured too, so even what does not make sense does not actually make sense, which is some next level stupidity.
But hey, here's an idea: How about Leia Force Something's Finn's vehicle out of the way, though as it would have been a bit against her character (as she likes stubborn bravery), she could've lifted Finn out of it at the last moment. I mean goddamn, if you make her fly in space, then a simple Force Pull is nothing extraordinary.
Ahhhhhhhhhh, I am so disappointed. I really liked Jar Jar so I assumed I can eat anything the franchise throws at me, and then I suffocated on a token Asian in the role of token love interest and token plot-diversion. Not the actress' fault though, I think she was fine, though I watched the dubbed version, so could only judge by her metacommunication.
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On December 16 2017 18:05 DSK wrote:+ Show Spoiler +My biggest issue, and that which first made my eyebrows twinge was the shields on the rebel fleet holding until they ran out of fuel. Perhaps they also rehashed the originally established fact that fuel and deflector shield strength are separate things?.
Ultimately I feel the pacing was was off, and that despite the twists and turns there wasn't all that much that went on. The tone in a few paces was quite off-putting too. It wasn't brilliant but wasn't god awful.
+ Show Spoiler +I believe the rational given was that since their ships were faster they could keep at a distance where the barrage was weakened enough to be dealt with by the shields.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
This was for me the worst star wars film of all time. I was so hyped and it was actually just awful from everywhere.
1. Rey's acting is just abysmal, i mean she cannot act, i guess there is a reason why Finn has actually had jobs and decent films outside of Star Wars and Rey only got in that other worst film of the year candidate in the Midnight Express thing.
2. Story is just plain awful.
+ Show Spoiler +Started ok i must say, but then as soon as we rekindled with Luke and Rey it went down hill so fast. She had literally 0 training which was the part im sure alot of people were looking forward too like me. Then all of a sudden Rey and Kylo Ren start communicating with the force between eachother, like they are master jedis who can feel eachother? That part of the story was so weak and poor. Whole film Kylo Ren is dubbed at being weak and then he literally 1 shots the ultimate villian in the film we thought? Finn the only good actor probably alongside Kylo Ren in fairness had a poor story too, it was good though because he can act but it felt like a waste of such a good character. Also poor Carrie Fischer got no send off at all, she just survived so in the next movie what is going to happen there?
3. Power levels as per se, one minute + Show Spoiler +Rey is trying to learn the force, next minute telepathetically communicating with Kylo Ren. Then Kylo Ren the whole film pretty much did nothing, Snoke was also so much dominate on him in the opening few scenes that within the hour of the film he somehow managed to block his mind and kill him lol madness. Power levels mad, i still don't know if Rey and Kylo Ren are at all strong or not or if just everyone is weak as hell xd
4. + Show Spoiler +What the hell was the Yoda part all about, why did they use a copy paste Yoda from 1970s lol surely CGI can improve him from looking like he came in from 1970s xd might as well just bring all the old characters back if you can't imagine anymore. I mean they were at the home of the Jedi where it all began, they could have imagined up a new super master that comes to Luke to advise him how to deal with Rey etc. Nope, better reuse a poor Yoda and make him look horrible!
TL;DR = Bad acting, Story makes no sense as usual, Scripting bad. Can't wait for Episode 10 so we can kill this arc and see a new story.
Oh, the birds from the island, was it me or the CGI on those actually god awful?
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Cascadia1753 Posts
On December 16 2017 20:41 Pandemona wrote:This was for me the worst star wars film of all time. I was so hyped and it was actually just awful from everywhere. 1. Rey's acting is just abysmal, i mean she cannot act, i guess there is a reason why Finn has actually had jobs and decent films outside of Star Wars and Rey only got in that other worst film of the year candidate in the Midnight Express thing. 2. Story is just plain awful. + Show Spoiler +Started ok i must say, but then as soon as we rekindled with Luke and Rey it went down hill so fast. She had literally 0 training which was the part im sure alot of people were looking forward too like me. Then all of a sudden Rey and Kylo Ren start communicating with the force between eachother, like they are master jedis who can feel eachother? That part of the story was so weak and poor. Whole film Kylo Ren is dubbed at being weak and then he literally 1 shots the ultimate villian in the film we thought? Finn the only good actor probably alongside Kylo Ren in fairness had a poor story too, it was good though because he can act but it felt like a waste of such a good character. Also poor Carrie Fischer got no send off at all, she just survived so in the next movie what is going to happen there? 3. Power levels as per se, one minute + Show Spoiler +Rey is trying to learn the force, next minute telepathetically communicating with Kylo Ren. Then Kylo Ren the whole film pretty much did nothing, Snoke was also so much dominate on him in the opening few scenes that within the hour of the film he somehow managed to block his mind and kill him lol madness. Power levels mad, i still don't know if Rey and Kylo Ren are at all strong or not or if just everyone is weak as hell xd 4. + Show Spoiler +What the hell was the Yoda part all about, why did they use a copy paste Yoda from 1970s lol surely CGI can improve him from looking like he came in from 1970s xd might as well just bring all the old characters back if you can't imagine anymore. I mean they were at the home of the Jedi where it all began, they could have imagined up a new super master that comes to Luke to advise him how to deal with Rey etc. Nope, better reuse a poor Yoda and make him look horrible! TL;DR = Bad acting, Story makes no sense as usual, Scripting bad. Can't wait for Episode 10 so we can kill this arc and see a new story. Oh, the birds from the island, was it me or the CGI on those actually god awful?
