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On December 23 2015 02:33 Volband wrote:
So a villain who is unstable = bad villain? What's a good villain then? xXxDestroyer_Of_LifexXx "I am literally Hitler"?
Imo with Kylo you can see someone becoming the big bad guy, and it's great. We already had Vader once shoved into our faces as "he's very strong and evil, hurr-durr", and Darth Maul being just your regular crazy, silent, ugly dude.
No problem in being unstable. But...
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...he shouldn't be such a whiner all the time. He is on the dark side already, so he can't really be a nice person. It would've been ok if at some point he questions some things he did but actually his dominant attribute in the movie is whiny, he even looks wimpy. That just doesn't work out.
Also he is so fucking incompetent. He loses Poe, then he loses Rey and after that he loses the whole fucking base. And every time he rages like a whiny little kid.
If I was that Snoke guy I wouldn't pick him up from that base. In fact I would kill him and the redhead guy for such failure, trashing such a big investment.
I don't even know how you can rate a movie without any tension that high. The bad guys are just an absolute joke and a complete walkover. Is that really what you want in a movie? Feels like this is Disney Highschool Musical with the "evil" guys just being kinda mean and getting fooled all the time.
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On December 23 2015 03:09 CobaltBlu wrote:
Kylo Ren is a lot like what Anakin should have been in the prequels. He is a young guy with a lot of raw power but he has been mislead down a darker path. He's a tool being used by Snoke (who better to corrupt than the son of the leader of the resistance) and isn't the man with the plan. He would be a way less interesting person if he was totally competent, completely trained and totally in control. I don't think it is a mistake that he looks a bit nerdy and out of his depth with his mask off.
Making him look so young was totally intentional. They wanted that moment of “oh shit, he is just a kid,” to sink in. And the adolescent, uncontrolled rage that he exhibited just drove the point home that he isn’t in control. Extremely dangerous, but not in control.
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On December 23 2015 03:28 TerransHill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 02:33 Volband wrote:
So a villain who is unstable = bad villain? What's a good villain then? xXxDestroyer_Of_LifexXx "I am literally Hitler"?
Imo with Kylo you can see someone becoming the big bad guy, and it's great. We already had Vader once shoved into our faces as "he's very strong and evil, hurr-durr", and Darth Maul being just your regular crazy, silent, ugly dude. No problem in being unstable. But... + Show Spoiler +
...he shouldn't be such a whiner all the time. He is on the dark side already, so he can't really be a nice person. It would've been ok if at some point he questions some things he did but actually his dominant attribute in the movie is whiny, he even looks wimpy. That just doesn't work out.
Also he is so fucking incompetent. He loses Poe, then he loses Rey and after that he loses the whole fucking base. And every time he rages like a whiny little kid.
If I was that Snoke guy I wouldn't pick him up from that base. In fact I would kill him and the redhead guy for such failure, trashing such a big investment.
I don't even know how you can rate a movie without any tension that high. The bad guys are just an absolute joke and a complete walkover. Is that really what you want in a movie? Feels like this is Disney Highschool Musical with the "evil" guys just being kinda mean and getting fooled all the time.
You have to give Kylo a break for some of the fuckups. Most of his mistakes were actually their mistakes, Kylo+the general. They did not like each other at all, and putting them together only did harm to the Order, which is entirely on Snoke' shoulders.
Po only escaped, because the redhed's so called elite troopers had a traitor among their ranks. Kylo did his part capturing him and getting the truth out of him.
Losing Rey was on him, but not even Rey knew how she escaped, let alone Kylo to know how much of a security he needs. We can't just expect him to think "Ah, she is extremely force sensitive, but unpolished. I am sure the moment I step out, she's going to use force persuade, then evade all of these elite troopers!" It's still arguably on him, nonetheless.
The base was, once again, mainly redhead's fault. Kylo is not the one organizing the Order's army, he's more like a trump card, who leads the troops in high priority missions. I can't see him and redhead having a cup of coffee over how they should manage the defense of the base, especially considering the cockiness of the general which rivals even Kylo's.
Kylo was stronger than the ones he was chasing, but he never bothered of using his brain. He wanted to be the (anti-)hero, hunting them off, instead of coming up with a plan, and ultimately, he just could not chase so many people at the same time. The only time he finally cornered them all was at the very end, but by then he was way too wounded. Yeah, you can blame him for these, Vader would never waste so much energy running after them, and he would certainly not tolerate being forced to work with someone like that general. I think the movie made it very obvious at least two times, that "this is the part where Vader would force choke this brat, but Kylo won't." And that's the beauty of it: Kylo just wants to be Vader, and we can watch his trials and errors unfold.
