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On December 22 2015 11:41 shin_toss wrote:
Hey just wondering why the New Republic is not backing up The Resistance during battles. Like first hand military involvement.
Look at the battles in the movie.
+ Show Spoiler +First up we have the fight at the cantina building that resulted from both sides receiving intel on BB-8s location at around the same time. The First Order did not send a large contingent of forces to the planet. A couple of dropships and a squad of TIE Fighters. Conversely the Resistance didn't really send alot either. 7-8 X-Wings and one Dropship of troops. These are all troops that were most likely nearby. Given the chaotic unorganized nature of that battle it's reasonable to assume that both sides got the intel and immediately deployed and created whatever plan they had on the way. Even if the New Republic wanted to, they didn't have an informant in the building and thus, didn't know it was going to happen. NR troops also would have not bothered passing the intell off because they wanted to react faster to the intel than the First Order.
The other major battle between the Resistance and The First Order is nothing short of a hilarious joke. 3 guys on the ground (4 after they save Rey) and like 15 X-Wings attack Death Star 3.0 and it's legions on the ground and who knows how many TIEs in hangers. You'd think the organization that lost 2 death stars to X-Wing attacks would learn to deploy everything in defence but nope. They matched up 1 to 1 and got obliterated. And somehow the head of the First Order, Phasma decided her life was more important than the shield protecting the battlestation? What? No, that should not have worked.
And the nonchalant nature in which the NR sent that group up against Starkiller Base as if it was an easy task is ridiculous. The New Republic should have been a part of that assault because Leia could easily say "I told you so" while pointing at the exploded system and they would be obligated to provide full military support to the fight against the FO.
Everything about the battle is bad. Absolutely everything
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On December 22 2015 12:55 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 10:22 Random() wrote:
It wasn't even bad, it was just 100% commercial and completely hollow. At least the prequels had something to say. So disappointed. JJ Abrams' forte
This is super comical that the claim is TFA is more commercial than the prequels. Like, do people even know how gerorge Lucas funded all the Star Wars films past the first one.
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On December 22 2015 13:02 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 12:55 Scarecrow wrote:On December 22 2015 10:22 Random() wrote:
It wasn't even bad, it was just 100% commercial and completely hollow. At least the prequels had something to say. So disappointed. JJ Abrams' forte This is super comical that the claim is TFA is more commercial than the prequels. Like, do people even know how gerorge Lucas funded all the Star Wars films past the first one.
With merchandising money.
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I thought it felt rushed and unimaginative. The thing that bothers me the most is just the existence of that gigantic super death planet. First of all, how utterly generic, and secondly, why was a thing like that allowed to be build and/or a surprise to the resistance or Republic. Also, how did they build it, why wasn't it defended better... could go on forever.
Oh well, in the end I didn't cringe or laugh my way (in a bad way) through the entire thing like the prequels, so I guess it's ok.
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On December 22 2015 12:57 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 11:41 shin_toss wrote:
Hey just wondering why the New Republic is not backing up The Resistance during battles. Like first hand military involvement. Look at the battles in the movie. + Show Spoiler +First up we have the fight at the cantina building that resulted from both sides receiving intel on BB-8s location at around the same time. The First Order did not send a large contingent of forces to the planet. A couple of dropships and a squad of TIE Fighters. Conversely the Resistance didn't really send alot either. 7-8 X-Wings and one Dropship of troops. These are all troops that were most likely nearby. Given the chaotic unorganized nature of that battle it's reasonable to assume that both sides got the intel and immediately deployed and created whatever plan they had on the way. Even if the New Republic wanted to, they didn't have an informant in the building and thus, didn't know it was going to happen. NR troops also would have not bothered passing the intell off because they wanted to react faster to the intel than the First Order.
The other major battle between the Resistance and The First Order is nothing short of a hilarious joke. 3 guys on the ground (4 after they save Rey) and like 15 X-Wings attack Death Star 3.0 and it's legions on the ground and who knows how many TIEs in hangers. You'd think the organization that lost 2 death stars to X-Wing attacks would learn to deploy everything in defence but nope. They matched up 1 to 1 and got obliterated. And somehow the head of the First Order, Phasma decided her life was more important than the shield protecting the battlestation? What? No, that should not have worked.
And the nonchalant nature in which the NR sent that group up against Starkiller Base as if it was an easy task is ridiculous. The New Republic should have been a part of that assault because Leia could easily say "I told you so" while pointing at the exploded system and they would be obligated to provide full military support to the fight against the FO.
Everything about the battle is bad. Absolutely everything
+ Show Spoiler +From what I understand, the New Republic and the Resistance are separate, mostly independent entities, with the Resistance being mostly a much smaller, private organization that is only tolerated by the New Republic. Also, it's mentioned a couple times that the New Republic fleet was decimated by the Starkiller base attack, so I assume that they wouldn't have been able to help the Resistance even if they had been in contact and wanted to.
