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B.I.G.
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ThomasjServo
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On December 02 2015 23:39 B.I.G. wrote: You can have only one apprentice but noone ever said anything about candidate-apprentices. Both Dookoo and Maul managed to claw their way through the grueling reality show called "So you wanna be a Sith?" To the final stages. It was such a bitter surprise that Anakin just blundered his way into the apprentice position after both Maul and Dookoo were eliminated for the other candidates. It was a huge upset. Simon Cowell was a judge on that too. | ||
KwarK
United States43262 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [same video but for ep1] + | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 03 2015 03:35 Sbrubbles wrote: I've always wondered how "literal" the rule of two is meant to be. In my mind, it means a sith master can only have one apprentice, but that wouldn't stop the apprentice from having his own apprentice (in turn being his "master"). Its not a very fleshed out system and is really dumb if you get down to the mechanics of it. Its one of those lines in a movie "Always two, one master, one student" so you can say "But they didn't get the real big bad this movie, WHO IS THE EVIL ONE!" What I am saying is, Sith are stupid. People falling to the darkside just because power corrupts is way more interesting than some weird doctrine of "the evil force users that happen to murder people who fail." | ||
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LegalLord
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 03 2015 05:29 LegalLord wrote: The Sith is only one of multiple organizations that use the dark side. Starwars is at it best when there are no organizations of force users and its just people trying to draw wisdom from long dead traditions. When its just a kid and an old dude in a swamp hiding out until he dies. And then a kid trying to save his father from his shitty boss who also uses the darkside. Peak starwars IMO is when the lore doesn't matter, the characters are what is clutch. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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A good lore gives meaning and context to the actions of the loved characters. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17444 Posts
Behold! http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Harmys-STAR-WARS-Despecialized-Edition-HD-V25-MKV-IS-OUT-NOW/id/12713 | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On December 03 2015 05:32 Plansix wrote: Starwars is at it best when there are no organizations of force users and its just people trying to draw wisdom from long dead traditions. When its just a kid and an old dude in a swamp hiding out until he dies. And then a kid trying to save his father from his shitty boss who also uses the darkside. Peak starwars IMO is when the lore doesn't matter, the characters are what is clutch. I disagree. The world-building of both the PT and the OT was an interesting part of it all that helped add meaning to many otherwise trivial events throughout both movies. For example, Boba Fett is a lot more interesting with some backstory than just as a guy in a suit of space armor. | ||
flamewheel
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NukeD
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Falling
Canada11372 Posts
On December 03 2015 09:20 LegalLord wrote: I don't get why Jar Jar gets so much hate; he wasn't even that bad or significant. If anything, Anakin was the worst part of all three prequel movies. I disagree. The world-building of both the PT and the OT was an interesting part of it all that helped add meaning to many otherwise trivial events throughout both movies. For example, Boba Fett is a lot more interesting with some backstory than just as a guy in a suit of space armor. I think there are actually a lot of mis-steps with the prequel world-building. If you look at the sort of world and history the OT projects, it's really quite different than what we get in the prequels. Some problems in the prequels are embedded in the original, granted- the whole mess of where to hide children of Skywalker is the fault of the OT, not the prequels. I've been meaning to do a big blog post on a thought experiment of what sort of history the OT suggests... but I've been rather busy. I don't think much was gained by learning that Boba was a kid once. I think some characters benefit from greater backstories (the fall of Anakin), but a large part of the intrigue of the man behind the mask (Boba) is... that he is behind the mask. He is mysterious and we WANT to know... but those characters actual backstory are rarely as good as the theoretical imagined one... or at least if you go all the way back to childhood. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On December 03 2015 16:21 NukeD wrote: The prequels are like a catchy pop song. You might enjoy it on first listening and after several repeats, but after a while, the more you listen the more shallow and one dimensional you realize the song is and that it just serves as short term amusement with nothing to come back to. Not for me, I did not enjoy them the first time the slightest. Atually I have not watched any of the prequel movies in full length because it was just too boring. | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On December 03 2015 16:58 Redox wrote: Not for me, I did not enjoy them the first time the slightest. Atually I have not watched any of the prequel movies in full length because it was just too boring. I have to admit to my shame that I have somewhat enjoyed Phantom Menace and I think this was only because I was so young at the time. I have not enjoyed the other two at all however. Today I consider all three of them as trash. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On December 03 2015 05:59 The_Red_Viper wrote: Characters are always what is most important for good storytelling. That doesn't mean that lore isn't important too. A good lore gives meaning and context to the actions of the loved characters. The issue is that bad Sci-Fi/Fantasy tries to lean on the lore to carry bad stories. On December 03 2015 16:42 Falling wrote: I think there are actually a lot of mis-steps with the prequel world-building. If you look at the sort of world and history the OT projects, it's really quite different than what we get in the prequels. Some problems in the prequels are embedded in the original, granted- the whole mess of where to hide children of Skywalker is the fault of the OT, not the prequels. I've been meaning to do a big blog post on a thought experiment of what sort of history the OT suggests... but I've been rather busy. I don't think much was gained by learning that Boba was a kid once. I think some characters benefit from greater backstories (the fall of Anakin), but a large part of the intrigue of the man behind the mask (Boba) is... that he is behind the mask. He is mysterious and we WANT to know... but those characters actual backstory are rarely as good as the theoretical imagined one... or at least if you go all the way back to childhood. I've often been intrigued by the idea of taking seriously the assumed prequel lore before they actually came out. A few of the more obvious things: -Owen Lars is Obi-Wan's brother, not Anakin's literal uncle. He knows Anakin, and is for some reason a really good warrior. -Anakin is definitely not from Tatooine, but Obi-Wan might be. (but still probably isn't) -The Clone Wars (note the plural) are fought against the Mandalorians and their clone armies... you name a war after your enemy, not your own army. Also, long-running conflict as assumed in the plural. -Leia grows up with her mother. Her mother dies when she is "young", but old enough to remember her being "sad." All this suggests not that her mom dies right off, but rather that she is a member of the royal house of Alderaan and lingers for a time before dying, possibly to Vader, more likely to grief. -The whole human/non-human thing. The Empire is viciously racist/sexist, and doubtless used human supremacy as a justification during their rise to power. This probably ties into the Mandalorian thing. -Obi-Wan and Anakin are supposed to be friends. Hear the emotion in Ep IV's Obi-Wan's voice when he says "and a good friend"? It's a totally different voice than everything else's pretty casual telling. There's real hurt there. Why was this not more of a thing in the prequels? It should have been an epic war story bromance gone wrong over the question of how far to go in the war. -On that note, the wars were supposed to lead into the Empire. In the movie, this is done by centralization. Which might well be part of it. But the real difference between the Empire and Republic is about brutality and military rule. At some point military governors make senators redundant (as mentioned in EpIV). And the brutality... the force for the sake of creating fear of force. That was supposed to be key. I'd actually make Tarkin one of the main characters, who gets changed by the war in his own way. -On the military question, there needs to be an origin story for the Imperial Navy. It appears to have a large and deep officer corps of non-clones, and it is repeatedly assumed in Han and Luke's stories to be the way one "gets ahead" in Imperial society. -Yoda is Obi-Wan's master. "The Jedi who instructed me" and all that. Honestly, the backstory to KotOR is closer to the implied origin of the Empire than the actual prequels were. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
I think of the PT most of all as movies with good potential but a whole lot of wasted opportunity. Maybe Star Wars is a movie that's meant to be directed by a different person each time, which might encourage them not to pull a Lucas and make terrible ideas that they won't be called out on. While it ended up being primarily about Anakin, I always felt that the prequels should have had Obi-Wan as the central character. He has a very good story to tell when he's around to tell it: "I thought I could instruct him as well as Yoda. I was wrong." On December 03 2015 16:42 Falling wrote: I don't think much was gained by learning that Boba was a kid once. I think some characters benefit from greater backstories (the fall of Anakin), but a large part of the intrigue of the man behind the mask (Boba) is... that he is behind the mask. He is mysterious and we WANT to know... but those characters actual backstory are rarely as good as the theoretical imagined one... or at least if you go all the way back to childhood. I meant more of the Mandalore backstory. The AotC random Jango/Boba Fett portion was not very meaningful, with the one redeeming quality being the sound effect for the seismic charges. Anakin's backstory made him a lesser character, at least as it was told in the movies. He came off as a whiny prick who was easily fooled by the Emperor, while some of the other content painted him more as a talented kind-hearted person who wasn't really able to control his darker impulses (and Obi-Wan considers this his failure to teach). | ||
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Rookie6
Brazil583 Posts
But man, I actually watched EP III these days, and it has been a few years that I hadn´t watched it, and I was shocked by the dialogue. "It´s over Anakin, I have the high ground!".............. Are you kidding me? Basically, what I like about the PT: - Obi-Wan is actually incredible well done and acted. - Qui-Gon is also an interesting character. - Their fight against Darth Maul is kinda cool. - The soundtrack. Most people talk about the fights when defending the PT, but I actually thought they are mostly pretty bad and it is actually one of the things I think the OT is totally superior. They make soooo much unnecessary moves and spins and jumps and more spins.... and you never have the tension that something is at stake. This is something I am interested in knowing, what you guys think is the best duel in Star Wars? Personally, Luke vs Vader in the Return of the Jedi is arguably my favourite Star Wars moment. | ||
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Yoav
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