It's perfect for many reasons. One is that it would be just another skin off from Sidious and Vader, if we would suddenly get another extremely smart, extremely powerful, extremely talented sith villain. Not only that is uninspired as hell, but you would have a hard time explaining how did the Order find him. "Oh, Kylo? Yeaaaah, he just, you know, showed up one day." Another reason is that it helped strengthening Finn and Rey into the franchise. Some people are complaining about the fact that Finn lasted a whole minute, and Rey even managed to defeat a quasi dying Kylo. Imagine if Kylo was really the biggest, fastest, darkest of the sith, how could you ever have a face off vs the likes of Finn and Rey? The very first time Luke fought with Vader (and I believe he already had some training by then) [Luke] got destroyed. In fact, he got destroyed so much Vader was like "Son, quit your >>I want to be a Jedi<< bullshit and come home. It's getting past curfew anyway." Now, Rey held a lightsaber for the very first time in her life, and the forcel iterally had just awoken in her mid-fight, but she still had no idea how to use it.
As for the whining... why do you want to generalize him as dark side = already a bad guy? Even Vader showed that long-long into being taken over the dark side, the light side can still touch you. And Vader was a mature man, unlike Kylo who is simply a determined youngster, much like Rey. He's whining was because he wanted to belong to the dark side, but despite what the prequels taught us, it's not a matter of choice. Just like in real life, saying you are a bad or a good guy does not make you instantly that. His whining was the result of his frustration by himself. Every time he was being reminded, that he is far from being the legendary Darth Vader, and the Light side calling him was just insult to injury. By killing Han, he came to terms with his true identity once and for all, and I am confident that we won't see much from whiny Ren in episode VIII anymore.
Maybe I'm fanboying too much, and indeed Kylo was just way too incompetent for no reason, but I don't see why couldn't we meet halfway in this.
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Rey will turn to the dark side. Kylo will save the galaxy from her, thus making Han's dying gesture being the most important and pivotal moment in the entire trilogy.
You heard it here first.
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On December 23 2015 04:59 Manit0u wrote:
Rey will turn to the dark side. Kylo will save the galaxy from her, thus making Han's dying gesture being the most important and pivotal moment in the entire trilogy.
You heard it here first.
I only saw the movie once, so I can't remember: did Rey had any time to think about whether to finish Kylo off or not? They could introduce a dark side temptation right there, to tease it a little, though given how Kylo needs to be disciplined on the way of the sith, I don't think such a temptation will be needed in this trilogy on Rey.
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Finally saw The Force Awakens today. I didn't really mind the similarity of the plot compared to the OT. Some of the lines and details seemed straight up reuse though. And could have lived without yet another super weapon with an obvious weak spot. At least the major flaws of the prequel trilogy were nowhere to be seen.
TFA was somewhat too conservative though. The lack of new ideas has of course already been discussed, including quite eloquently at the end of the Vulture review of TFA. Hopefully we'll see some more ambitious plotting in episodes VIII and IX.
Even considering the unoriginal plot: 9 / 10, will see again.
As for physics: In general I've found that in sci-fi movies it's best to think that the speed of light is infinite -- that is unless you need to go faster than light (or "jump to lightspeed" in SW terminology). Then it has some random high value. And SW is more space fantasy than sci-fi even.
(BTW anyone missing great, hard sci-fi should check out The Expanse, there's even a thread.)
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On December 23 2015 04:45 Volband wrote:
You have to give Kylo a break for some of the fuckups......
wow,thats alot of text, but I will try to answer.
I get what you are saying but they could just have made his insecurity more subtle, like only a small moment of doubt. This would've been way more interesting, since he would've remained a more mysterious and respected character while still adding some depths and inner conflict.
In the movie his feeling were thrown too much into your face, which takes away all the threat instantly and makes him just seem weak. Which makes you ask why he was even chosen by Snoke in the first place.
Also I agree on "getting evil" is a longer process, but as far as I am concerned he already made his choice by joining the dark side in the first place (so what ever fucked him up already happened before that). After that he also seems to have been trained by Snoke for a while (enough that Snoke puts him in a leading position) and he still struggles with himself, doesn't seem logical to me.
