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On October 23 2015 06:35 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 06:14 Hadleyx88 wrote:I'm really disappointed in the new Trailer. I don't know, I feel we see too much of the new characters and stuff. I liked the first nostalgia trailer more.  Wow completely disagree. This is set 30 years later after RotJ, I'd be extremely disappointed if this movie was just basically the adventures of grandma and grandpa Solo/Skywalker. It'd reek of Disney just trying to milk more money out of the franchise using very obvious fan service. We need to see the new generation, the old guys need to be there as guides and sources of wisdom. Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 23:18 deth2munkies wrote:On October 22 2015 23:13 LoneYoShi wrote:On October 22 2015 23:06 SkrollK wrote:On October 22 2015 22:52 deth2munkies wrote:On October 22 2015 18:53 Asturas wrote:Since new movie ignores the existence of Expanded Universe, this is nothing more than simply a fan film. Possibly a very good one, but not worth getting too attached to  On a more serious note - I lost my interest in SW because Disney murdered EU. One day I will watch EVII, but not in the cinema. I am not enough excited for it. Without EU Star Wars is incredibly empty. You know, only 6 movies and a crappy TV series for kids Well let's be honest, the vast majority of the EU was shit, on par with long-form internet fanfiction (which is how Disney is treating it). Mara Jade and Grand Admiral Thrawn are the only losses I mourn. Clone Wars was decent, Rebels is actually pretty good, and the movies were all good. I like that they're taking it in a new direction. Karrde !!!!! Seriously that character was truly a fantastic one. I don't agree with you deth2munkies. There were indeed some really shitty books (the one in which Xizor brainwashes Leia in order to marry her comes to mind). But there are and good amount that I liked a lot. The entire concept of the (and I can't remember how to spell it) Youzan Vong was stupid. Resurrecting the Emperor as a clone was stupid. The entire "sith world with evil entity still there" thing was overdone to hell. There was a lot of fanservice in just "this generic story features Luke Skywalker and Leia as a Jedi killing lots of baddies!". I'll be honest and say I didn't read all of them, but I read a fair amount. Once I hit about 18 I stopped finding them too compelling. And for the record: I'm not sure the Old Republic stuff is completely gone, but if both KotOR games and (to a lesser extent) the MMO no longer exist, that's a loss too. So glad someone said this. I see a lot of people in this thread disappointed with the scrapping of the EU. I didn't read much into it because what I read seemed lame and forced, though I did read a lot about it through wikis and summaries. None of it seemed worth spending much time on. I'd be disappointed in the SW community if the general consensus is that the EU should have been respected as canon. Glad that most people are still excited about where SW is going to go despite the decision to get rid of the EU/fan service novels.
This is basically me. I picked up the odd SW book, and found them subpar. Am still interested in the lore, but I have seen D&D fanfiction that is deeper than most of the EU. That said, KOTOR and the universe it built was amazing, and scrapping KOTOR and KOTOR 2 lore would be dumb. But then again, they can easily adapt them to movies (would watch) and make it canon.
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OK, KotOR 2 was actually pretty horrible lore-wise. It made up a ton of shit about how the Force works that makes little to no sense (what the hell is a "wound in the force" anyway?) and didn't have an actual ending. KotOR 1, however, was the standard by which Star Wars games would be judged as it relates to their story.
EDIT: And I still love the game, it has better gameplay than KotOR 1 and a lot more item and customization options. Kreia is one of the most interesting characters I've ever seen in a video game and the rest of the cast is solid too (except Disciple, he's just annoying). It's just that the overarching story was bad, the ending was bad, and there was 0 characterization of one of the most important bad guys in the entire game (Darth Nihilus, had literally 0 dialogue and he's the main face on the front of the box for christsake).
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I feel like KotOR is so far removed from the timeline that all they could do is just name drop or cameo a couple of key characters into a canon story and let fans fill in the rest in their heads. That way, Bioware can keep doing its own thing and fans can feel better about choosing to include all that as possibilities in the new canon until Disney makes any explicit retcons for the period.
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Old, but a good read for everyone here: http://www.ew.com/article/2012/11/02/star-wars-sequels-timothy-zahn
Zahn’s trilogy gets it’s name from the central villain, a blue-skinned, red-eyed Imperial general who cobbles together the remains of the vast, evil army after Vader and the Emperor are killed in Return of the Jedi.
