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On June 10 2013 08:33 WhiteDog wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Basically those two betrayed Eren, anybody would be pissed in this regard. Treason is one of the gravest offense you can do for soldiers - and it is heavily punished. It's also one of the reason "spies" are usually not part of the military but are linked to another organisation (the CIA in the US, the KGB in the soviet union).
The army built itself through the familly type link it create between its members - a lot of "orphan" or child coming from difficult families go into the army in real life. Eren is that type of guy, who came to the army after his mother died. He is pissed, he feel betrayed, and anybody in the army that would face such treason would be.
Eren is not is not just doing his "Eren", in this he is just the only character that feel real.
On the other side, those two giant and Ymir are blunt and empty. The just get out of a fight, where they betrayed Eran and what was supposed to be their familly and... they talk about "things" without never explaining a shit (what's the point ? Ho that guy is the real bad guy, who is that guy ? That guy is... beat me"), one of the two bad guy start cracking up because ho my god he forgot that he is a bad guy, and goes from one "personality" to one other after his mate says "you are a warrior, not a soldier"... Please. You cannot describe such break down process through one or two pannel, with no in between.
I don't agree at all with Ymir, Reiner or Bertholdt being empty.
They didn't just betray Eren, they did it long ago, probably years. It's understandable they aren't as expressive as Eren since they made their minds since then. And even with that, you can tell Reiner isn't fully accepting what he had done, he's the one close from breaking down and joining the "good guys", if we can call them like that (not really but he's unstable for sure, he knows he did the right thing, but he also knows it was horrible to do it. He's just created sort of a persona to take the fact he's responsible for many deaths).
For Ymir, she knows she's dispensable, for reasons we don't know yet, and she has to play their game cleverly. Hot-headed like Eren? She'll be dump in a no man's land. I'm sort of joking when I say Eren is doing his Eren. That's no wonder why he's just an average soldier and not an elite one, he's mentally not as focused as a lot of other soldiers. I'm fine with that, it's just from time to time, I just find he yells a little bit too much. :p
Us readers are closer from Ymir than Eren, in the fact we can understand everything - kind of an overstatement but you know what I mean - going on by reading what's implied like she does. Why does anyone need to explain shit to Eren since he's the only one lost during the chat? Shingeki often doesn't give you the answers that easily. If you don't want to think about what's going on, you can totally wait, they'll explain it later. But if so many theories in the past were right, it's because every empty chapters aren't as empty as they seems to be if one tries to extract datas from it.
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But if so many theories in the past were right, it's because every empty chapters aren't as empty as they seems to be if one tries to extract datas from it.
Pretty much. People just want to be told directly through direct revelation, rather than trying to figure things out :p
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I was introduced to this series through the anime first, but im so tempted to start reading the manga to see whats ahead(dear god i hate waiting for series like these, its like the uncertainty of hotd season 2 T.T). How closely did the anime follow the manga for anyone who had a bit of taste for both?
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On June 13 2013 01:34 FromShouri wrote:
I was introduced to this series through the anime first, but im so tempted to start reading the manga to see whats ahead(dear god i hate waiting for series like these, its like the uncertainty of hotd season 2 T.T). How closely did the anime follow the manga for anyone who had a bit of taste for both?
It followed it pretty damned closely.
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On June 12 2013 21:42 Lysteria wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 08:33 WhiteDog wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Basically those two betrayed Eren, anybody would be pissed in this regard. Treason is one of the gravest offense you can do for soldiers - and it is heavily punished. It's also one of the reason "spies" are usually not part of the military but are linked to another organisation (the CIA in the US, the KGB in the soviet union).
The army built itself through the familly type link it create between its members - a lot of "orphan" or child coming from difficult families go into the army in real life. Eren is that type of guy, who came to the army after his mother died. He is pissed, he feel betrayed, and anybody in the army that would face such treason would be.
Eren is not is not just doing his "Eren", in this he is just the only character that feel real.
