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We made a thread specifically for Episode 8 now, let us head over to that one
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/entertainment/521373-star-wars-episode-viii-the-last-jedi
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 21:47:52
April 18 2013 21:47 GMT
#1001
On April 19 2013 04:40 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 04:27 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Either they will completely lock Lucas out of the process, or the movies will suck, horribly.

Bringing Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher back? Yeah... they're gonna suck.

They should just redo the prequels tbh. Get rid of all the bullshit like:

Anakin being some prophesied chosen one, medicloreans, the Jedi being a goddamn gumba hit-squad, the Emperor being George W. Bush, the Sith being right if you really think about it, all the economic knowledge of a freshman in high school, Qui Gon Jin existing, Obi Wan being an idiot, Anakin ever being a "great guy", Padme being Natalie Portman, Leia being an idiot and thinking Luke is referring to her adopted mom, Yoda even being in the damn series except maybe as a side character who is on Degoba, not on the goddamn council, and NOT a lightsaber master, the Emperor ever touching a lightsaber except in disgust at it's crudity, baby Greedo, Jar-Jar Binks, R2-D2 and C3PO being anywhere near the series except maybe as a small cameo, Anakin being a bitch, the Jedi being some huge group that includes stealing babies from their parents, children being Jedi, there being more than like... thirty Jedi in the whole fucking galaxy, technology somehow being better, a happy, lightheaded tone (4,5,6 are the redemption tale, 1,2,3 are a fallen hero tale, they should be darker), and anything else I may have missed. Oh yeah, no Jew-Fly or any other heavy-handed racism.

But unfortunately, if they ommitted all that bullshit, then we might end up with a good prequel story. God forbid that!


Childen being jedi annoys you ? It's pretty damn clear they were always trained since they were children in the lore. How do you find that "bullshit" ? Not to speak about the heavy handed racism which i am just astonished. Or reasons like Padme being Natalie Portman. Yoda to Dagobah ? :O

I mean, i agree with some, but most of you are talking about is either the writing was bad (and to be honest, re-making them, is not fucking worth it), the acting was bad, the specific lore is bad or you just hating on characters. Why not just, scrap the idea and move forward towards something new ?

The lore is largely stupid. I like the books as much as the next geek, but dammit all the idea of getting children and training them to be Jedi is not only ridiculous, it's offensive. Dude, Jar Jar and the Jew-Fly slave-owner were racist as shit, ok? Let's be serious now.

Natalie Portman is just a horrible actress in general and was even worse in those movies.

Yoda being in the Jedi council is just dumb. He's seven hundred years old for god's sake, what reason could they possibly have had to have him be some huge influential player in the rise of the Empire, fall of Anakin, only to never once be mentioned by either the Emperor or Darth Vader... ever? It's ridiculous. He would be the most hunted person in existence.

The writing was terrible, but that's because Lucas wrote them. The directing was abysmal, again Lucas' fault. The acting was atrocious in most cases (Ewan was okay, Liam Nieson was okay... with what they got which was jack shit), but again Lucas. The lore was pathetic, again Lucas. The characters were largely asinine or ruined... again, Lucas. basically, redoing them would be a good idea.... as long as you get someone who actually knows how to make movies and tell stories and isn't married to the stupid parts of the books.
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
Craze
Profile Joined July 2010
United States561 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 21:53:32
April 18 2013 21:50 GMT
#1002
On April 19 2013 04:58 Andr3 wrote:
I'd love to see a story about Exar Kun, he was probably the most powerful Sith in terms of how long he survived and caused so much devastation.

Anything but the continuation of SW movies would be good imo.