Having an insecure bad guy really hurts a movie. Maybe it would have worked if he wasn't the main villain, but with a Sithmaster who is in charge and trains him. This would've given this film a better villain and Kylos role would've been more believeable. Then maybe his master dies and he is ready to take over in Episodes 8, now "hardened".
On December 23 2015 05:05 Volband wrote:
I only saw the movie once, so I can't remember: did Rey had any time to think about whether to finish Kylo off or not? They could introduce a dark side temptation right there, to tease it a little, though given how Kylo needs to be disciplined on the way of the sith, I don't think such a temptation will be needed in this trilogy on Rey.
As far as I remember she thought about it but right that moment the earth split between them (how convenient).
I sure wish she did 
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On December 23 2015 03:36 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 03:09 CobaltBlu wrote:
Kylo Ren is a lot like what Anakin should have been in the prequels. He is a young guy with a lot of raw power but he has been mislead down a darker path. He's a tool being used by Snoke (who better to corrupt than the son of the leader of the resistance) and isn't the man with the plan. He would be a way less interesting person if he was totally competent, completely trained and totally in control. I don't think it is a mistake that he looks a bit nerdy and out of his depth with his mask off. Making him look so young was totally intentional. They wanted that moment of “oh shit, he is just a kid,” to sink in. And the adolescent, uncontrolled rage that he exhibited just drove the point home that he isn’t in control. Extremely dangerous, but not in control.
Puberty doesn't make for a compelling villain and that is basically all that Ren is. He is a kid rebelling against his parents by doing drugs(dark side).
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On December 23 2015 06:05 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 03:36 Plansix wrote:On December 23 2015 03:09 CobaltBlu wrote:
Kylo Ren is a lot like what Anakin should have been in the prequels. He is a young guy with a lot of raw power but he has been mislead down a darker path. He's a tool being used by Snoke (who better to corrupt than the son of the leader of the resistance) and isn't the man with the plan. He would be a way less interesting person if he was totally competent, completely trained and totally in control. I don't think it is a mistake that he looks a bit nerdy and out of his depth with his mask off. Making him look so young was totally intentional. They wanted that moment of “oh shit, he is just a kid,” to sink in. And the adolescent, uncontrolled rage that he exhibited just drove the point home that he isn’t in control. Extremely dangerous, but not in control. Puberty doesn't make for a compelling villain and that is basically all that Ren is. He is a kid rebelling against his parents by doing drugs(dark side).
I found him compelling and interesting. Especially since the actor is 32, but looks more like he is in his mid 20s in the film. He looks slightly older that Rey.
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On December 23 2015 06:10 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 06:05 Gorsameth wrote:On December 23 2015 03:36 Plansix wrote:On December 23 2015 03:09 CobaltBlu wrote:
Kylo Ren is a lot like what Anakin should have been in the prequels. He is a young guy with a lot of raw power but he has been mislead down a darker path. He's a tool being used by Snoke (who better to corrupt than the son of the leader of the resistance) and isn't the man with the plan. He would be a way less interesting person if he was totally competent, completely trained and totally in control. I don't think it is a mistake that he looks a bit nerdy and out of his depth with his mask off. Making him look so young was totally intentional. They wanted that moment of “oh shit, he is just a kid,” to sink in. And the adolescent, uncontrolled rage that he exhibited just drove the point home that he isn’t in control. Extremely dangerous, but not in control. Puberty doesn't make for a compelling villain and that is basically all that Ren is. He is a kid rebelling against his parents by doing drugs(dark side). I found him compelling and interesting. Especially since the actor is 32, but looks more like he is in his mid 20s in the film. He looks slightly older that Rey.
Opinions differ I guess :p I think the main issue for me is that his reveal comes way to early. If he only took off the mask and became a boy when he faces Han it would have made the moment more powerful
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On December 23 2015 06:17 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 06:10 Plansix wrote:On December 23 2015 06:05 Gorsameth wrote:On December 23 2015 03:36 Plansix wrote:On December 23 2015 03:09 CobaltBlu wrote:
Kylo Ren is a lot like what Anakin should have been in the prequels. He is a young guy with a lot of raw power but he has been mislead down a darker path. He's a tool being used by Snoke (who better to corrupt than the son of the leader of the resistance) and isn't the man with the plan. He would be a way less interesting person if he was totally competent, completely trained and totally in control. I don't think it is a mistake that he looks a bit nerdy and out of his depth with his mask off. Making him look so young was totally intentional. They wanted that moment of “oh shit, he is just a kid,” to sink in. And the adolescent, uncontrolled rage that he exhibited just drove the point home that he isn’t in control. Extremely dangerous, but not in control. Puberty doesn't make for a compelling villain and that is basically all that Ren is. He is a kid rebelling against his parents by doing drugs(dark side). I found him compelling and interesting. Especially since the actor is 32, but looks more like he is in his mid 20s in the film. He looks slightly older that Rey. Opinions differ I guess :p I think the main issue for me is that his reveal comes way to early. If he only took off the mask and became a boy when he faces Han it would have made the moment more powerful
In general, masks get in the way of acting. Vader is the rare exception to this rule. The scene where he and Rey get into the mental struggle wouldn't have worked with the mask on, since all of that is carried by the actors themselves.