The author gave a name to the galaxy’s capital planet – Coruscant – which Lucas kept for the prequels, and he introduced some beloved figures that any later Star Wars movie would be wise to remember.
Foremost among them was the femme fatale Mara Jade, an Imperial assassin who becomes a love interest for Luke Skywalker. (No more kissing your sister, bub.) And Han Solo and Princess Leia give birth to twins in the third Thrawn book, The Last Command.
“Another thing in the Thrawn trilogy was the catching of Force lightning with a lightsaber blade. Apparently, George thought that was a cool visual and put it in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, so he has been keeping a close eye on what has been done,” Zahn says.
“It could be an entirely new storyline, but if he picks and chooses bits and pieces from the expanded universe, we’d all be thrilled to death.”
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On October 20 2015 18:41 LoneYoShi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 18:13 SkrollK wrote:On October 20 2015 18:02 Kipsate wrote:
wait a fucking minute, I haven't kept up much with Star Wars but is that Darth Revan
I thought SWTOR was not canon
what is going on. There is no cannon anymore afaik. Disney is deciding what is cannon and what is not. And that stinks. Disney said that outside of the 6 movies, nothing that was made before they bought the Star Wars franchise isconsidered cannon anymore. The cannon now is only the 6 movies + everything that they produced since Disney bought SW (SW: Rebels TV show, there were some comics too, obviously the upcoming movies, etc). So yeah, you can now forget all of what you knew about the universe. Dark Revan and the KOTOR Era ? Gone. The Yuuzhan Vong ? Never existed. Thrawn ? Just a dream. Jaina and Jacen ? Pffft. The adventures of Rogue and Wraith squadron ? Nope. And the list goes on.
I would really like to read some of those extended universe things, what are the best ones? What can you recommend guys?
I remember only reading one random book from a trilogy (Showdown at Centerpoint from the Corellian Trilogy) when I was little, and it didn't make much sense to me (I think it was the third volume hahaha).
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On October 23 2015 09:12 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 18:41 LoneYoShi wrote:On October 20 2015 18:13 SkrollK wrote:On October 20 2015 18:02 Kipsate wrote:
wait a fucking minute, I haven't kept up much with Star Wars but is that Darth Revan
I thought SWTOR was not canon
what is going on. There is no cannon anymore afaik. Disney is deciding what is cannon and what is not. And that stinks. Disney said that outside of the 6 movies, nothing that was made before they bought the Star Wars franchise isconsidered cannon anymore. The cannon now is only the 6 movies + everything that they produced since Disney bought SW (SW: Rebels TV show, there were some comics too, obviously the upcoming movies, etc). So yeah, you can now forget all of what you knew about the universe. Dark Revan and the KOTOR Era ? Gone. The Yuuzhan Vong ? Never existed. Thrawn ? Just a dream. Jaina and Jacen ? Pffft. The adventures of Rogue and Wraith squadron ? Nope. And the list goes on. I would really like to read some of those extended universe things, what are the best ones? What can you recommend guys? I remember only reading one random book from a trilogy (Showdown at Centerpoint from the Corellian Trilogy) when I was little, and it didn't make much sense to me (I think it was the third volume hahaha).
The books by Timothy Zahn are by far the best, and arguably the only ones worth reading. His Thrawn Trilogy (Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, and The Last Command) essentially got the EU going, and his follow-up Hand of Thrawn series (Specter of the Past, Vision of the Future) is also pretty good. He has a few other books that are of middling quality that basically have more adventures involving Thrawn in the early years.
Other than that, I can only list a handful of the many EU books I read that I actually liked. The fact that I barely remember any of them by name speaks volumes about how memorable they were.