Dude... The Immortal Emperor, come on . http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_Emperor

superfan: I think you need to remember that while Lucas has made many, many mistakes he also built the world you seem to be so passionate about. So while the movies may have some stupid parts (of which I think you are exaggerating) he built a brilliant universe. Now hopefully it is in the hands of those who can do a better job managing the story of said universe, just as Del Ray authors did with the books.
imJealous
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1382 Posts
April 18 2013 22:05 GMT
#1003
On April 18 2013 09:37 Praetorial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 09:34 lost_artz wrote:
In a presentation Wednesday at CinemaCon, the annual meeting of the National Theater Owners Association, Disney representatives unveiled some big plans for the "Star Wars" franchise after purchasing Lucasfilm for $4 billion. While it's well known that "Star Wars: Episode VII" is in the works and poised for release in the summer of 2015, Disney is saying after that, fans can expect a new "Star Wars" movie every summer for at least five years, with installments in the official series alternating with stand-alone films that will focus on well-loved characters in the "Star Wars" universe.

That means six "Star Wars" movies between 2015 and 2020. That's a lot of lightsabers.

source: http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/disney-uses-force-star-wars-movies-annually-starting-202436926.html
---
Edit

In other semi-related news: http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/richard-leparmentier-general-motti-star-wars-dies-66-153130730.html


Oh god yearly releases.

I have a very bad feeling about that, but who knows?

I dunno man, it's worked out great for the call of duty franchise AMIRITE?!
... In life very little goes right. "Right" meaning the way one expected and the way one wanted it. One has no right to want or expect anything.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
April 18 2013 22:41 GMT
#1004
On April 19 2013 06:47 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 04:40 Godwrath wrote:
On April 19 2013 04:27 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Either they will completely lock Lucas out of the process, or the movies will suck, horribly.

Bringing Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher back? Yeah... they're gonna suck.

They should just redo the prequels tbh. Get rid of all the bullshit like:

Anakin being some prophesied chosen one, medicloreans, the Jedi being a goddamn gumba hit-squad, the Emperor being George W. Bush, the Sith being right if you really think about it, all the economic knowledge of a freshman in high school, Qui Gon Jin existing, Obi Wan being an idiot, Anakin ever being a "great guy", Padme being Natalie Portman, Leia being an idiot and thinking Luke is referring to her adopted mom, Yoda even being in the damn series except maybe as a side character who is on Degoba, not on the goddamn council, and NOT a lightsaber master, the Emperor ever touching a lightsaber except in disgust at it's crudity, baby Greedo, Jar-Jar Binks, R2-D2 and C3PO being anywhere near the series except maybe as a small cameo, Anakin being a bitch, the Jedi being some huge group that includes stealing babies from their parents, children being Jedi, there being more than like... thirty Jedi in the whole fucking galaxy, technology somehow being better, a happy, lightheaded tone (4,5,6 are the redemption tale, 1,2,3 are a fallen hero tale, they should be darker), and anything else I may have missed. Oh yeah, no Jew-Fly or any other heavy-handed racism.

But unfortunately, if they ommitted all that bullshit, then we might end up with a good prequel story. God forbid that!


Childen being jedi annoys you ? It's pretty damn clear they were always trained since they were children in the lore. How do you find that "bullshit" ? Not to speak about the heavy handed racism which i am just astonished. Or reasons like Padme being Natalie Portman. Yoda to Dagobah ? :O

I mean, i agree with some, but most of you are talking about is either the writing was bad (and to be honest, re-making them, is not fucking worth it), the acting was bad, the specific lore is bad or you just hating on characters. Why not just, scrap the idea and move forward towards something new ?

The lore is largely stupid. I like the books as much as the next geek, but dammit all the idea of getting children and training them to be Jedi is not only ridiculous, it's offensive. Dude, Jar Jar and the Jew-Fly slave-owner were racist as shit, ok? Let's be serious now.

Natalie Portman is just a horrible actress in general and was even worse in those movies.

Yoda being in the Jedi council is just dumb. He's seven hundred years old for god's sake, what reason could they possibly have had to have him be some huge influential player in the rise of the Empire, fall of Anakin, only to never once be mentioned by either the Emperor or Darth Vader... ever? It's ridiculous. He would be the most hunted person in existence.