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On December 23 2015 05:05 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 04:59 Manit0u wrote:
Rey will turn to the dark side. Kylo will save the galaxy from her, thus making Han's dying gesture being the most important and pivotal moment in the entire trilogy.
You heard it here first. I only saw the movie once, so I can't remember: did Rey had any time to think about whether to finish Kylo off or not? They could introduce a dark side temptation right there, to tease it a little, though given how Kylo needs to be disciplined on the way of the sith, I don't think such a temptation will be needed in this trilogy on Rey.
She had the opportunity several times during the fight. Also when the ground broke down they suddenly appeared far more apart from each other then in the scene before without having anyone of them actually moving. I thought that was quite hilarious.
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Cinema I went to must have fucked up and accidentally played A New Hope when I went to see The Force Awakens.
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On December 23 2015 06:05 TerransHill wrote:
Having an insecure bad guy really hurts a movie. Maybe it would have worked if he wasn't the main villain, but with a Sithmaster who is in charge and trains him. This would've given this film a better villain and Kylos role would've been more believeable. Then maybe his master dies and he is ready to take over in Episodes 8, now "hardened".
It's a bit unfair judging a villain of a trilogy by one episode only. Darth Maul was a villain for only one episode, yet all he did until the final fight was looking threatening. Maybe you'll only like him as a villain in Ep8 and 9, but killing Han is definitely reason for many fan to despise him. I for one was all giddy and "woaaah" that part, but after that... man, I was devastated. I want Rey to dual-blade that mofo's ass so badly now!!
On December 23 2015 07:16 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 05:05 Volband wrote:On December 23 2015 04:59 Manit0u wrote:
Rey will turn to the dark side. Kylo will save the galaxy from her, thus making Han's dying gesture being the most important and pivotal moment in the entire trilogy.
You heard it here first. I only saw the movie once, so I can't remember: did Rey had any time to think about whether to finish Kylo off or not? They could introduce a dark side temptation right there, to tease it a little, though given how Kylo needs to be disciplined on the way of the sith, I don't think such a temptation will be needed in this trilogy on Rey. She had the opportunity several times during the fight. Also when the ground broke down they suddenly appeared far more apart from each other then in the scene before without having anyone of them actually moving. I thought that was quite hilarious.
Ah, this! That was a really bad blunder.
On December 23 2015 07:19 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Cinema I went to must have fucked up and accidentally played A New Hope when I went to see The Force Awakens.
Don't say you didn't like Luke's ass more in this one!
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On December 23 2015 03:28 TerransHill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 02:33 Volband wrote:
So a villain who is unstable = bad villain? What's a good villain then? xXxDestroyer_Of_LifexXx "I am literally Hitler"?
Imo with Kylo you can see someone becoming the big bad guy, and it's great. We already had Vader once shoved into our faces as "he's very strong and evil, hurr-durr", and Darth Maul being just your regular crazy, silent, ugly dude. No problem in being unstable. But... + Show Spoiler +
...he shouldn't be such a whiner all the time. He is on the dark side already, so he can't really be a nice person. It would've been ok if at some point he questions some things he did but actually his dominant attribute in the movie is whiny, he even looks wimpy. That just doesn't work out.
Also he is so fucking incompetent. He loses Poe, then he loses Rey and after that he loses the whole fucking base. And every time he rages like a whiny little kid.
If I was that Snoke guy I wouldn't pick him up from that base. In fact I would kill him and the redhead guy for such failure, trashing such a big investment.
I don't even know how you can rate a movie without any tension that high. The bad guys are just an absolute joke and a complete walkover. Is that really what you want in a movie? Feels like this is Disney Highschool Musical with the "evil" guys just being kinda mean and getting fooled all the time.