On the other side, those two giant and Ymir are blunt and empty. The just get out of a fight, where they betrayed Eran and what was supposed to be their familly and... they talk about "things" without never explaining a shit (what's the point ? Ho that guy is the real bad guy, who is that guy ? That guy is... beat me"), one of the two bad guy start cracking up because ho my god he forgot that he is a bad guy, and goes from one "personality" to one other after his mate says "you are a warrior, not a soldier"... Please. You cannot describe such break down process through one or two pannel, with no in between. I don't agree at all with Ymir, Reiner or Bertholdt being empty. They didn't just betray Eren, they did it long ago, probably years. It's understandable they aren't as expressive as Eren since they made their minds since then. And even with that, you can tell Reiner isn't fully accepting what he had done, he's the one close from breaking down and joining the "good guys", if we can call them like that (not really but he's unstable for sure, he knows he did the right thing, but he also knows it was horrible to do it. He's just created sort of a persona to take the fact he's responsible for many deaths). For Ymir, she knows she's dispensable, for reasons we don't know yet, and she has to play their game cleverly. Hot-headed like Eren? She'll be dump in a no man's land. I'm sort of joking when I say Eren is doing his Eren. That's no wonder why he's just an average soldier and not an elite one, he's mentally not as focused as a lot of other soldiers. I'm fine with that, it's just from time to time, I just find he yells a little bit too much. :p Us readers are closer from Ymir than Eren, in the fact we can understand everything - kind of an overstatement but you know what I mean - going on by reading what's implied like she does. Why does anyone need to explain shit to Eren since he's the only one lost during the chat? Shingeki often doesn't give you the answers that easily. If you don't want to think about what's going on, you can totally wait, they'll explain it later. But if so many theories in the past were right, it's because every empty chapters aren't as empty as they seems to be if one tries to extract datas from it.
We are not closer to Ymir at all, we don't know shit about most of the giant, what are they, what they do, why some of them are stuck in the wall. We know nothing, only theory.
That's my problem about this chapter, Ymir and the two others, they talk and it do nothing.
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On June 13 2013 01:35 Maxie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 01:34 FromShouri wrote:
I was introduced to this series through the anime first, but im so tempted to start reading the manga to see whats ahead(dear god i hate waiting for series like these, its like the uncertainty of hotd season 2 T.T). How closely did the anime follow the manga for anyone who had a bit of taste for both? It followed it pretty damned closely.
There are a few differences though, chronological order is different, plus the anime missed some information i don't know why (eg Hannes reason for being in debt to the Jaegars)
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Wait, the only clue for the time travel theory is the title of chapter 1 'to you, in 2000 years'? Pretty weak and convoluted imo. I agree with the 'virus engineered weapon gone wrong' part but that's it.
Anyway if you like this manga, you should check out Terra Formas. Mars terraforming gone wrong 
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On June 13 2013 02:18 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 21:42 Lysteria wrote:On June 10 2013 08:33 WhiteDog wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Basically those two betrayed Eren, anybody would be pissed in this regard. Treason is one of the gravest offense you can do for soldiers - and it is heavily punished. It's also one of the reason "spies" are usually not part of the military but are linked to another organisation (the CIA in the US, the KGB in the soviet union).
The army built itself through the familly type link it create between its members - a lot of "orphan" or child coming from difficult families go into the army in real life. Eren is that type of guy, who came to the army after his mother died. He is pissed, he feel betrayed, and anybody in the army that would face such treason would be.
Eren is not is not just doing his "Eren", in this he is just the only character that feel real.
On the other side, those two giant and Ymir are blunt and empty. The just get out of a fight, where they betrayed Eran and what was supposed to be their familly and... they talk about "things" without never explaining a shit (what's the point ? Ho that guy is the real bad guy, who is that guy ? That guy is... beat me"), one of the two bad guy start cracking up because ho my god he forgot that he is a bad guy, and goes from one "personality" to one other after his mate says "you are a warrior, not a soldier"... Please. You cannot describe such break down process through one or two pannel, with no in between. I don't agree at all with Ymir, Reiner or Bertholdt being empty. They didn't just betray Eren, they did it long ago, probably years. It's understandable they aren't as expressive as Eren since they made their minds since then. And even with that, you can tell Reiner isn't fully accepting what he had done, he's the one close from breaking down and joining the "good guys", if we can call them like that (not really but he's unstable for sure, he knows he did the right thing, but he also knows it was horrible to do it. He's just created sort of a persona to take the fact he's responsible for many deaths). For Ymir, she knows she's dispensable, for reasons we don't know yet, and she has to play their game cleverly. Hot-headed like Eren? She'll be dump in a no man's land. I'm sort of joking when I say Eren is doing his Eren. That's no wonder why he's just an average soldier and not an elite one, he's mentally not as focused as a lot of other soldiers. I'm fine with that, it's just from time to time, I just find he yells a little bit too much. :p Us readers are closer from Ymir than Eren, in the fact we can understand everything - kind of an overstatement but you know what I mean - going on by reading what's implied like she does. Why does anyone need to explain shit to Eren since he's the only one lost during the chat? Shingeki often doesn't give you the answers that easily. If you don't want to think about what's going on, you can totally wait, they'll explain it later. But if so many theories in the past were right, it's because every empty chapters aren't as empty as they seems to be if one tries to extract datas from it. We are not closer to Ymir at all, we don't know shit about most of the giant, what are they, what they do, why some of them are stuck in the wall. We know nothing, only theory. That's my problem about this chapter, Ymir and the two others, they talk and it do nothing.