The writing was terrible, but that's because Lucas wrote them. The directing was abysmal, again Lucas' fault. The acting was atrocious in most cases (Ewan was okay, Liam Nieson was okay... with what they got which was jack shit), but again Lucas. The lore was pathetic, again Lucas. The characters were largely asinine or ruined... again, Lucas. basically, redoing them would be a good idea.... as long as you get someone who actually knows how to make movies and tell stories and isn't married to the stupid parts of the books.


I don't disagree with you about lore being horrible and the writing even more. And not to speak about some of the actors. But those points baffled me, specially the children and the racists ones. That i still fail to acknowledge as ridiculous. I guess it is because i don't feel the need to associate them with things from our world.

I still don't feel a need for a remake, but just move on and hope for better use of star wars expanded universe which may have some better gems to polish than a story that we already know, no matter how you paint it. And yes , i haven't read the books, except the first one with admiral thrawn :p
white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 23:20:04
April 18 2013 23:19 GMT
#1005
On April 19 2013 07:41 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 06:47 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On April 19 2013 04:40 Godwrath wrote:
On April 19 2013 04:27 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Either they will completely lock Lucas out of the process, or the movies will suck, horribly.

Bringing Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher back? Yeah... they're gonna suck.

They should just redo the prequels tbh. Get rid of all the bullshit like:

Anakin being some prophesied chosen one, medicloreans, the Jedi being a goddamn gumba hit-squad, the Emperor being George W. Bush, the Sith being right if you really think about it, all the economic knowledge of a freshman in high school, Qui Gon Jin existing, Obi Wan being an idiot, Anakin ever being a "great guy", Padme being Natalie Portman, Leia being an idiot and thinking Luke is referring to her adopted mom, Yoda even being in the damn series except maybe as a side character who is on Degoba, not on the goddamn council, and NOT a lightsaber master, the Emperor ever touching a lightsaber except in disgust at it's crudity, baby Greedo, Jar-Jar Binks, R2-D2 and C3PO being anywhere near the series except maybe as a small cameo, Anakin being a bitch, the Jedi being some huge group that includes stealing babies from their parents, children being Jedi, there being more than like... thirty Jedi in the whole fucking galaxy, technology somehow being better, a happy, lightheaded tone (4,5,6 are the redemption tale, 1,2,3 are a fallen hero tale, they should be darker), and anything else I may have missed. Oh yeah, no Jew-Fly or any other heavy-handed racism.

But unfortunately, if they ommitted all that bullshit, then we might end up with a good prequel story. God forbid that!


Childen being jedi annoys you ? It's pretty damn clear they were always trained since they were children in the lore. How do you find that "bullshit" ? Not to speak about the heavy handed racism which i am just astonished. Or reasons like Padme being Natalie Portman. Yoda to Dagobah ? :O

I mean, i agree with some, but most of you are talking about is either the writing was bad (and to be honest, re-making them, is not fucking worth it), the acting was bad, the specific lore is bad or you just hating on characters. Why not just, scrap the idea and move forward towards something new ?

The lore is largely stupid. I like the books as much as the next geek, but dammit all the idea of getting children and training them to be Jedi is not only ridiculous, it's offensive. Dude, Jar Jar and the Jew-Fly slave-owner were racist as shit, ok? Let's be serious now.

Natalie Portman is just a horrible actress in general and was even worse in those movies.

Yoda being in the Jedi council is just dumb. He's seven hundred years old for god's sake, what reason could they possibly have had to have him be some huge influential player in the rise of the Empire, fall of Anakin, only to never once be mentioned by either the Emperor or Darth Vader... ever? It's ridiculous. He would be the most hunted person in existence.

The writing was terrible, but that's because Lucas wrote them. The directing was abysmal, again Lucas' fault. The acting was atrocious in most cases (Ewan was okay, Liam Nieson was okay... with what they got which was jack shit), but again Lucas. The lore was pathetic, again Lucas. The characters were largely asinine or ruined... again, Lucas. basically, redoing them would be a good idea.... as long as you get someone who actually knows how to make movies and tell stories and isn't married to the stupid parts of the books.


