EPTOn November 18 2015 06:46 Manit0u wrote:
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That.........looks cool.
Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Page 90
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HeatEXTEND
Netherlands836 Posts
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On November 19 2015 02:32 The_Red_Viper wrote: Don't get me wrong, i don't think they are 'good' movies. I wouldn't call them 'bad' either though, just very mediocre, kinda average. I would rate the old ones average too though (a little bit better overall). It's just that in the star wars fandom people seem to absolutely HATE the new ones while loving the old ones, which i think is ridiculous. I actually think the new one could be the best movie out of all the star wars movies, at least i like the general direction so far (like villains with actual motives, etc) It is not so much about the movies as it is about the universe and in the way that it is depicted in the old movies. The way the universe is depicted in the prequels, however, sucks balls. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On November 20 2015 02:06 NukeD wrote: It is not so much about the movies as it is about the universe and in the way that it is depicted in the old movies. The way the universe is depicted in the prequels, however, sucks balls. Can you elaborate on that? | ||
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3339 Posts
On November 20 2015 02:06 NukeD wrote: It is not so much about the movies as it is about the universe and in the way that it is depicted in the old movies. The way the universe is depicted in the prequels, however, sucks balls. You don't like midichlorians and Gungans who are you? I think in an attempt to explain a lot of things, the prequels took the awe and wonder out of certain elements. Who the heck cared about what made a Jedi/Sith able to use the force? Now we know they're tied to a microscopic life force which if you ahve a lot of, you're stronger. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
Midichlorians were disliked because in the Originals the Force was mystical, religious, conjured up by powerful emotions in people with a destiny. Making it goofy mitochondria was just bullshit. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2553 Posts
Like holy shit everything makes so much sense. He's Darth Palagius isn't he? He's the one that could cheat death. Maybe he can body hop too? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 20 2015 04:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: I never understood why people dislike midichlorians so much. That is one of the things i feel people circle jerked over for no good reason. Because the idea of the Force was that it was something anyone could tap into. Some people naturally connected to it, but anyone could learn how to with introspection and practice. But the later movies turned it into a genetic super power and Darth Vader into Sith Jesus. Plus fuck the later movies depiction of force use. Weightless jumping around and spinning endlessly for no reason. Lightsabers have no weight, so some feint are going to be big and flashy. But that movie took it to a level of stupid that made the fights impossible to follow and boring. Give me lightsaber fights with the people have the weight and feel of Mad Max Fury road, with swords that lighter than air. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Well i still don't see the problem with this one. On November 20 2015 04:10 TheTenthDoc wrote: A lot of the dislike is (consciously or unconsciously) tied to the fact that the prequels are more poorly shot than the original trilogy with worse writing and (at times) worse acting. Shot/reverse shot of people walking down hallways filling in your plot followed by CGI orgies does not a good movie make. Hm okay i can totally see that, there was a lot of CGI bs. It made the general feel more sterile, if that makes sense? Worse writing? Maybe, but i don't feel like star wars' writing was any special no matter what movie. Deathstar being destroyed like that? Yeah ofc... Acting? I don't think Luke for example was portrayed all that well either, all i see i people bitching about Anakin though. etc | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Its shitty science that cheapened the force down to some dumb thing that lives in your blood stream. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On November 20 2015 05:28 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ok so people disliked midichlorians because it brought science (bs science obviously) into something which was purely fantasy before? Well i still don't see the problem with this one. Hm okay i can totally see that, there was a lot of CGI bs. It made the general feel more sterile, if that makes sense? Worse writing? Maybe, but i don't feel like star wars' writing was any special no matter what movie. Deathstar being destroyed like that? Yeah ofc... Acting? I don't think Luke for example was portrayed all that well either, all i see i people bitching about Anakin though. etc More and more I get the feeling you just want to have a contrarian opinion just for the sake of it, be edgy or whatever. How can you not understand that people dont like if fantasy gets turned into science? Like if Gandalf was found to get his powers from using some advanced scientific machines you would be surprised if people disliked that? Apart from that it is really just this: On November 20 2015 04:28 Yoav wrote: The Prequels were just bad movies. The Originals were good movies. The rest of it can be ignored/forgiven. But bad acting, dialogue, shooting, plotting, pacing, forgettable villains, dull heroes, and so on meant it was a painful experience. Originals are on a completely different level and characters feel more genuine or "real". Small example, recently saw this clip on YT and instantly thought this could never exist in the prequels with this genuine expression of emotions. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