+ Show Spoiler +It was explained that the kylo + rey connection was done by snoke.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
On December 16 2017 20:49 Tephus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2017 20:41 Pandemona wrote:This was for me the worst star wars film of all time. I was so hyped and it was actually just awful from everywhere. 1. Rey's acting is just abysmal, i mean she cannot act, i guess there is a reason why Finn has actually had jobs and decent films outside of Star Wars and Rey only got in that other worst film of the year candidate in the Midnight Express thing. 2. Story is just plain awful. + Show Spoiler +Started ok i must say, but then as soon as we rekindled with Luke and Rey it went down hill so fast. She had literally 0 training which was the part im sure alot of people were looking forward too like me. Then all of a sudden Rey and Kylo Ren start communicating with the force between eachother, like they are master jedis who can feel eachother? That part of the story was so weak and poor. Whole film Kylo Ren is dubbed at being weak and then he literally 1 shots the ultimate villian in the film we thought? Finn the only good actor probably alongside Kylo Ren in fairness had a poor story too, it was good though because he can act but it felt like a waste of such a good character. Also poor Carrie Fischer got no send off at all, she just survived so in the next movie what is going to happen there? 3. Power levels as per se, one minute + Show Spoiler +Rey is trying to learn the force, next minute telepathetically communicating with Kylo Ren. Then Kylo Ren the whole film pretty much did nothing, Snoke was also so much dominate on him in the opening few scenes that within the hour of the film he somehow managed to block his mind and kill him lol madness. Power levels mad, i still don't know if Rey and Kylo Ren are at all strong or not or if just everyone is weak as hell xd 4. + Show Spoiler +What the hell was the Yoda part all about, why did they use a copy paste Yoda from 1970s lol surely CGI can improve him from looking like he came in from 1970s xd might as well just bring all the old characters back if you can't imagine anymore. I mean they were at the home of the Jedi where it all began, they could have imagined up a new super master that comes to Luke to advise him how to deal with Rey etc. Nope, better reuse a poor Yoda and make him look horrible! TL;DR = Bad acting, Story makes no sense as usual, Scripting bad. Can't wait for Episode 10 so we can kill this arc and see a new story. Oh, the birds from the island, was it me or the CGI on those actually god awful? + Show Spoiler +It was explained that the kylo + rey connection was done by snoke.
+ Show Spoiler +And after Snoke died they could still do it, but yeah he did that so well he can't even sense Kylo Ren about to destroy him. Still a flaw for me
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I can't get it...
+ Show Spoiler +How did Leya survived those things floating in open space, while Mace Windu only got thrown away in a window and we assume he's dead?
Consistency!
+ Show Spoiler +Luke got wasted, main characters are still "unknown", it's impossible to like or hate any key character without knowing backstory. Snoke was just a furniture these two episodes.
Fin
+ Show Spoiler +Him and those asian girl took a lot of screen time for no reason, I'm not a racists but it feels like such scenario is for educational reasons...Hey look, different skin colors and they still love each other! Make love not war! Love saved ya! Woo!
Like we never knew it's possible...Oh these social tendencies :D
At least visual were fine with small exceptions.
My hope is that Obi-Wan solo movie won't be such a mess, as for ep9 it would be hard to remain high expectations.
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+ Show Spoiler +I liked it. The only thing that really bugged me was how easily Snoke died. While watching I though "Yes, this is the villain we need. Powerful. Calm." And than he died like a scrub. So disappointing.
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On December 16 2017 20:41 Pandemona wrote:
This was for me the worst star wars film of all time. I was so hyped and it was actually just awful from everywhere.
1. Rey's acting is just abysmal, i mean she cannot act, i guess there is a reason why Finn has actually had jobs and decent films outside of Star Wars and Rey only got in that other worst film of the year candidate in the Midnight Express thing.
But it is as bad as Mark Hamill was in the OT, that's the real question
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On December 17 2017 00:14 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2017 20:41 Pandemona wrote:
This was for me the worst star wars film of all time. I was so hyped and it was actually just awful from everywhere.
1. Rey's acting is just abysmal, i mean she cannot act, i guess there is a reason why Finn has actually had jobs and decent films outside of Star Wars and Rey only got in that other worst film of the year candidate in the Midnight Express thing.
But it is as bad as Mark Hamill was in the OT, that's the real question
Rey´s is better, but the movie is not.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
I would say Hamil is ahead in fairness, he wasn't good in the old triology the worst actor in it a by a mile. But Rey is the worst in the new triology and in the last film was just robotic at best, awful acting and i don't normally notice. Just could not connect with her at all.
Also the reviews of this film are so wrong, please do not read any of the reviews out there from press people. Go find a forum if you are debating whether to pay for this film now or wait for stream/it's on regular TV!
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On December 16 2017 23:38 sashkata wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I liked it. The only thing that really bugged me was how easily Snoke died. While watching I though "Yes, this is the villain we need. Powerful. Calm." And than he died like a scrub. So disappointing.
+ Show Spoiler +I was half expecting the ginger guy to reveal that the Snoke form was just a puppet he was manipulating with the force all along, to be honest. Or all the other red guards to look just like Snoke and be his puppets (we never saw their faces). He's clearly powerful enough to drag a man along the ground from another room entirely, why not be manipulating a puppet body? Would have been a neat twist. But he seems deader than a doornail.
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
Rey / Ridley is actually a fairly mediocre character. Nothing specific I want to point to, but I just can’t really get behind her as the star of the show. Finn feels a little out of place in the universe and yet his character totally works because he is played by an actor that makes the best of it all. Poe is alright too, even though + Show Spoiler +the plot turned him into a bit of a bitch this time around.
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