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On March 26 2018 08:08 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
What was the episode where they were fighting in space and Whis said that if they continue fighting, they would destroy the universe? I think Beerus would probably have to push to 80-85% of his power to beat Goku, but he would still come out on top.
That was super early, when Goku just achieved Super Saiyan God. Since then he discovered Blue, how to use Kaio-ken during Blue, and then Ultra Instinct. I think he's within a shout of forcing Beerus to go all-out at this point.
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I would love if beerus and Goku fought again and Beerus is like "I brushed the dust off since the tournament against u6. Watch me now" and 1 shots Goku in whatever power he's able to muster now. They seem to allude to the fact that GoD battle condition varies over time because they'll stop training for milennia at a time.
Since belmod is close to retirement, whatever that means, it is entirely possible jiren being stronger is equivalent to beating your former body builder grandfather while he's on his deathbed.
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On March 26 2018 08:08 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
What was the episode where they were fighting in space and Whis said that if they continue fighting, they would destroy the universe? I think Beerus would probably have to push to 80-85% of his power to beat Goku, but he would still come out on top.
I think Beerus would have to go 100% against UI Goku. Beerus hasn't mastered UI and technically Goku hasn't either, but if Beerus fought TOP MUI Goku I think Goku would possibly win and Beerus would have to go all out.
Take UI out and Beerus wouldn't have to go full power.
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On March 26 2018 07:52 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2018 07:29 cLutZ wrote:On March 26 2018 06:52 NewSunshine wrote:On March 26 2018 06:33 Slaughter wrote:On March 26 2018 06:09 NewSunshine wrote:
They never qualified the way in which Jiren outclassed Belmod. We can only assume it was because they fought straight-up at some point, and Jiren overwhelmed him, much the same as he did with Goku. Between Jiren and Toppo, Goku and Vegeta have definitely been in the realm of GoD's for the ToP. And though Goku doesn't have a command over UI yet, he was definitely stronger than a GoD when he beat Jiren. Belmod's huge confidence in Jiren going in, and the gods' amazement at Goku's increase in power with UI suggests they were both definitely in the territory of the gods. Yea with Toppo busting out GoD energy and Vegeta beating him those 2 are probably on par with the less powerful GoD and Goku with UI and Jiren are stronger then those. Who knows how many though. Belmond could be the weakest. Well, if we can rely on the manga, Belmod is in the upper half in terms of battle strength, and Beerus is likely the strongest. There's still room for them to say Beerus could take the likes of Jiren, but so far they've done more to imply Jiren is flat out stronger than all the GoD's than anything else. Maybe we get something more concrete when they get to Jiren in the manga? I thought that fish guy was probably the strongest good You and I both know that whoever wins a battle royal or tournament isn't necessarily the strongest, because that's not how it works, but it's a classic convention in anime that whoever comes out on top is de facto the strongest. So when it came down to Beerus and Quitela at the end, that basically puts him in the top 2.
But the ToP is a direct counterexample to that, with 17 being the last fighter standing.
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On March 26 2018 10:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2018 07:52 NewSunshine wrote:On March 26 2018 07:29 cLutZ wrote:On March 26 2018 06:52 NewSunshine wrote:On March 26 2018 06:33 Slaughter wrote:On March 26 2018 06:09 NewSunshine wrote:
They never qualified the way in which Jiren outclassed Belmod. We can only assume it was because they fought straight-up at some point, and Jiren overwhelmed him, much the same as he did with Goku. Between Jiren and Toppo, Goku and Vegeta have definitely been in the realm of GoD's for the ToP. And though Goku doesn't have a command over UI yet, he was definitely stronger than a GoD when he beat Jiren. Belmod's huge confidence in Jiren going in, and the gods' amazement at Goku's increase in power with UI suggests they were both definitely in the territory of the gods. Yea with Toppo busting out GoD energy and Vegeta beating him those 2 are probably on par with the less powerful GoD and Goku with UI and Jiren are stronger then those. Who knows how many though. Belmond could be the weakest. Well, if we can rely on the manga, Belmod is in the upper half in terms of battle strength, and Beerus is likely the strongest. There's still room for them to say Beerus could take the likes of Jiren, but so far they've done more to imply Jiren is flat out stronger than all the GoD's than anything else. Maybe we get something more concrete when they get to Jiren in the manga? I thought that fish guy was probably the strongest good You and I both know that whoever wins a battle royal or tournament isn't necessarily the strongest, because that's not how it works, but it's a classic convention in anime that whoever comes out on top is de facto the strongest. So when it came down to Beerus and Quitela at the end, that basically puts him in the top 2. But the ToP is a direct counterexample to that, with 17 being the last fighter standing.
You have a point. And it's one of the reasons I like the ending as much as I do, soooo I dunno. A lot of times when an author wants to convey that someone is the best, a tournament or some such is a go to example, and I think that was pretty clearly the implication when the GoD's were told to fight each other. But I'd love to be wrong, if for no other reason than to have something more to chew on, since the introduction of the gods is what makes it Dragonball Super. At least for me.