Agree with you, besides the incoherence in his power was just absolutely stupid, from OP to a fucking sparring of a new force sensitive, the guy is a joke, he went downhill after that easy joke of the two stormtroopers going back when he rages, the idea of unbalanced, unstable guy is good, the development of the character in the movie has not sense and is bad, even worse than the deathstar, I read that he wanted to be saved, the guy who wrote that even saw the movie?, he killed Han only to remove an obstacle in his mind to become real evil (he should have turned more powerful),but instead he was turned in a sissy fighter.
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On December 23 2015 07:45 palexhur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 03:28 TerransHill wrote:On December 23 2015 02:33 Volband wrote:
So a villain who is unstable = bad villain? What's a good villain then? xXxDestroyer_Of_LifexXx "I am literally Hitler"?
Imo with Kylo you can see someone becoming the big bad guy, and it's great. We already had Vader once shoved into our faces as "he's very strong and evil, hurr-durr", and Darth Maul being just your regular crazy, silent, ugly dude. No problem in being unstable. But... + Show Spoiler +
...he shouldn't be such a whiner all the time. He is on the dark side already, so he can't really be a nice person. It would've been ok if at some point he questions some things he did but actually his dominant attribute in the movie is whiny, he even looks wimpy. That just doesn't work out.
Also he is so fucking incompetent. He loses Poe, then he loses Rey and after that he loses the whole fucking base. And every time he rages like a whiny little kid.
If I was that Snoke guy I wouldn't pick him up from that base. In fact I would kill him and the redhead guy for such failure, trashing such a big investment.
I don't even know how you can rate a movie without any tension that high. The bad guys are just an absolute joke and a complete walkover. Is that really what you want in a movie? Feels like this is Disney Highschool Musical with the "evil" guys just being kinda mean and getting fooled all the time.
Agree with you, besides the incoherence in his power was just absolutely stupid, from OP to a fucking sparring of a new force sensitive, the guy is a joke, he went downhill after that easy joke of the two stormtroopers going back when he rages, the idea of unbalanced, unstable guy is good, the development of the character in the movie has not sense and is bad, even worse than the deathstar, I read that he wanted to be saved, the guy who wrote that even saw the movie?, he killed Han only to remove an obstacle in his mind to become real evil (he should have turned more powerful),but instead he was turned in a sissy fighter.
Kylo was never OP. He just looked like he was super strong because he haven't encountered any real Jedis or force users before Rey. All person surrounding him were all normal beings thats why he looked strong. 1.) old guy 2.)Poe , That is why he was shocked and reported it to Snoke when someone resisted him.
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On December 23 2015 07:53 shin_toss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 07:45 palexhur wrote:On December 23 2015 03:28 TerransHill wrote:On December 23 2015 02:33 Volband wrote:
So a villain who is unstable = bad villain? What's a good villain then? xXxDestroyer_Of_LifexXx "I am literally Hitler"?
Imo with Kylo you can see someone becoming the big bad guy, and it's great. We already had Vader once shoved into our faces as "he's very strong and evil, hurr-durr", and Darth Maul being just your regular crazy, silent, ugly dude. No problem in being unstable. But... + Show Spoiler +
...he shouldn't be such a whiner all the time. He is on the dark side already, so he can't really be a nice person. It would've been ok if at some point he questions some things he did but actually his dominant attribute in the movie is whiny, he even looks wimpy. That just doesn't work out.
Also he is so fucking incompetent. He loses Poe, then he loses Rey and after that he loses the whole fucking base. And every time he rages like a whiny little kid.
If I was that Snoke guy I wouldn't pick him up from that base. In fact I would kill him and the redhead guy for such failure, trashing such a big investment.
I don't even know how you can rate a movie without any tension that high. The bad guys are just an absolute joke and a complete walkover. Is that really what you want in a movie? Feels like this is Disney Highschool Musical with the "evil" guys just being kinda mean and getting fooled all the time.
Agree with you, besides the incoherence in his power was just absolutely stupid, from OP to a fucking sparring of a new force sensitive, the guy is a joke, he went downhill after that easy joke of the two stormtroopers going back when he rages, the idea of unbalanced, unstable guy is good, the development of the character in the movie has not sense and is bad, even worse than the deathstar, I read that he wanted to be saved, the guy who wrote that even saw the movie?, he killed Han only to remove an obstacle in his mind to become real evil (he should have turned more powerful),but instead he was turned in a sissy fighter. Kylo was never OP. He just looked like he was super strong because he haven't encountered any real Jedis or force users before Rey. All person surrounding him were all normal beings thats why he looked strong. 1.) old guy 2.)Poe , That is why he was shocked and reported it to Snoke when someone resisted him.