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On October 23 2015 09:25 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 09:12 ZenithM wrote:On October 20 2015 18:41 LoneYoShi wrote:On October 20 2015 18:13 SkrollK wrote:On October 20 2015 18:02 Kipsate wrote:
wait a fucking minute, I haven't kept up much with Star Wars but is that Darth Revan
I thought SWTOR was not canon
what is going on. There is no cannon anymore afaik. Disney is deciding what is cannon and what is not. And that stinks. Disney said that outside of the 6 movies, nothing that was made before they bought the Star Wars franchise isconsidered cannon anymore. The cannon now is only the 6 movies + everything that they produced since Disney bought SW (SW: Rebels TV show, there were some comics too, obviously the upcoming movies, etc). So yeah, you can now forget all of what you knew about the universe. Dark Revan and the KOTOR Era ? Gone. The Yuuzhan Vong ? Never existed. Thrawn ? Just a dream. Jaina and Jacen ? Pffft. The adventures of Rogue and Wraith squadron ? Nope. And the list goes on. I would really like to read some of those extended universe things, what are the best ones? What can you recommend guys? I remember only reading one random book from a trilogy (Showdown at Centerpoint from the Corellian Trilogy) when I was little, and it didn't make much sense to me (I think it was the third volume hahaha). The books by Timothy Zahn are by far the best, and arguably the only ones worth reading. His Thrawn Trilogy (Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, and The Last Command) essentially got the EU going, and his follow-up Hand of Thrawn series (Specter of the Past, Vision of the Future) is also pretty good. He has a few other books that are of middling quality that basically have more adventures involving Thrawn in the early years. Other than that, I can only list a handful of the many EU books I read that I actually liked. The fact that I barely remember any of them by name speaks volumes about how memorable they were.
Goodreads seems to like it too, thanks! I'll look into it.
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I always liked the Jacen Solo stuff. I was kind of hoping the movie would be about that 
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On October 22 2015 18:53 Asturas wrote:Since new movie ignores the existence of Expanded Universe, this is nothing more than simply a fan film. Possibly a very good one, but not worth getting too attached to On a more serious note - I lost my interest in SW because Disney murdered EU. One day I will watch EVII, but not in the cinema. I am not enough excited for it. Without EU Star Wars is incredibly empty. You know, only 6 movies and a crappy TV series for kids
Star Wars is 3 movies and a few vidja games.
+ Show Spoiler +Seriously though, people in this thread have got me wanting to read Thrawn. The only Star Wars novel I eve read was Darksaber, which was a wierd book. On the one hand, you had this bizarre, comical, poorly written plot about the Darksaber and stupid Hutts. On the other hand, you had a kinda kickass villain in Daala, who let you really understand what was going on in the heads of the people who really believed in the Empire and all it stood for. She had some seriously badass moments, and was a charismatic voice for pragmatic cruelty. Almost the coolest part was where she basically pulled a Darth Vader on herself after her failures. But the rest of the novel was such shit it kinda obscured the whole thing.
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It's worth picking up the end parts of the Jacen Solo stuff just to watch everything go to hell in a handbasket and the heads start to roll.
(though it's kind of incomprehensible without reading some of the Young Jedi Knights/Yuuzhan Vong stuff)
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I lost interest in the EU when they started the Yuuzhan Vong stuff and never started again. However, the Zahn books were good reads, as was the entire X-wing series by Stackpole and Aaron Allston
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
x-wing series was the shit
thrawn trilogy is what got me (and everybody else) into EU
new jedi books were good
the YZV stuff was really good but damn it took a lot of books to get through
never really much from 30+ ABY, but that's because i really disliked jacen's character. fuck you for killing MJ
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Got my places, December 16 at 10AM, so hyped for this
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That Jar Jar trailer was really funny
Onto the EU back again, if some of you guys wants to know what happens but don't want to go through purchasing of 2186483 billions of different books, I can only recommand that you go on Wookieepedia.
Amazing Star Wars wiki, and you can catch up to all the series that you want. That's how I followed the EU going when I was short on money/fed up. Just get the name of a character you want to read about, read the article and then right-click/open-in-a-new-tab to death every other thing you want to know about.
WARNING : It can be a little bit time consuming. (like, you can spend 5-6 hours without even noticing anything)
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On October 24 2015 17:35 SkrollK wrote:That Jar Jar trailer was really funny Onto the EU back again, if some of you guys wants to know what happens but don't want to go through purchasing of 2186483 billions of different books, I can only recommand that you go on Wookieepedia. Amazing Star Wars wiki, and you can catch up to all the series that you want. That's how I followed the EU going when I was short on money/fed up. Just get the name of a character you want to read about, read the article and then right-click/open-in-a-new-tab to death every other thing you want to know about. WARNING : It can be a little bit time consuming. (like, you can spend 5-6 hours without even noticing anything)
I did exactly that several times :D.
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
HAHAHA JAR JAR
Wookieepedia is the fukn shit m8s go read it
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wookiepedia is information overload
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The plot summary of Wookieepedia seemed pretty enticing the first time I got into EU.
Now, it all just seems like a mish-mash of poorly thought out ideas that are about as good as fanfics. I wouldn't mind wiping it and starting fresh.
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
That's why this shit is all LEGENDS now
they used to have better quality/edit control
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