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We made a thread specifically for Episode 8 now, let us head over to that one
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/entertainment/521373-star-wars-episode-viii-the-last-jedi
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
November 19 2015 23:52 GMT
#1801
Hammer indeed. I realize I'm really lucky to be stupid, I can enjoy more movies that way. As some guy said: blessed are the poor in spirit.
SigmaoctanusIV
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States3313 Posts
November 20 2015 03:11 GMT
#1802
Could the Prequel hate be, due to how lighthearted and kid oriented the films became? The Prequels as a whole are just kind of Corny and Jar Jar capitalizes on this and the Big CGI Jedi/Droid battles and Yoda flipping around is just weird and the more mature viewers wanted Starwars to grow with them. That's my guess, I was 11 when Phantom Menace came out I liked it back then after rewatching when I got older most of the humor fell flat and I just didn't care for them as much.
I am Godzilla You are Japan
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
November 20 2015 03:22 GMT
#1803
That's a common argument, yeah. I'm myself not really convinced that the prequel is so bad when I watch a review by 40 year olds :D.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17863 Posts
November 20 2015 04:30 GMT
#1804
I wouldn't mind if the prequels were targeted at kids (I do enjoy Disney movies after all, and I've enjoyed the Clone Wars series a lot more than the prequels). The problem is that they're not. They're too disjointed. Just take a look at this list off the top of my head.

Kid stuff:
- Jar Jar
- Anakin in ep I (so they can identify with him)
- pod racing
- pretty CGI
- droids
- plenty of jedi action

Not kid stuff:
- trade embargo/politics (plenty of boring talk)
- dismemberment galore
- decapitations
- mutilation
- people being burned alive

You get like 3 different themes in there. The lighthearted kiddy stuff with poor slapstick humour on top, then you have the entire political arc which seems to be the backbone of the story but isn't executed well enough and then there's all the stuff right out of Machete Kills or Kill Bill action movies which is definitely not for kids...
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-20 05:18:09
November 20 2015 05:09 GMT
#1805
They're obviously not for kids, but they may very well be for teens. Probably not the guys who went to see Star Wars at release in 1977. (Well, I do agree that these guys are not even around anymore to criticize the movies)
Damn I just realized I was 10 or 11 when I saw The Phantom Menace for the first time. Time flies... It's really not shocking to see it at that age, and I was still a kid then.

One thing that I must admit is that most of my good memories from this movie are centered around the action-y parts. The race was cool, the lightsaber fights were cool. I really didn't ask for more at the time, and when I rewatch the movie, I do it to watch mainly those parts. Not the acting prowesses of whoever played Anakin. And what the fuck did I care about midichlorians back then... Did kids really take up arms because midichlorians were an outrage and killed the mysticism or something?
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11607 Posts
November 20 2015 05:47 GMT
#1806
I suppose it depends on your view on what makes a good story and in particular, are stories for children or teens a lesser sort of good story. For myself, there are some stories that seem good as a child, that simply do not hold up as an adult. But the truly good children's stories remain good and in fact may prove to have a hidden depth to them that you really only appreciate when you are older.

I have gone through a lot of phases with the prequels- I enjoyed the first one upon first viewing, though I did have some vague dissatisfaction with the air combat in Episode I that I would have found difficult to articulate as a grade 7 student... and at the time, the Jedi battle tended to overshadow the flaws of all the other end plot lines. I then went into a hatred of Episode I (your run of the mill Jar Jar complaints), but still didn't really see a problem with Jake's acting... but just that the little kid seemed a far cry from the legendary Darth Vader in a rather dissatisfying way.

From there, I simply didn't watch it for a long time and my hatred faded into ambivalence. By the time the 3D release came out, I think it had been close to 10 years since I had last seen it (I just didn't have the desire to rewatch it like the originals.) On the rewatch I was ready to give a new re-evaluation- forget all the old criticism, what do I think now... and despite my best efforts, I kept getting drawn out of the film by some very serious flaws in its storytelling. That's not true of the best children's stories I've watched whether Disney, Don Bluth, or Pixar- to this day, they will draw me in without fail.
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Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
November 20 2015 06:02 GMT
#1807
On November 20 2015 12:22 ZenithM wrote:
That's a common argument, yeah. I'm myself not really convinced that the prequel is so bad when I watch a review by 40 year olds :D.