So stopping a laser in the air is not OP, ok then i have read and seen the wrong SW series, the other problem is Rey how are they going to make this character interesting? She is Jesus on steroids, they have to make Snoke a God.
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On December 23 2015 07:57 palexhur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 07:53 shin_toss wrote:On December 23 2015 07:45 palexhur wrote:On December 23 2015 03:28 TerransHill wrote:On December 23 2015 02:33 Volband wrote:
So a villain who is unstable = bad villain? What's a good villain then? xXxDestroyer_Of_LifexXx "I am literally Hitler"?
Imo with Kylo you can see someone becoming the big bad guy, and it's great. We already had Vader once shoved into our faces as "he's very strong and evil, hurr-durr", and Darth Maul being just your regular crazy, silent, ugly dude. No problem in being unstable. But... + Show Spoiler +
...he shouldn't be such a whiner all the time. He is on the dark side already, so he can't really be a nice person. It would've been ok if at some point he questions some things he did but actually his dominant attribute in the movie is whiny, he even looks wimpy. That just doesn't work out.
Also he is so fucking incompetent. He loses Poe, then he loses Rey and after that he loses the whole fucking base. And every time he rages like a whiny little kid.
If I was that Snoke guy I wouldn't pick him up from that base. In fact I would kill him and the redhead guy for such failure, trashing such a big investment.
I don't even know how you can rate a movie without any tension that high. The bad guys are just an absolute joke and a complete walkover. Is that really what you want in a movie? Feels like this is Disney Highschool Musical with the "evil" guys just being kinda mean and getting fooled all the time.
Agree with you, besides the incoherence in his power was just absolutely stupid, from OP to a fucking sparring of a new force sensitive, the guy is a joke, he went downhill after that easy joke of the two stormtroopers going back when he rages, the idea of unbalanced, unstable guy is good, the development of the character in the movie has not sense and is bad, even worse than the deathstar, I read that he wanted to be saved, the guy who wrote that even saw the movie?, he killed Han only to remove an obstacle in his mind to become real evil (he should have turned more powerful),but instead he was turned in a sissy fighter. Kylo was never OP. He just looked like he was super strong because he haven't encountered any real Jedis or force users before Rey. All person surrounding him were all normal beings thats why he looked strong. 1.) old guy 2.)Poe , That is why he was shocked and reported it to Snoke when someone resisted him. So stopping a laser in the air is not OP, ok then i have read and seen the wrong SW series, the other problem is Rey how are they going to make this character interesting? She is Jesus on steroids, they have to make Snoke a God.
Out of all of them I would call Rey the most 'fine' character there is. Her duel with Ren (why are those names so alike) makes sense because he lacks training and is wounded and she has raw power. Her natural nack for flying is the force, like it was for Anakin. Her knowledge of technologies is overplayed tho. Didnt have to keep shoving that in our face.
Plus she is the main character in a movie not called Game of Thrones. She is never going to die and any setback is temporary anyway.
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On December 23 2015 07:23 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 06:05 TerransHill wrote:
Having an insecure bad guy really hurts a movie. Maybe it would have worked if he wasn't the main villain, but with a Sithmaster who is in charge and trains him. This would've given this film a better villain and Kylos role would've been more believeable. Then maybe his master dies and he is ready to take over in Episodes 8, now "hardened".
It's a bit unfair judging a villain of a trilogy by one episode only. Darth Maul was a villain for only one episode, yet all he did until the final fight was looking threatening. Maybe you'll only like him as a villain in Ep8 and 9, but killing Han is definitely reason for many fan to despise him. I for one was all giddy and "woaaah" that part, but after that... man, I was devastated. I want Rey to dual-blade that mofo's ass so badly now!!
But a trilogy for me consists of 3 good movies. We only know Episode 7 so far and this particular movie got ruined for me because the villain is such a joke.
I also don't even think that he'll get better in the next movie. First impression usually counts the most and he failed so hard in that matter.
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How is the villain a joke? I simply cannot understand this pov. Did we watch the same movie?
The villain needs to be evil and shouldn't show any emotions other than anger? Is that the problem here?
Did you think the prequels had good villains?
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