I don't disagree with you about lore being horrible and the writing even more. And not to speak about some of the actors. But those points baffled me, specially the children and the racists ones. That i still fail to acknowledge as ridiculous. I guess it is because i don't feel the need to associate them with things from our world.

I still don't feel a need for a remake, but just move on and hope for better use of star wars expanded universe which may have some better gems to polish than a story that we already know, no matter how you paint it. And yes , i haven't read the books, except the first one with admiral thrawn :p


The racism points are actualy legitimate. Watto from episode I stereotypes arabians/middle easterns and his accent totally gives it away. Same with the weird amphibian scholar aliens from the beginning of episode I, who apparantly stereotype asian people. It might have been a subconcious "all the bad guys are non-white" (notice how pretty much every good guy is a caucasian, has caucasian-like appearances, save samuel jackson) effect but lucas still screwed it up as well as the rest of the movies.
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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
April 18 2013 23:30 GMT
#1006
On April 19 2013 08:19 white_horse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 07:41 Godwrath wrote:
On April 19 2013 06:47 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On April 19 2013 04:40 Godwrath wrote:
On April 19 2013 04:27 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Either they will completely lock Lucas out of the process, or the movies will suck, horribly.

Bringing Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher back? Yeah... they're gonna suck.

They should just redo the prequels tbh. Get rid of all the bullshit like:

Anakin being some prophesied chosen one, medicloreans, the Jedi being a goddamn gumba hit-squad, the Emperor being George W. Bush, the Sith being right if you really think about it, all the economic knowledge of a freshman in high school, Qui Gon Jin existing, Obi Wan being an idiot, Anakin ever being a "great guy", Padme being Natalie Portman, Leia being an idiot and thinking Luke is referring to her adopted mom, Yoda even being in the damn series except maybe as a side character who is on Degoba, not on the goddamn council, and NOT a lightsaber master, the Emperor ever touching a lightsaber except in disgust at it's crudity, baby Greedo, Jar-Jar Binks, R2-D2 and C3PO being anywhere near the series except maybe as a small cameo, Anakin being a bitch, the Jedi being some huge group that includes stealing babies from their parents, children being Jedi, there being more than like... thirty Jedi in the whole fucking galaxy, technology somehow being better, a happy, lightheaded tone (4,5,6 are the redemption tale, 1,2,3 are a fallen hero tale, they should be darker), and anything else I may have missed. Oh yeah, no Jew-Fly or any other heavy-handed racism.

But unfortunately, if they ommitted all that bullshit, then we might end up with a good prequel story. God forbid that!


Childen being jedi annoys you ? It's pretty damn clear they were always trained since they were children in the lore. How do you find that "bullshit" ? Not to speak about the heavy handed racism which i am just astonished. Or reasons like Padme being Natalie Portman. Yoda to Dagobah ? :O

I mean, i agree with some, but most of you are talking about is either the writing was bad (and to be honest, re-making them, is not fucking worth it), the acting was bad, the specific lore is bad or you just hating on characters. Why not just, scrap the idea and move forward towards something new ?

The lore is largely stupid. I like the books as much as the next geek, but dammit all the idea of getting children and training them to be Jedi is not only ridiculous, it's offensive. Dude, Jar Jar and the Jew-Fly slave-owner were racist as shit, ok? Let's be serious now.

Natalie Portman is just a horrible actress in general and was even worse in those movies.

Yoda being in the Jedi council is just dumb. He's seven hundred years old for god's sake, what reason could they possibly have had to have him be some huge influential player in the rise of the Empire, fall of Anakin, only to never once be mentioned by either the Emperor or Darth Vader... ever? It's ridiculous. He would be the most hunted person in existence.

The writing was terrible, but that's because Lucas wrote them. The directing was abysmal, again Lucas' fault. The acting was atrocious in most cases (Ewan was okay, Liam Nieson was okay... with what they got which was jack shit), but again Lucas. The lore was pathetic, again Lucas. The characters were largely asinine or ruined... again, Lucas. basically, redoing them would be a good idea.... as long as you get someone who actually knows how to make movies and tell stories and isn't married to the stupid parts of the books.