It's a very subtle chapter.
I don't think the mangaka is going to give away any of that information, not for a while, because once we know most of these things, the series should be over by then since there's no tension at that point.
That's my two cents.
On June 13 2013 16:00 mavignon wrote:Wait, the only clue for the time travel theory is the title of chapter 1 'to you, in 2000 years'? Pretty weak and convoluted imo. I agree with the 'virus engineered weapon gone wrong' part but that's it. Anyway if you like this manga, you should check out Terra Formas. Mars terraforming gone wrong
There's a bit more circumstantial evidence (which have other interpretations). Here's two things I think would be a lot cooler if it was a time loop
1) Eren saying " When" the wall breaks down, as opposed to "If", in chapter 1. If loop theory was true, then Eren doesnt regain any of his memories, but he has a lot of "residual memories" that makes him a lot more dedicated and extremely radical.
2) The priest, immediately after having his entire cathedral crushed and his followers getting killed, manages to run all the way to the end of the wall just in time to tell them to close up the Titans. This way, the priest doesn't have to know anything, but could just be involved in trying to reach a more optimal future (which is why he remains silent)
Eren and the Priest so far are the two most radical individuals in the series, and if loop theory was true, it'd explain why.
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I have a simpler theory:
The kingdom created the titans 100 years ago as a weapon, the 'under control' form like Annie, Ryner and Bertholdt use. Somehow something went wrong, a virus, a genetic modification or anything caused the current mindless titan outbreak as we know it, that wiped out most of humanity. The kingdom, very much aware of the ultimate crisis happening, sacrificed many titans soldiers to build in record time the gigantic walls. Then the truth was covered up by the king at the time because of the shame being responsible of the end of humanity. It was not necessarily a bad lie, it was important that the people trust the authority in times of trouble. The same holds true today, hence the reluctance of the priest to tell the truth. If people were to know the truth, a civil war could happen and humanity would terminate itself.
Eren's father is a doctor, conveniently. He is obviously alive working somewhere on a cure, hidden from the military police.
Annie, Ryner and Bertholdt were brainwashed and manipulated by some people opposing the current government. Just politics, nothing fancy. Some group of people have kept the military technique of becoming a titan from 100 years ago. Ymer is from such a group, but her motive is unclear. We have to wait that the Christa / Ymer plotline progress to know more.
The most interesting part imo is the talking beast titan. I see two possibilities: either he is from a group of titans who have evolved differently from 100 years ago. His tribe has learned the human language by capturing men / women from the scout legion in the past. Or he is the result of a failed cure by Dr. Jaeger. Anyway he does not seem to have an agenda, he is wrecking havoc for fun... for now.
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I think both the time loop theory and the titans as biological weapons gone wrong theory are plausible. My main concern with the time loop theory is that if it's indeed a loop then how will Eren even put an end to these titans if he's going to get killed? After all, he doesn't remember how he was killed the first time due to his memory being fuzzy. It would explain the first chapter though, especially the first panel of Mikasa telling him, "see you later" as well as Eren saying that the titans will break the wall.
Two things I also noticed in the first chapter is that Mikasa says, "this again" as if she is aware of the Titans breaking into town before but unless I'm mistaken, that hasn't happened in her lifetime. Likewise, I found it interesting that Armin was just telling Eren that it's not safe to go outside and that they could break in today and right after he said that, it happened. Is it possible that Armin and Mikasa somehow are involved in the time loop theory? It's possible that Mikasa was just talking about losing her family the first time and now she loses her foster mom, etc... and it's possible Armin was just talking normally and it just happened lol.