I don't think Mike is even that old now, lol. but yeah, once you reach 40 you lose any ability or credibility to be a film critic.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 20 2015 06:46 GMT
#1808
I never really hated any of the prequels. But it was obvious from the first time I watched the OT that those three movies were better. Same thing is true if I watch them now.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
November 20 2015 06:53 GMT
#1809
I think it helps if you just detach the two trilogies. It is really wierd to compare movies made so far apart in the first place. Incidentally I have to be the only person I know who thinks its unlikely ep 7 will be better than 1-3. But I don't think they are awful either. I am highly skeptical of 7.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10978 Posts
November 20 2015 08:28 GMT
#1810
Everytime someone sais the prequels weren't bad, they should be forced to read all the EP2 Anakin <-> Padme dialogue loud to themselves...




LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
November 20 2015 09:11 GMT
#1811
On November 20 2015 17:28 Velr wrote:
Everytime someone sais the prequels weren't bad, they should be forced to read all the EP2 Anakin <-> Padme dialogue loud to themselves...


+1.

I'm always surprised to see all the people shitting on ep. 1 while I found the ep. 2 way way worse. And yeah, the whole Padme/Anakin story is terribly done: poor writing and poor acting (which is weird considering both actors showed in other movies that they were good, I blame that on the director).
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11607 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-20 09:29:56
November 20 2015 09:29 GMT
#1812
There's a lot that could've been done with that- it would've helped if the assassination plot hadn't gotten dropped. Episode V also has a bunch of the main characters bog off for a little romance, however the tension remains because the Imperials are chasing them, they've stalled in an asteroid belt, asteroid worm, etc, etc. There are simply no stakes for Padme/ Anakin and they have no goals, no objectives to work towards. It really just feels like we're pausing their story until the rest of the plot can catch up before they can rejoin. But if even the peaceful fields of Naboo are insufficient to keep away assassins, maybe Anakin decides to drop off the map in his own backwater world of Tatooine, linking in with the regular story.

Also, is it really necessary to have Jango on Kamino when Obi Wan arrives? Keep him on the case, transfer his Obi Wan fight to a fight vs Anakin and suddenly Naboo becomes a dangerous place again and there are actual stakes for that subplot.
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Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
November 20 2015 10:45 GMT
#1813
The only one out of the prequel I didn't really like was episode 2. That one really did not impress me and I have always felt very meh about it. But as a kid I absolutely loved episode 1 (especially the pod race and the light saber fights) and later I also liked episode 3.
Admitelly I can understand why people hate the kiddy elements of those movies so much because I also found them stupid (jar-jar, r2 doing stupid flying stunts etc...) but not to the point that it ruined the movies for me.
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
November 20 2015 16:11 GMT
#1814
For those who might not know this exists:


And I remember this song being played to death on radio and TV around the release of Phantom Menace:
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-20 16:31:10
November 20 2015 16:30 GMT
#1815

Here's another cool one.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17863 Posts
November 20 2015 17:46 GMT
#1816
On November 21 2015 01:11 B.I.G. wrote:
And I remember this song being played to death on radio and TV around the release of Phantom Menace:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEcjgJSqSRU


How come I missed that? Weird Al is the bomb!
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
November 20 2015 18:06 GMT
#1817
And I actually think this is some of his finest work. I could still remember the lyrics quite clearly even after not having heard the song for more than 10 years haha
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
November 20 2015 20:03 GMT
#1818
I forgot how strange weird al looked in that wig.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-20 20:55:59
November 20 2015 20:55 GMT
#1819
On November 20 2015 17:28 Velr wrote:
Everytime someone sais the prequels weren't bad, they should be forced to read all the EP2 Anakin <-> Padme dialogue loud to themselves...






The prequel's weren't that bad. That isn't to say there aren't cringeworthy/bad dialogue (and Jar Jar), but they are not as bad as people like to exaggerate.
When I think of something else, something will go here
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
November 20 2015 22:24 GMT
#1820
There is a lot of exaggeration going on. I didn't think the originals were that good or the prequels that bad. The prequels did have their problems but some were in the originals as well.
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