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LegalLord
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Plansix
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On October 21 2015 04:20 LegalLord wrote: Much as I hate to admit it, officially wiping the EU was the right choice. Otherwise, endless challenges of trying to preserve continuity over quality. And that's Star Trek land. I think a world where Jedi are myth and legend is way more compelling that one filled with different flavors of Jedi super heroes, all with their own flavor of super force using powers. One where the heroes were the previous heroes failed to keep the Empire from coming back is more interesting that one that has new threats. The fewer Jedi in a movie, the better off we are. | ||
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Manit0u
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On October 21 2015 01:25 Canucklehead wrote: I'm praying luke isn't on the dark side like some speculate because that would be a terrible, original twist and just a rehash of the original. Please don't make luke vadar 2.0! It's been done already... ![[image loading]](http://images.techtimes.com/data/images/full/35730/2082738-luke_emperor-jpg.jpg) vide: Dark Empire | ||
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LegalLord
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Manit0u
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On October 21 2015 05:35 LegalLord wrote: As I remember, it really wasn't a very good story. I don't want to see it rehashed either. Me neither. The whole clone thing really killed everything for me even before the clone wars... | ||
Falling
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You have the fringer that is scavenging in and old Star Destroyer that meet up with stormtrooper that has a crisis of conscience and defects. Somewhere they stumble on to some sort information about the Force or Jedi/ Sith and start asking questions. It seems they are going back to the universe that doesn't remember there are Jedi (Han Solo's "but I've never seen anything to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything"). Prequels undercut that idea, but we can ignore that. I'm guessing Luke dropped off the map after Return. (He's not prominently featured, and some of the clips make me think they need to seek him out." Without Heir to the Empire's "Not the last of the old Jedi, Luke. The first of the new.," what if Luke does not "Pass on what you have learned," but becomes a recluse? Few knew the Emperor used the Force, and with Vader dead and Luke the only trained Jedi, would not the stories disappear with him? That's an interesting set up to a movie- searching for and convincing a disillusioned (or zen) Luke to come back to the real world as new enemies strike. I don't think the trailer needs to explain why the Empire is still around- it's a very real possibility that while parts of the galaxy were liberated or overthrew the Empire, that large parts of the galaxy remained in Imperial hands. That's at least where most of the interesting old EU books resided- once the Empire was gone, there was no significant and interesting threat worthy of the title Star Wars, until the Vong (which I initially did not care for.) | ||
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SkrollK
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On October 21 2015 06:15 Falling wrote: I think there are sufficient hints on where the story is going- or if not, then decent misdirections. Hints enough to fuel speculation, which I sometimes indulge in. You have the fringer that is scavenging in and old Star Destroyer that meet up with stormtrooper that has a crisis of conscience and defects. Somewhere they stumble on to some sort information about the Force or Jedi/ Sith and start asking questions. It seems they are going back to the universe that doesn't remember there are Jedi (Han Solo's "but I've never seen anything to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything"). Prequels undercut that idea, but we can ignore that. I'm guessing Luke dropped off the map after Return. (He's not prominently featured, and some of the clips make me think they need to seek him out." Without Heir to the Empire's "Not the last of the old Jedi, Luke. The first of the new.," what if Luke does not "Pass on what you have learned," but becomes a recluse? Few knew the Emperor used the Force, and with Vader dead and Luke the only trained Jedi, would not the stories disappear with him? That's an interesting set up to a movie- searching for and convincing a disillusioned (or zen) Luke to come back to the real world as new enemies strike. I don't think the trailer needs to explain why the Empire is still around- it's a very real possibility that while parts of the galaxy were liberated or overthrew the Empire, that large parts of the galaxy remained in Imperial hands. That's at least where most of the interesting old EU books resided- once the Empire was gone, there was no significant and interesting threat worthy of the title Star Wars, until the Vong (which I initially did not care for.) I like your ways of seeing things, especially the part on the seek of a Jedi master (even tho it's sounds kinda familiar, isn't it ? =) ). But let's take a glance at 1:58 into the trailer. Couldn't it be Luke ? Plus 1:40 : mechanical RIGHT hand, like Luke's, touching R2 ? Definitely him on that one. Oh, and one more question ? Is The Clone Wars series and movies' canon anymore ? I guess yes coz Tano is seen as Anakin's padawan in Star Wars Rebels, which is canon, but I don't know for sure. Ok, nvm, got my answer, yes it is. | ||
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Sent.