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I would like to thank the person who made this thread for recommending me this very good manga.I have finished reading all the capters and an really hooked on it.Thanks guys.Would not have discovered it without you 
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On June 13 2013 01:34 FromShouri wrote:
I was introduced to this series through the anime first, but im so tempted to start reading the manga to see whats ahead(dear god i hate waiting for series like these, its like the uncertainty of hotd season 2 T.T). How closely did the anime follow the manga for anyone who had a bit of taste for both?
less gore in the anime.You don't see titans eating humans live.Less canibalism :/
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On June 14 2013 06:32 BigFan wrote:
I think both the time loop theory and the titans as biological weapons gone wrong theory are plausible. My main concern with the time loop theory is that if it's indeed a loop then how will Eren even put an end to these titans if he's going to get killed? After all, he doesn't remember how he was killed the first time due to his memory being fuzzy. It would explain the first chapter though, especially the first panel of Mikasa telling him, "see you later" as well as Eren saying that the titans will break the wall.
Two things I also noticed in the first chapter is that Mikasa says, "this again" as if she is aware of the Titans breaking into town before but unless I'm mistaken, that hasn't happened in her lifetime. Likewise, I found it interesting that Armin was just telling Eren that it's not safe to go outside and that they could break in today and right after he said that, it happened. Is it possible that Armin and Mikasa somehow are involved in the time loop theory? It's possible that Mikasa was just talking about losing her family the first time and now she loses her foster mom, etc... and it's possible Armin was just talking normally and it just happened lol.
How in the world do you remember all those details?I only remeber the main storyline+titans eating people
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On June 13 2013 03:54 FractalsOnFire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 01:35 Maxie wrote:On June 13 2013 01:34 FromShouri wrote:
I was introduced to this series through the anime first, but im so tempted to start reading the manga to see whats ahead(dear god i hate waiting for series like these, its like the uncertainty of hotd season 2 T.T). How closely did the anime follow the manga for anyone who had a bit of taste for both? It followed it pretty damned closely. There are a few differences though, chronological order is different, plus the anime missed some information i don't know why (eg Hannes reason for being in debt to the Jaegars)
? Unless i missed something that comes up in like the first five minutes when eren is scolding him for being drunk on the job. He explained that the plague came through and many died but Hannes wife was sick with the plague as well. Then Dr. Jaeger came with medicine and saved his wife and the rest of the townsfolk.
On June 14 2013 06:32 BigFan wrote:
Two things I also noticed in the first chapter is that Mikasa says, "this again" as if she is aware of the Titans breaking into town before but unless I'm mistaken, that hasn't happened in her lifetime. Likewise, I found it interesting that Armin was just telling Eren that it's not safe to go outside and that they could break in today and right after he said that, it happened. Is it possible that Armin and Mikasa somehow are involved in the time loop theory? It's possible that Mikasa was just talking about losing her family the first time and now she loses her foster mom, etc... and it's possible Armin was just talking normally and it just happened lol.
The first chapter bit where she goes "ugh this seems familiar" in the anime flashes a scene of her parents on top, she also in the first two episodes spends numerous time talking about having to start a new family over. I believe the bit about "this again" is more to losing her new adoptive parents and how the wound from losing her biological ones hadn't healed completely yet. So yes, your last sentence is correct.
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what time does this show begin on cartoon network?
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On June 14 2013 06:45 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 06:32 BigFan wrote:
I think both the time loop theory and the titans as biological weapons gone wrong theory are plausible. My main concern with the time loop theory is that if it's indeed a loop then how will Eren even put an end to these titans if he's going to get killed? After all, he doesn't remember how he was killed the first time due to his memory being fuzzy. It would explain the first chapter though, especially the first panel of Mikasa telling him, "see you later" as well as Eren saying that the titans will break the wall.