I don't disagree with you about lore being horrible and the writing even more. And not to speak about some of the actors. But those points baffled me, specially the children and the racists ones. That i still fail to acknowledge as ridiculous. I guess it is because i don't feel the need to associate them with things from our world.

I still don't feel a need for a remake, but just move on and hope for better use of star wars expanded universe which may have some better gems to polish than a story that we already know, no matter how you paint it. And yes , i haven't read the books, except the first one with admiral thrawn :p


The racism points are actualy legitimate. Watto from episode I stereotypes arabians/middle easterns and his accent totally gives it away. Same with the weird amphibian scholar aliens from the beginning of episode I, who apparantly stereotype asian people. It might have been a subconcious "all the bad guys are non-white" (notice how pretty much every good guy is a caucasian, has caucasian-like appearances, save samuel jackson) effect but lucas still screwed it up as well as the rest of the movies.


Oh well, i will give my thanks to the dubs then. You can get how lost i was after reading that, i was thinking Jar Jar could be a "Jamaican" stereotype for all i knew. But to be fair, Dooku, Sidious and Anakin are caucasian aswell, who are the big bad guys. I think it's more about how almost everyone in star wars is caucasian and that happens to almost every american show/movie (not that i agree with it, but it's not exactly uncommon to call out only Lucas for it).
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 23:34:47
April 18 2013 23:34 GMT
#1007
On April 19 2013 03:25 DonKey_ wrote:
Well I suppose this man presents 1 possibility. Starts at 49 sec.



Know we don't usually post pictures out of the SFW thread but this is pretty relevant imo. Spoiler just in case so it's not taking too much screen space. That rant was simply amazing, like seriously, prob a better plot than the new SW films.

+ Show Spoiler +
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 23:36:19
April 18 2013 23:36 GMT
#1008
I would see that movie in a heartbeat. I might not be sober when I go, but I wouldn't even think about it.
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wongfeihung
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States763 Posts
April 18 2013 23:50 GMT
#1009
On April 19 2013 07:05 imJealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 09:37 Praetorial wrote:
On April 18 2013 09:34 lost_artz wrote:
In a presentation Wednesday at CinemaCon, the annual meeting of the National Theater Owners Association, Disney representatives unveiled some big plans for the "Star Wars" franchise after purchasing Lucasfilm for $4 billion. While it's well known that "Star Wars: Episode VII" is in the works and poised for release in the summer of 2015, Disney is saying after that, fans can expect a new "Star Wars" movie every summer for at least five years, with installments in the official series alternating with stand-alone films that will focus on well-loved characters in the "Star Wars" universe.

That means six "Star Wars" movies between 2015 and 2020. That's a lot of lightsabers.

source: http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/disney-uses-force-star-wars-movies-annually-starting-202436926.html
---
Edit

In other semi-related news: http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/richard-leparmentier-general-motti-star-wars-dies-66-153130730.html


Oh god yearly releases.

I have a very bad feeling about that, but who knows?

I dunno man, it's worked out great for the call of duty franchise AMIRITE?!

Yearly releases aren't necessarily bad. Take the Lord of the Rings trilogy for example. The LotR films were released in consecutive years, but were fantastic movies. Everything was filmed at once, then each had an entire year of post-production. Comparing video games to films is like apples and oranges. That being said, I don't know how they plan on filming the new Star Wars movies. They would have to have a lot of confidence in the success, both commercial and critical, of the next episode.
NicolBolas
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1388 Posts
April 20 2013 11:33 GMT
#1010
On April 19 2013 08:50 wongfeihung wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 07:05 imJealous wrote:
On April 18 2013 09:37 Praetorial wrote:
On April 18 2013 09:34 lost_artz wrote:
In a presentation Wednesday at CinemaCon, the annual meeting of the National Theater Owners Association, Disney representatives unveiled some big plans for the "Star Wars" franchise after purchasing Lucasfilm for $4 billion. While it's well known that "Star Wars: Episode VII" is in the works and poised for release in the summer of 2015, Disney is saying after that, fans can expect a new "Star Wars" movie every summer for at least five years, with installments in the official series alternating with stand-alone films that will focus on well-loved characters in the "Star Wars" universe.