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B.I.G.
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Pleasing the purists might be difficult but I think that with movies like Star Wars it is neigh impossible to please everyone because there are simply to many different opinions on how things should be. I'm just going to go in open minded and see what their vision of this franchise is. Canon be damned xD | ||
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SkrollK
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On October 21 2015 17:47 B.I.G. wrote: I said it before and I'll say it again: I have a lot of faith in Disney to make a great movie. In my opinion they have a long track record of making excellent products and I have no doubt that they will deliver a very polished and well thought out product. Pleasing the purists might be difficult but I think that with movies like Star Wars it is neigh impossible to please everyone because there are simply to many different opinions on how things should be. I'm just going to go in open minded and see what their vision of this franchise is. Canon be damned xD Honestly, I'm quite like you. I mean, everyone cried and spat out on the prequels, saying it was a shame, not in the spirit, or whatever... To me they were good movies. Not the best I ever saw, but very good movies nonetheless. And I'm a huge fan of the star wars universe, I'm old enough to have seen them in the right order, (IV, V, VI, I, II, III) and I was not feeling at all that they were betraying the universe and the star wars franchise or w/e. The only thing I am disapointed in is the EU being thrown to the bin like that, 20+ years of work disappearing in a blink of an eye... And I'm really sad and disappointed because that. I have no bad feeling about the movie, i'll take it how it come, I'm just mad @Disney for the destruction of all the Star Wars I knew and I loved for 15+ years. | ||
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B.I.G.
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In the end it is up to the one hearing the stories to decide for themselves how all the snippets fit in together and come up with your own theory, right? | ||
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Manit0u
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On October 21 2015 17:42 Sent. wrote: Clone wars are canon? Maybe I will give it a second chance then, tried watching it but I dropped it after a season or two because it seemed like silly episodic cartoon for kids. Which Clone Wars? There was one on Cartoon Network. It was short, not very good overall but it had its moments (Anakin slipping towards the Dark Side). And the CG one, which was generally pretty good. Episodes were pretty lackluster but there were a couple gems in there and the plot was usually much deeper, better and mature than EP I-III. | ||
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Falling
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I like your ways of seeing things, especially the part on the seek of a Jedi master (even tho it's sounds kinda familiar, isn't it ? =) ). It is familiar to Star Wars- also similar to parts of Tron Legacy... as my friends and I were going the trailer, freezing it and guessing what the story would be, a lot of these ideas came out- I couldn't figure out why one idea seemed similar, until I thought of the zen Jeff Bridges, and then it all made sense. But strong execution can recast familiar stories in new and interesting ways. | ||
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QuanticHawk
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On October 21 2015 06:15 Falling wrote: I think there are sufficient hints on where the story is going- or if not, then decent misdirections. Hints enough to fuel speculation, which I sometimes indulge in. You have the fringer that is scavenging in and old Star Destroyer that meet up with stormtrooper that has a crisis of conscience and defects. Somewhere they stumble on to some sort information about the Force or Jedi/ Sith and start asking questions. It seems they are going back to the universe that doesn't remember there are Jedi (Han Solo's "but I've never seen anything to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything"). Prequels undercut that idea, but we can ignore that. I'm guessing Luke dropped off the map after Return. (He's not prominently featured, and some of the clips make me think they need to seek him out." Without Heir to the Empire's "Not the last of the old Jedi, Luke. The first of the new.," what if Luke does not "Pass on what you have learned," but becomes a recluse? Few knew the Emperor used the Force, and with Vader dead and Luke the only trained Jedi, would not the stories disappear with him? That's an interesting set up to a movie- searching for and convincing a disillusioned (or zen) Luke to come back to the real world as new enemies strike. I don't think the trailer needs to explain why the Empire is still around- it's a very real possibility that while parts of the galaxy were liberated or overthrew the Empire, that large parts of the galaxy remained in Imperial hands. That's at least where most of the interesting old EU books resided- once the Empire was gone, there was no significant and interesting threat worthy of the title Star Wars, until the Vong (which I initially did not care for.) yeah just as easily as they could be hiding Luke under the mask for a pretty lazy plot, it could be as you described too. I am thinking it is one of those two. Isn't recluse Luke in the old EU too | ||