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On March 26 2018 12:07 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2018 10:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 26 2018 07:52 NewSunshine wrote:On March 26 2018 07:29 cLutZ wrote:On March 26 2018 06:52 NewSunshine wrote:On March 26 2018 06:33 Slaughter wrote:On March 26 2018 06:09 NewSunshine wrote:
They never qualified the way in which Jiren outclassed Belmod. We can only assume it was because they fought straight-up at some point, and Jiren overwhelmed him, much the same as he did with Goku. Between Jiren and Toppo, Goku and Vegeta have definitely been in the realm of GoD's for the ToP. And though Goku doesn't have a command over UI yet, he was definitely stronger than a GoD when he beat Jiren. Belmod's huge confidence in Jiren going in, and the gods' amazement at Goku's increase in power with UI suggests they were both definitely in the territory of the gods. Yea with Toppo busting out GoD energy and Vegeta beating him those 2 are probably on par with the less powerful GoD and Goku with UI and Jiren are stronger then those. Who knows how many though. Belmond could be the weakest. Well, if we can rely on the manga, Belmod is in the upper half in terms of battle strength, and Beerus is likely the strongest. There's still room for them to say Beerus could take the likes of Jiren, but so far they've done more to imply Jiren is flat out stronger than all the GoD's than anything else. Maybe we get something more concrete when they get to Jiren in the manga? I thought that fish guy was probably the strongest good You and I both know that whoever wins a battle royal or tournament isn't necessarily the strongest, because that's not how it works, but it's a classic convention in anime that whoever comes out on top is de facto the strongest. So when it came down to Beerus and Quitela at the end, that basically puts him in the top 2. But the ToP is a direct counterexample to that, with 17 being the last fighter standing. You have a point. And it's one of the reasons I like the ending as much as I do, soooo I dunno. A lot of times when an author wants to convey that someone is the best, a tournament or some such is a go to example, and I think that was pretty clearly the implication when the GoD's were told to fight each other. But I'd love to be wrong, if for no other reason than to have something more to chew on, since the introduction of the gods is what makes it Dragonball Super. At least for me.
Still think they should have had the time run out. Would have been funny if Jiren got caught monologuing.
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Elentos
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On March 26 2018 07:52 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2018 07:29 cLutZ wrote:On March 26 2018 06:52 NewSunshine wrote:On March 26 2018 06:33 Slaughter wrote:On March 26 2018 06:09 NewSunshine wrote:
They never qualified the way in which Jiren outclassed Belmod. We can only assume it was because they fought straight-up at some point, and Jiren overwhelmed him, much the same as he did with Goku. Between Jiren and Toppo, Goku and Vegeta have definitely been in the realm of GoD's for the ToP. And though Goku doesn't have a command over UI yet, he was definitely stronger than a GoD when he beat Jiren. Belmod's huge confidence in Jiren going in, and the gods' amazement at Goku's increase in power with UI suggests they were both definitely in the territory of the gods. Yea with Toppo busting out GoD energy and Vegeta beating him those 2 are probably on par with the less powerful GoD and Goku with UI and Jiren are stronger then those. Who knows how many though. Belmond could be the weakest. Well, if we can rely on the manga, Belmod is in the upper half in terms of battle strength, and Beerus is likely the strongest. There's still room for them to say Beerus could take the likes of Jiren, but so far they've done more to imply Jiren is flat out stronger than all the GoD's than anything else. Maybe we get something more concrete when they get to Jiren in the manga? I thought that fish guy was probably the strongest good You and I both know that whoever wins a battle royal or tournament isn't necessarily the strongest, because that's not how it works, but it's a classic convention in anime that whoever comes out on top is de facto the strongest. So when it came down to Beerus and Quitela at the end, that basically puts him in the top 2.
That's kind of the point the manga was making with Belmod. Yeah, Quitela and Beerus might be more powerful in a straight-up honorable fight, but Belmod's strategy made him the only GoD to get to the end without any injury
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To notice that almost every GoD teamed up against beerus.
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Elentos
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On March 26 2018 15:50 TMG26 wrote:
To notice that almost every GoD teamed up against beerus.
Only at the start, Belmod made it turn into a free for all by attacking someone else.
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^ guessing this is the manga?
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I think this was about 3-4 chapters ago. The newest chapter hasn't been discussed here so far as I can tell.
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Gonnna be honest. Anyone who took conclusions from the God Battle from the manga is drunk. Just went through Super 1-34.
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I'd say the manga is better written than the anime and should be weighed more heavily in terms of canon for Super.
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On March 27 2018 01:54 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I'd say the manga is better written than the anime and should be weighed more heavily in terms of canon for Super.
Probably, but the manga has like 2 pages on the gods battle and it looks completely inconclusive
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The manga is the anime after the story has gotten past focus groups.
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On March 27 2018 02:07 andrewlt wrote:
The manga is the anime after the story has gotten past focus groups.
Depending on what you think of focus groups for fiction I feel like this could be a positive or a negative
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On March 27 2018 02:01 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2018 01:54 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I'd say the manga is better written than the anime and should be weighed more heavily in terms of canon for Super. Probably, but the manga has like 2 pages on the gods battle and it looks completely inconclusive
Maybe so, but we get a glimpse of each GoD and their fighting style plus specials. And we also get a small explanation for a lot of moves. So we can infer some things about each one.
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Elentos
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On March 27 2018 02:01 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2018 01:54 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I'd say the manga is better written than the anime and should be weighed more heavily in terms of canon for Super. Probably, but the manga has like 2 pages on the gods battle and it looks completely inconclusive
There's like 2 full chapters dedicated to it 
I mean it didn't show each knockout but some of those panels were pretty conclusive.
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You guys must be the best inferrers of all time.
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On March 27 2018 03:46 cLutZ wrote:
You guys must be the best inferrers of all time.
I don't like to brag but...
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