That means six "Star Wars" movies between 2015 and 2020. That's a lot of lightsabers.

source: http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/disney-uses-force-star-wars-movies-annually-starting-202436926.html
---
Edit

In other semi-related news: http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/richard-leparmentier-general-motti-star-wars-dies-66-153130730.html


Oh god yearly releases.

I have a very bad feeling about that, but who knows?

I dunno man, it's worked out great for the call of duty franchise AMIRITE?!

Yearly releases aren't necessarily bad. Take the Lord of the Rings trilogy for example. The LotR films were released in consecutive years, but were fantastic movies. Everything was filmed at once, then each had an entire year of post-production. Comparing video games to films is like apples and oranges. That being said, I don't know how they plan on filming the new Star Wars movies. They would have to have a lot of confidence in the success, both commercial and critical, of the next episode.


True, but LotR had fifteen months of production time (ie: actors, on set, shooting film) alone. And there were years of pre-production work that went into LotR, and then 3 consecutive years of post-production for each film. Peter Jackson probably spent 7 years total working on those movies.

That's not what's happening here. Their director for Ep7 is just finishing up his current film, so he isn't even heavily involved yet in pre-production of Ep7. Hell, he was just hired a few months ago. So there isn't LotR kinds of time here.

However, what Disney is doing is more like what Activision did with CoD: they split it into two teams. The MW team and the Black Ops team at Treyarch. They're two different developers who release games two years apart. But we get a single CoD game every year due to staggered release schedules. This is also how the Marvel films work: each series has its own production team, and they release films every 2-3 years, in scheduled bits.

That's a much more reasonable development approach than the LotR method, given the relatively limited timescale involved. I'm more concerned about the 2 year release schedule for the mainline "Episode" films.
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ViperPL
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland1775 Posts
April 20 2013 12:18 GMT
#1011
Since Lucas is no longer involved the new Star Wars might actually be pretty good. I'm cautiously optimistic about this whole endeavor, and I can't imagine they will do something more retarded than Jar Jar or midichlorians.
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HeatEXTEND
Profile Joined October 2012
Netherlands836 Posts
April 24 2013 00:27 GMT
#1012
I just realized, princess Leia is a Disney princess now 0.0
knuckle
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 00:35:56
April 24 2013 00:30 GMT
#1013
Can't wait for Kingdom Hearts 3. Going to be hardcore. Cloud + Skywalker + Wreck em Ralph + Iron Man.
OKMarius
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway469 Posts
April 24 2013 00:30 GMT
#1014
On April 19 2013 06:47 sc2superfan101 wrote:Natalie Portman is just a horrible actress in general and was even worse in those movies.


What? Have you seen Black Swan? V For Vendetta? Closer? I'm not a fan, but calling her a horrible actress is just dumb.
TheRealArtemis
Profile Joined October 2011
687 Posts
April 24 2013 00:35 GMT
#1015
On April 24 2013 09:30 OKMarius wrote:
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On April 19 2013 06:47 sc2superfan101 wrote:Natalie Portman is just a horrible actress in general and was even worse in those movies.


What? Have you seen Black Swan? V For Vendetta? Closer? I'm not a fan, but calling her a horrible actress is just dumb.


Black Swan was amazing. But I think its more due to the movies substans, rather her acting abilities.
religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 24 2013 00:36 GMT
#1016
On April 24 2013 09:30 OKMarius wrote:
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On April 19 2013 06:47 sc2superfan101 wrote:Natalie Portman is just a horrible actress in general and was even worse in those movies.


What? Have you seen Black Swan? V For Vendetta? Closer? I'm not a fan, but calling her a horrible actress is just dumb.