And what a bad example, star wars clearly has a scifi setting at least, i wouldn't think people dislike scientific explanations in a "scifi" movie... Totally the same as Gandalf using some machines for magic use! I agree with a lot of reasonings why the new movies were bad (i would come to the conclusion that they were mediocre though), but midichlorians? really? Yeah total circlejerk reasoning, especially because it wasn't even that big of a deal regardless... (so you could actually say he used the explanation for almost nothing and that is a negative point, but i guess people would lose their shit if that would have become a central point to the plot, haha) But yeah it's kinda hard to take that pov when people love the old movies because i never got that either. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
The only real big gripe I have with them is Anakin's casting. Both the child and the young man are just very annoying. I should have felt pain or sadness when Anakin inevitably turned to the dark side, but instead all I felt was "Well, figures, he was kind of a douche already." I felt more sadness for Obi Wan for losing his friend :D. The other actors were pretty well casted. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On November 20 2015 06:18 The_Red_Viper wrote: Yes i wanna be edgy and everyone who disagrees with you (and the majority) about the quality level difference of the star wars movies only argues that way because he wants to have a contrarian opinion! You nailed it! And what a bad example, star wars clearly has a scifi setting at least, i wouldn't think people dislike scientific explanations in a "scifi" movie... Totally the same as Gandalf using some machines for magic use! I agree with a lot of reasonings why the new movies were bad (i would come to the conclusion that they were mediocre though), but midichlorians? really? Yeah total circlejerk reasoning, especially because it wasn't even that big of a deal regardless... (so you could actually say he used the explanation for almost nothing and that is a negative point, but i guess people would lose their shit if that would have become a central point to the plot, haha) But yeah it's kinda hard to take that pov when people love the old movies because i never got that either. Well the fact that you mention a "circlejerk" kinda confirms my thoughts here. Like I dont care about any midichlorians and never saw them mentioned in the movies (did not really pay attention) but it is totally obvious to me why a fan could be genuinely upset about this. On November 20 2015 06:29 ZenithM wrote: I agree with you 100%, The_Red_Viper. People just want these movies to be bad for the only reason that they were disappointed. Yes, they're not especially good, but they're not the worse movies of all time and didn't disfigure the saga... I actually liked them, and I would consider myself a Star Wars fan. Or you liked them only because you are a Star Wars fan. I have a hard time imagining that any adult that does not care about Star Wars could like these movies. And plenty of those people that dont care about Star Wars in fact called the movies bad. It is really not just disappointed fans. | ||
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misirlou
Portugal3300 Posts
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Atreides
United States2393 Posts
I think people just use that as their reason for hating on the new trilogy because it is easy to say and they can't really verbalize why they just don't like them as much. They have a completely different "feel" overall and I can understand to some extent people hating it, I just get annoyed at people banging on specific lines/scenes in the new trilogy when you can easily find equally bad lines in the old movies and they just give them a pass. Rewatched all 6 recently and enjoyed them so whatever. Also I like little kid anakim pretty good in episode 1, just not older anakim in 2 and 3. I think that young anakim and obi-wan are the only characters in the new trilogy that evoke any emotional responses for the most part. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On November 20 2015 06:35 Redox wrote: Well the fact that you mention a "circlejerk" kinda confirms my thoughts here. Like I dont care about any midichlorians and never saw them mentioned in the movies (did not really pay attention) but it is totally obvious to me why a fan could be genuinely upset about this. Or you liked them only because you are a Star Wars fan. I have a hard time imagining that any adult that does not care about Star Wars could like these movies. And plenty of those people that dont care about Star Wars in fact called the movies bad. It is really not just disappointed fans. Yes! That was kinda my point actually. I'm a Star Wars fan, but I'm also pretty tolerant about movie quality, so whatever Star Wars you give me I'll take gladly, unless it's really too awful. My point is that the prequels are precisely not too awful. I can very well conceive that non-fans call these movies bad, but in this case I really don't see how they could "love" the first ones at the same time. I can't see how you could have extreme opposite reactions about both trilogies without being a fan, it just doesn't make sense. On November 20 2015 06:44 misirlou wrote: The only thing I love about the prequels is Ewan McGregor, Obi Wan makes them enjoyable for me. Word. It's nice seeing young Obi-Wan being a cool guy after watching old Ben being a cool guy as a child :D. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17737 Posts
All things bad in prequels explained in 17 videos. You probably won't get a more detailed answer on why they sucked anywhere. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
They had their problems, but those are simple to identify and not borne of Star Trek style nitpicky criticism. | ||
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