Two things I also noticed in the first chapter is that Mikasa says, "this again" as if she is aware of the Titans breaking into town before but unless I'm mistaken, that hasn't happened in her lifetime. Likewise, I found it interesting that Armin was just telling Eren that it's not safe to go outside and that they could break in today and right after he said that, it happened. Is it possible that Armin and Mikasa somehow are involved in the time loop theory? It's possible that Mikasa was just talking about losing her family the first time and now she loses her foster mom, etc... and it's possible Armin was just talking normally and it just happened lol. How in the world do you remember all those details?I only remeber the main storyline+titans eating people
well, I went back and re-read the first 2 chapters again to see if I can catch any hints towards the time loop theory and these are the ones I found lol. I also remember the main storyline+titans eating people and a bit on the side ^^
On June 14 2013 06:52 FromShouri wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 03:54 FractalsOnFire wrote:On June 13 2013 01:35 Maxie wrote:On June 13 2013 01:34 FromShouri wrote:
I was introduced to this series through the anime first, but im so tempted to start reading the manga to see whats ahead(dear god i hate waiting for series like these, its like the uncertainty of hotd season 2 T.T). How closely did the anime follow the manga for anyone who had a bit of taste for both? It followed it pretty damned closely. There are a few differences though, chronological order is different, plus the anime missed some information i don't know why (eg Hannes reason for being in debt to the Jaegars) ? Unless i missed something that comes up in like the first five minutes when eren is scolding him for being drunk on the job. He explained that the plague came through and many died but Hannes wife was sick with the plague as well. Then Dr. Jaeger came with medicine and saved his wife and the rest of the townsfolk. Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 06:32 BigFan wrote:
Two things I also noticed in the first chapter is that Mikasa says, "this again" as if she is aware of the Titans breaking into town before but unless I'm mistaken, that hasn't happened in her lifetime. Likewise, I found it interesting that Armin was just telling Eren that it's not safe to go outside and that they could break in today and right after he said that, it happened. Is it possible that Armin and Mikasa somehow are involved in the time loop theory? It's possible that Mikasa was just talking about losing her family the first time and now she loses her foster mom, etc... and it's possible Armin was just talking normally and it just happened lol. The first chapter bit where she goes "ugh this seems familiar" in the anime flashes a scene of her parents on top, she also in the first two episodes spends numerous time talking about having to start a new family over. I believe the bit about "this again" is more to losing her new adoptive parents and how the wound from losing her biological ones hadn't healed completely yet. So yes, your last sentence is correct.
ya, I figured as much but in the manga, there wasn't a specific reference and I'm a bit wary of taking everything the anime says as canon even though that might be the likely explanation. Just imagine the time loop theory with both Eren and Mikasa LOL
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On June 14 2013 06:57 needcomputer wrote:
what time does this show begin on cartoon network?
Haha lol good one.
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On June 14 2013 06:52 FromShouri wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 03:54 FractalsOnFire wrote:On June 13 2013 01:35 Maxie wrote:On June 13 2013 01:34 FromShouri wrote:
I was introduced to this series through the anime first, but im so tempted to start reading the manga to see whats ahead(dear god i hate waiting for series like these, its like the uncertainty of hotd season 2 T.T). How closely did the anime follow the manga for anyone who had a bit of taste for both? It followed it pretty damned closely. There are a few differences though, chronological order is different, plus the anime missed some information i don't know why (eg Hannes reason for being in debt to the Jaegars) ? Unless i missed something that comes up in like the first five minutes when eren is scolding him for being drunk on the job. He explained that the plague came through and many died but Hannes wife was sick with the plague as well. Then Dr. Jaeger came with medicine and saved his wife and the rest of the townsfolk.
I re-watched that section, there's a mention of the plague but no mention of his wife. Plus that piece of information was supposed to be after they graduated.
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On June 13 2013 02:18 WhiteDog wrote:
We are not closer to Ymir at all, we don't know shit about most of the giant, what are they, what they do, why some of them are stuck in the wall. We know nothing, only theory.
And that's a relief, if that was the case, you could expect the end before chapter 60. :p
I personally learnt a lot reading this chapter.
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On June 14 2013 18:15 FractalsOnFire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 06:52 FromShouri wrote:On June 13 2013 03:54 FractalsOnFire wrote:On June 13 2013 01:35 Maxie wrote:On June 13 2013 01:34 FromShouri wrote:
I was introduced to this series through the anime first, but im so tempted to start reading the manga to see whats ahead(dear god i hate waiting for series like these, its like the uncertainty of hotd season 2 T.T). How closely did the anime follow the manga for anyone who had a bit of taste for both? It followed it pretty damned closely. There are a few differences though, chronological order is different, plus the anime missed some information i don't know why (eg Hannes reason for being in debt to the Jaegars) ? Unless i missed something that comes up in like the first five minutes when eren is scolding him for being drunk on the job. He explained that the plague came through and many died but Hannes wife was sick with the plague as well. Then Dr. Jaeger came with medicine and saved his wife and the rest of the townsfolk. I re-watched that section, there's a mention of the plague but no mention of his wife. Plus that piece of information was supposed to be after they graduated.
What sub did you watch? Translations vary from netflix to crunchyroll to another anime site I tried that Im blanking on.
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