Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Page 93

On November 22 2015 05:24 Blackfeather wrote:

Not sure, the theory is pretty good. I could doubt the entire mind control tricks, but the fighting stances? On an entirely animated cgi character? The immense agility at times but the obvious goofyness at other times? I mean he does this weird superhuman jump, dodges a laser and catches the droid that is sneeking up behind him in the midst of a battlefield, but steps into poo and stuns his tongue with something he's been warned about a few moments earlier? The lack of common sense that is so extreme that whenever someone tells him not to do something, he guaranteed does it 5 seconds later and escapes disaster by a hairsbreadth each time?

Also let's be honest, fanfic would have been something to write after the movie came out and got a lot of hate. Not 16 years later when everyone has calmed down, has mostly forgotten their disappointment and is semi-hyped for the sequel of the old series. Say "Jar Jar" to a fan of the old series and you can be sure that his blood pressure is hitting unhealthy values within seconds.

"JAR JAR : Mesa Ja Ja Binksss... PADME : I'm Padme, I attend Her Highness,
You're a Gungan, aren't you? (Jar Jar nods) How did you end up here with
us?
JAR JAR : Me no know...mesa day starten pitty okeyday witda brisky morning
munchen. Den boom....getten berry skeered, un grabbed dat Jedi, and before
mesa knowen it...pow! Mesa here. (he shrugs)...getten berry berry skeered."

On November 23 2015 23:04 ThomasjServo wrote:



Or like how many different interpretations of Things Fall Apart can there really be?

On November 23 2015 13:29 Falling wrote:

I haven't watched the Drunken Master specifically, but I have watched a number of wushu/ kung fu films- Ip Man and Jet Li variety. It strikes me that while that the unassuming master of martial arts theory would have a moment where he drops the mask to drop either some knowledge bombs (Episode I Yoda style) or dark side seduction (Sidious style). Particularly once people are alone and vulnerable, we ought to see some of that hidden wisdom or scheming come forth... but when Padme is feeling out of sorts, we get:

To be a good twist, there actually needs to be proper set up so that things make sense in retrospect. Simply pulling the rug out from under your feet, while surprising, is a very unsatisfying twist

And we don't even get the scheming come out with the 'wesa got grand army' scene. It's a boast that Padme develops into her own scheme, but it seems to me that the supposed 'Darth' Jar Jar is working cross purposes with Sidious. Particularly as all the Sidious scenes have him wanting to wipe out the queen and the resistance once she returns.

Furthermore, all those hand signals supposedly meaning Jedi mind tricks more remind of all those Illuminati conspiracy theorists that interpret every single hand signal as some satanic code and find triangles absolutely everywhere, including the curl shape of one's bangs.

He matches much more the comic bumbling peasant than a hidden wushu master.
Lucas can be pretty darn straight forward in his storytelling. Consider the closing pyre scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VEC6HqUCfo
"But which one was destroyed, the master or the apprentice."
pan shot across to Sid.. *cough* I mean Palpatine.

Lucas establishes the Rule of Two in Episode I... Maul was just killed, that leaves one more. "Darth" Jar Jar seems to posit a third Sith as the theory keeps Palpatine as a Sith, which directly contradicts the rule that Lucas just finished telling the audience.

In line with Lucas' direct storytelling... all the other examples of mind control were very direct declarations to the recipient "these aren't the droids you're looking for" "you want to go home and rethink your life" "Credits will do fine." I can think of no examples where there were mind tricks through mere presence that the movies acknowledge- this is more akin to the indoctrination theory of the Mass Effect series... which also came out of mass disappointment from the ending, but that one at least had the idea of indoctrination established somewhat in universe.

That one gif just made me realize there was more inane stuff going on.
http://gfycat.com/EnormousColorfulIbisbill#

It goes too fast when actually watching it, but I had no idea the battle had been reduced to fistfights between the Gungans and the Droids... in a battle with tanks and laser guns, it turns into a bar room brawl...

On November 24 2015 02:32 Blackfeather wrote:

If I was GL, I'd establish him in episode 1 as an idiot and in the episode i want to unveil him I'd make him more and more suspicious. Look at Palpatine f.e., we have pretty much zero hints that he's the emperor in episode 1. All we see is an ambitious politician.

We know that Sidious doesn't really care for the rule of two thanks to the fact that he killed his master in his sleep. Without the final duel the entire rule of two falls apart.

Well if Jar Jar was a Sith Lord, he would be supposed to do mind-tricks without the viewers noting. It should come as a surprise. Jar Jar's gesticulation is extreme, even compared to other Gungans.

Also that force persuasion is always obvious isnt true. I just checked the Gungan trial scene and I have no idea how much of the Gungan chief agreeing to Quai Gon is part of force persuasion, Quai Gon seems to try it on every sentence. The Gungan chief however only seems to agree and often gives him things that are bad, or double checks like in Jar Jar's life debt.

We know that Sidious doesn't really care for the rule of two thanks to the fact that he killed his master in his sleep. Without the final duel the entire rule of two falls apart.

On November 30 2015 14:36 Falling wrote:
Jar Jar? He just woke up one day for a brisky morning munching and bam! He's here, just trying to survive and not die or trip over too many things.

On November 23 2015 23:22 xDaunt wrote:

Yep, exactly. Mental masturbation at its finest.

On December 01 2015 02:47 HeatEXTEND wrote:


That's such a simplistic view................lol

On November 30 2015 14:36 Falling wrote:
Within the films, we don't actually know anything about the necessity of a duel- all we know is that there is only two. So if that is the evidence that Palpatine has more than one apprentice and that Jar Jar is specifically that additional apprentice... that's a pretty weak set up/ bad foreshadowing.

On December 02 2015 22:00 Manit0u wrote:


There is nothing said about the duel. All there is ever said is that there's always 2 and that the usual Sith way of advancement from apprentice to master is killing your master (how the killing is done is not specified).

Also, Palpatine definitely had more than one apprentice (Dooku and Maul are obvious but Wookiepedia also lists Garth Ezzar as his apprentice during the Clone Wars period).