It's okay. You and I both know he doesn't know what he's talking about. As for appearing arguably worse in those films as he put it.. well sir, Lucas was never known to be an actor friendly director to begin with.
TheRPGAddict
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1403 Posts
April 24 2013 01:07 GMT
#1017
On April 19 2013 06:47 sc2superfan101 wrote:
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On April 19 2013 04:40 Godwrath wrote:
On April 19 2013 04:27 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Either they will completely lock Lucas out of the process, or the movies will suck, horribly.

Bringing Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher back? Yeah... they're gonna suck.

They should just redo the prequels tbh. Get rid of all the bullshit like:

Anakin being some prophesied chosen one, medicloreans, the Jedi being a goddamn gumba hit-squad, the Emperor being George W. Bush, the Sith being right if you really think about it, all the economic knowledge of a freshman in high school, Qui Gon Jin existing, Obi Wan being an idiot, Anakin ever being a "great guy", Padme being Natalie Portman, Leia being an idiot and thinking Luke is referring to her adopted mom, Yoda even being in the damn series except maybe as a side character who is on Degoba, not on the goddamn council, and NOT a lightsaber master, the Emperor ever touching a lightsaber except in disgust at it's crudity, baby Greedo, Jar-Jar Binks, R2-D2 and C3PO being anywhere near the series except maybe as a small cameo, Anakin being a bitch, the Jedi being some huge group that includes stealing babies from their parents, children being Jedi, there being more than like... thirty Jedi in the whole fucking galaxy, technology somehow being better, a happy, lightheaded tone (4,5,6 are the redemption tale, 1,2,3 are a fallen hero tale, they should be darker), and anything else I may have missed. Oh yeah, no Jew-Fly or any other heavy-handed racism.

But unfortunately, if they ommitted all that bullshit, then we might end up with a good prequel story. God forbid that!


Childen being jedi annoys you ? It's pretty damn clear they were always trained since they were children in the lore. How do you find that "bullshit" ? Not to speak about the heavy handed racism which i am just astonished. Or reasons like Padme being Natalie Portman. Yoda to Dagobah ? :O

I mean, i agree with some, but most of you are talking about is either the writing was bad (and to be honest, re-making them, is not fucking worth it), the acting was bad, the specific lore is bad or you just hating on characters. Why not just, scrap the idea and move forward towards something new ?

The lore is largely stupid. I like the books as much as the next geek, but dammit all the idea of getting children and training them to be Jedi is not only ridiculous, it's offensive. Dude, Jar Jar and the Jew-Fly slave-owner were racist as shit, ok? Let's be serious now.

Natalie Portman is just a horrible actress in general and was even worse in those movies.

Yoda being in the Jedi council is just dumb. He's seven hundred years old for god's sake, what reason could they possibly have had to have him be some huge influential player in the rise of the Empire, fall of Anakin, only to never once be mentioned by either the Emperor or Darth Vader... ever? It's ridiculous. He would be the most hunted person in existence.

The writing was terrible, but that's because Lucas wrote them. The directing was abysmal, again Lucas' fault. The acting was atrocious in most cases (Ewan was okay, Liam Nieson was okay... with what they got which was jack shit), but again Lucas. The lore was pathetic, again Lucas. The characters were largely asinine or ruined... again, Lucas. basically, redoing them would be a good idea.... as long as you get someone who actually knows how to make movies and tell stories and isn't married to the stupid parts of the books.


The acting lineup was as good as you should expect when making a movie. She isn't a bad actress by any stretch. Lucas is just a very shitty actors director on top of the shitty writing of the prequels. You saw this for the worse with all of the actors.
M.R. McThundercrotch
Profile Joined June 2012
United States265 Posts
April 24 2013 03:59 GMT
#1018
On April 19 2013 06:33 Wuster wrote:
It happens in the original trilogy when Luke finds that Jedi scanner that shows your "force potential".


Uh, this is not a thing that happens. All that nonsense comes from the EU or the Prequels.

On April 19 2013 06:47 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 04:40 Godwrath wrote:
On April 19 2013 04:27 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Either they will completely lock Lucas out of the process, or the movies will suck, horribly.

Bringing Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher back? Yeah... they're gonna suck.

