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Manit0u
Poland17614 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On December 09 2015 14:48 rezoacken wrote: The biggest shame with the prequels is they managed to make me unexcited for episode 7... Haven't followed it at all. I'll probably go see it 1-2 weeks after release, after christmas. Unless people say it's really poor. What's the average feeling ? Excited or cautious ? I am pretty confident in J.J. Abrams and his writers. This film will be way better than the prequels (not that its hard admittedly) just like his Star Trek movies were way better than the ones before. Hollywood has overall learned since the early 2000s when they depended way too much on their special effects for success. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
I do like the new cast. I think Boyega is a great choice for a protagonist. | ||
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
https://www.reddit.com/comments/3qvj6w Jar Jar is/was intended to be a Sith. There's so many times in ep1 he uses hand persuasion and mouthing to talk for some characters, and a lot of his things are purposely animated. The most obvious things are him standing next to Palpatine at Qui-gon's funeral and the animators having Jar Jar SMILE/GRIN at his funeral. The above entire scene near the start of the movie foreshadows Jar Jar being a Sith above Palpatine in rank,"always a bigger fish," and twice during the scene he directs obi-wan/qui-gon on which direction to take their ship with hand movements. Also notice first fish is red (Darth Maul) ends up foreshadowing Darth Maul's death by being split in two by the first bigger fish. Second fish is an electric eel representing Palpatine, and the original "biggest fish" represents Jar Jar and Jar Jar may even be controlling that fish to deal with the other two. Last thing that makes it all come together is the fact George Lucas has said in Interviews "Jar Jar is the key to all this" not to mention Jar Jar's appearance and the idea behind him is exactly analogous to the Mule from Isaac Asimov's Foundation Trilogy. If anyone here has read those...you're probably thinking "oh holy mother of god i should have realized this it was there in front of me all along." Also btw guys, Luke is a Dark Jedi in dis next film, calling it. Listen to the second trailer where Luke is talking about the Force and you can hear an echo of him talking Vader-esque with a helmet on. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On December 09 2015 17:40 NukeD wrote: The vibe that I got from his interviews is that he doesn't "get" Star Wars so I am expecting too much action too little story and character development kind of movie. It will surely be his very own take on Star Wars, different from the other movies. Some fans will not like it, but it will be good movies I think. You also cant make the movies like the old ones, you have to go with the times to be succesful. Although I would also say that Star Wars was never about character development. Special effects, action and maybe universe building were the major selling points. | ||
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
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Laurens
Belgium4553 Posts
On December 09 2015 18:52 shin_toss wrote: jar jar was more realistic (in that universe and world of sci fi) vs ewoks beating empire troops with wooden logs and random stones When I mention Ewoks in my circle of friends, the OT fanboys just ignore their existence. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On December 09 2015 19:21 Laurens wrote: When I mention Ewoks in my circle of friends, the OT fanboys just ignore their existence. People generally dont like them and they were only in ep6. For what are they supposed to be an argument exactly? Because there was something bad in ep6 it somehow makes Jarjar good? Also the non-existance of Jarjar would still mean the prequels are bad, its really not about him. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10836 Posts
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On December 09 2015 18:52 shin_toss wrote: jar jar was more realistic (in that universe and world of sci fi) vs ewoks beating empire troops with wooden logs and random stones Yeah Ewoks are lame. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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ThomasjServo
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On December 09 2015 15:36 Redox wrote: I am pretty confident in J.J. Abrams and his writers. This film will be way better than the prequels (not that its hard admittedly) just like his Star Trek movies were way better than the ones before. Hollywood has overall learned since the early 2000s when they depended way too much on their special effects for success. I don't know about better, faster paced, more explosions sure, but objectively better? I wouldn't go that far. I say that as a temperate Trekkie in that I don't mind ST Into Darkness. I think what it boils down to is that the same people who take grave issues with JJ's Star Trek may find similar grievances with Star Wars, that being said, Star Wars as a franchise lends itself a lot more to a lot of what hard core trek fans didn't care for about his interpretation. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On December 09 2015 22:09 ThomasjServo wrote: I don't know about better, faster paced, more explosions sure, but objectively better? I wouldn't go that far. I say that as a temperate Trekkie in that I don't mind ST Into Darkness. Well if we regard film critics as objective than they are objectively better. On Rotten Tomatoes Insurrection and Nemesis have 55% and 37%, the JJA films have 95% and 87%, thats a different level. The 2010 film even won an Oscar, first Star Trek to do so. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 09 2015 21:34 Plexa wrote: Ewoks are awesome Also all dead because they had a battle station the size of a moon explode above their planet. 5 years later, super dead. | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On December 09 2015 22:46 Redox wrote: Well if we regard film critics as objective than they are objectively better. On Rotten Tomatoes Insurrection and Nemesis have 55% and 37%, the JJA films have 95% and 87%, thats a different level. The 2010 film even won an Oscar, first Star Trek to do so. Those are pretty much the worst Trek movies out there. No one can defend Nemesis and Insurrection, though it is funny to see Tom Hardy as Picard's clone. Using RT as a benchmark First Contact, and Wrath of Khan are about on par with both the JJ ST films, but I don't take that as gospel. Skip to the end, and I think JJ is much more capable of making a good star wars movie than a canon trek film. I like the JJ Trek films for what they are, but they are already closer to Star Wars than Trek if that makes sense. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6334 Posts
It would be extremely lazy writing, and would put the movie 'worst than phantom menace' tier Edit: don't know how they could make his death not cheesy | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On December 09 2015 23:17 ThomasjServo wrote: Those are pretty much the worst Trek movies out there. No one can defend Nemesis and Insurrection, though it is funny to see Tom Hardy as Picard's clone. Using RT as a benchmark First Contact, and Wrath of Khan are about on par with both the JJ ST films, but I don't take that as gospel. Skip to the end, and I think JJ is much more capable of making a good star wars movie than a canon trek film. I like the JJ Trek films for what they are, but they are already closer to Star Wars than Trek if that makes sense. JJ also said he was never into Star Trek but was a huge fan of Star Wars. He also said he prefered it because there was more action, which is unfortunate. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On December 09 2015 17:40 NukeD wrote: The vibe that I got from his interviews is that he doesn't "get" Star Wars so I am expecting too much action too little story and character development kind of movie. I do like the new cast. I think Boyega is a great choice for a protagonist. The truth is that if you do exactly what the fanbase asks you to do, you get a terrible movie. You really just have to make a movie that respects their major concerns, while making something fresh enough to be new and likable. Abrams seems to do that well enough to be able to make the new movie properly. Hopefully I'm not wrong, but at worst I think this movie will be better than the PT worse than the OT, which is acceptable. It could surpass the OT if done well. On December 09 2015 18:52 shin_toss wrote: jar jar was more realistic (in that universe and world of sci fi) vs ewoks beating empire troops with wooden logs and random stones Boulders dropped from massive heights on infantry, and logs the size of massive trees being used cleverly, among a people that were taught strategy by the Rebels, with a massive numbers advantage. Seems believable to me. I don't really care for the Ewok hate at all. The ordering in terms of quality is in my eyes 1 < 2 < 3 < 4 < 5 < 6. Some people don't like RotJ but it was honestly a better movie than ESB, and I don't think Star Trek style nitpicking changes that. | ||
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