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Falling
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It's more that it took the EU awhile to start training Jedi- the Thrawn trilogy has Luke heavily involved with everyone else and introduces 'the first of the new.' But I don't recall Luke becoming a recluse, unless it was Vong or post-Vong. ...I really hope it's not Luke under the mask. I would rather he had a misguided idea that if he was the last trained Jedi, then if he trained no-one else, there will be no more light side users alright, but there certainly won't be any one that can fall to the dark side. But the rise of this broadsword Sith crashes that dream and brings him out of hiding. Or some sort of crippling fear that if his father was corrupted, maybe he would follow the same path- a psychological hold over from his battle with the Emperor. | ||
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Deleted User 135096
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On October 21 2015 18:07 SkrollK wrote: Honestly, I'm quite like you. I mean, everyone cried and spat out on the prequels, saying it was a shame, not in the spirit, or whatever... To me they were good movies. Not the best I ever saw, but very good movies nonetheless. And I'm a huge fan of the star wars universe, I'm old enough to have seen them in the right order, (IV, V, VI, I, II, III) and I was not feeling at all that they were betraying the universe and the star wars franchise or w/e. The only thing I am disapointed in is the EU being thrown to the bin like that, 20+ years of work disappearing in a blink of an eye... And I'm really sad and disappointed because that. I have no bad feeling about the movie, i'll take it how it come, I'm just mad @Disney for the destruction of all the Star Wars I knew and I loved for 15+ years. I will respectfully disagree with you on the prequels being good movies. At their core, the overall concept or narrative arcs of them are pretty decent (if too long). But that being said, those movies all suffered a myriad of small problems in execution an inconsistency from all over the place in its production that completely mared the end-result; some of it in the writing (certain characters, the from-left-field-slapstick, the far too large narrative scope), some of it in casting (little anakin was a terrible choice, big annie wasn't much better), and some simply in the execution of the drama from various parties. Essentially the problems with episodes 1-3 can likely be summed up with "George Lucas gained too much power, and it went to his head." Wait.... that sounds familiar. Anyway, I wouldn't be that disappointed with the EU being gone. Because of that Star Wars has an opportunity to unify the best parts of everything that had happened and construct an incredible world from that, as they don't have to deal with the retconning that inevitably happens when something isn't completely planned, and thereby breaking stuff all over the place. Though... Thrawn is badass. | ||
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Manit0u
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On October 22 2015 06:33 Falling wrote: Not really- mostly the Bantam EU universe didn't know what to do with him because a couple authors gave him OP powers- some authors tried crippling Luke at the beginning of the book so Luke was comatose or at least never firing on all cylinders for that particular story. Or other authors like Zahn, were coming in behind, nerfing those same powers by the power of retcon. But as long as he was conscience, he was involved, if not in the affairs of the world, then at least with his Jedi Academy. It's more that it took the EU awhile to start training Jedi- the Thrawn trilogy has Luke heavily involved with everyone else and introduces 'the first of the new.' But I don't recall Luke becoming a recluse, unless it was Vong or post-Vong. ...I really hope it's not Luke under the mask. I would rather he had a misguided idea that if he was the last trained Jedi, then if he trained no-one else, there will be no more light side users alright, but there certainly won't be any one that can fall to the dark side. But the rise of this broadsword Sith crashes that dream and brings him out of hiding. Or some sort of crippling fear that if his father was corrupted, maybe he would follow the same path- a psychological hold over from his battle with the Emperor. Ep VI ending was pretty lighthearted. I don't think that Luke would feel so gloomy. I guess that they'll go the route of Rebellion has succeeded, there was a time of rebuilding and joy. Luke went on to hold on his promise to finish his training, meditating alone, studying the force hermit (Yoda) style. All the while remnant of the Empire created First Order (or whatever they're called) and come back in force. Luke decided he isn't going to meddle with the affairs of commonfolk, pretty much how Obi and Yoda did for a very long time. Events unfold, Luke is found by accident or otherwise and the world he wanted to leave behind has catched up to him. That's how I see it. | ||
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