They should just redo the prequels tbh. Get rid of all the bullshit like:

Anakin being some prophesied chosen one, medicloreans, the Jedi being a goddamn gumba hit-squad, the Emperor being George W. Bush, the Sith being right if you really think about it, all the economic knowledge of a freshman in high school, Qui Gon Jin existing, Obi Wan being an idiot, Anakin ever being a "great guy", Padme being Natalie Portman, Leia being an idiot and thinking Luke is referring to her adopted mom, Yoda even being in the damn series except maybe as a side character who is on Degoba, not on the goddamn council, and NOT a lightsaber master, the Emperor ever touching a lightsaber except in disgust at it's crudity, baby Greedo, Jar-Jar Binks, R2-D2 and C3PO being anywhere near the series except maybe as a small cameo, Anakin being a bitch, the Jedi being some huge group that includes stealing babies from their parents, children being Jedi, there being more than like... thirty Jedi in the whole fucking galaxy, technology somehow being better, a happy, lightheaded tone (4,5,6 are the redemption tale, 1,2,3 are a fallen hero tale, they should be darker), and anything else I may have missed. Oh yeah, no Jew-Fly or any other heavy-handed racism.

But unfortunately, if they ommitted all that bullshit, then we might end up with a good prequel story. God forbid that!


Childen being jedi annoys you ? It's pretty damn clear they were always trained since they were children in the lore. How do you find that "bullshit" ? Not to speak about the heavy handed racism which i am just astonished. Or reasons like Padme being Natalie Portman. Yoda to Dagobah ? :O

I mean, i agree with some, but most of you are talking about is either the writing was bad (and to be honest, re-making them, is not fucking worth it), the acting was bad, the specific lore is bad or you just hating on characters. Why not just, scrap the idea and move forward towards something new ?



The lore is largely stupid. I like the books as much as the next geek, but dammit all the idea of getting children and training them to be Jedi is not only ridiculous, it's offensive.


Yeah, it is not like there are numerous examples of this all throughout human history or anything, from monks to masons to literally every other profession, except for exactly the thing that I just said.

Yoda being in the Jedi council is just dumb. He's seven hundred years old for god's sake, what reason could they possibly have had to have him be some huge influential player in the rise of the Empire, fall of Anakin, only to never once be mentioned by either the Emperor or Darth Vader... ever? It's ridiculous. He would be the most hunted person in existence.


Uh, the fact that he is hundreds of years old is the exact reason you would have be a huge influential player and the fact that he was so hunted is the reason that he lived a hermits life in a swamp on an uninhabited planet.

The writing was terrible, but that's because Lucas wrote them. The directing was abysmal, again Lucas' fault. The acting was atrocious in most cases (Ewan was okay, Liam Nieson was okay... with what they got which was jack shit), but again Lucas. The lore was pathetic, again Lucas. The characters were largely asinine or ruined... again, Lucas. basically, redoing them would be a good idea.... as long as you get someone who actually knows how to make movies and tell stories and isn't married to the stupid parts of the books.


These are correct.
On June 30 2012 01:42 iNcontroL wrote: Fuck a lot of you. Fuck you forever.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
April 24 2013 19:47 GMT
#1019
On April 24 2013 12:59 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 06:33 Wuster wrote:
It happens in the original trilogy when Luke finds that Jedi scanner that shows your "force potential".


Uh, this is not a thing that happens. All that nonsense comes from the EU or the Prequels.



Context my friend, I was referring to the original Jedi Academy trilogy of books.
HeatEXTEND
Profile Joined October 2012
Netherlands836 Posts
April 24 2013 21:50 GMT
#1020
On April 25 2013 04:47 Wuster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 12:59 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote:
On April 19 2013 06:33 Wuster wrote:
It happens in the original trilogy when Luke finds that Jedi scanner that shows your "force potential".


Uh, this is not a thing that happens. All that nonsense comes from the EU or the Prequels.



Context my friend, I was referring to the original Jedi Academy trilogy of books.


Damn the books. The movies are great, the books, not so much :[.
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