I don't think the political situation of the galaxy was explained very well in the movie, but outside sources do explain it much better:
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I think they should've explained the situation better in the opening crawl instead of leaving bits and pieces throughout the movie.
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On December 22 2015 08:42 Holy_AT wrote:I just saw the movie and I loved, BUT the villains are terrible in my opinion, the look like they came straight out of a harry potter movie ... + Show Spoiler +I mean readhead 25-30 year old commander of a whole planetary destroyer is just WTF..., (and obviously Harrypotter and WTF why??) ![[image loading]](http://gingerparrot.co.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Rupert-Grint-Harry-Potter.jpg) Mrs. Game of thrones running around in silver jewelery armor. ![[image loading]](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/37/a7/5e/37a75e3c04f707e2908bc9b63849aeff.jpg) Kylo Ren: ![[image loading]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b9/Ootp076.jpg) and beholde the supreme leader.... ![[image loading]](http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/image/upload/c_fill,h_576,w_741/t_mp_quality/screenshot-2014-09-17-at-17-57-43-why-these-harry-potter-villains-deserve-your-sympathy-not-hatred-png-136074.jpg) Also, WTF SNOKE is just a stupid name.... I mean really WTF how could they come up with villains that bad. I can shit talk about episodes 1-3 for days but at least they had better villains. The only other thing that I have to criticize is that Rey is a tad too strong... I mean where did she get all those years of training and flying experience to pull her flying stunts off... and she is pretty accurate for someone who obviously isn't used to handeling blasters and also in the fight against Ren she p0wns him (okay he was wounded, but I would have liked if she barely escaped...) They should leave the movie as it is but redo the villain part completly.
Disagree for the most apart. They could of done better with Phasma, give us at least one action shot with her doing work in her introduction movie. Not lounging around lowering the shields to the base.
One of the best parts of the movie and the trilogy as it unfolds is the opposite of Luke Skywalker, Kylo. It was awesome seeing a Sith leader developing into who he is going to be. It was very believable and new rather than just the usual bad guy being fully developed. I loved this it was risky, but worked for me.
Snoke is whatever, to early to tell.
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Kylo is cool, when his mask is on. His face though. Perhaps it was an appropriate reflection of his childish behaviour, but to me, it was just a little bit too goofy looking. Not that he's ugly or anything, just has that goofy looking face.
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On December 22 2015 13:53 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 13:02 Plansix wrote:On December 22 2015 12:55 Scarecrow wrote:On December 22 2015 10:22 Random() wrote:
It wasn't even bad, it was just 100% commercial and completely hollow. At least the prequels had something to say. So disappointed. JJ Abrams' forte This is super comical that the claim is TFA is more commercial than the prequels. Like, do people even know how gerorge Lucas funded all the Star Wars films past the first one. With merchandising money.
![[image loading]](http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/201516/rs_1024x629-150206145720-1024-spaceballs-remake2.jw.2615.jpg)
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On December 22 2015 12:57 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 11:41 shin_toss wrote:
Hey just wondering why the New Republic is not backing up The Resistance during battles. Like first hand military involvement. Look at the battles in the movie. + Show Spoiler +[...] The other major battle between the Resistance and The First Order is nothing short of a hilarious joke. 3 guys on the ground (4 after they save Rey) and like 15 X-Wings attack Death Star 3.0 and it's legions on the ground and who knows how many TIEs in hangers. You'd think the organization that lost 2 death stars to X-Wing attacks would learn to deploy everything in defence but nope. They matched up 1 to 1 and got obliterated. And somehow the head of the First Order, Phasma decided her life was more important than the shield protecting the battlestation? What? No, that should not have worked.
And the nonchalant nature in which the NR sent that group up against Starkiller Base as if it was an easy task is ridiculous. The New Republic should have been a part of that assault because Leia could easily say "I told you so" while pointing at the exploded system and they would be obligated to provide full military support to the fight against the FO.
Everything about the battle is bad. Absolutely everything
Yep, exactly. The fundamentals of many aspects of this movie are extremely shaky.
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On December 22 2015 14:51 XXXSmOke wrote:
One of the best parts of the movie and the trilogy as it unfolds is the opposite of Luke Skywalker, Kylo. It was awesome seeing a Sith leader developing into who he is going to be. It was very believable and new rather than just the usual bad guy being fully developed. I loved this it was risky, but worked for me.
Snoke is whatever, to early to tell.
Kylo Ren is just a Dark Side user, not a Sith. As far as we currently know the Order of the Sith Lords died with the deaths of Darth Sidious and Darth Vader. Whether Snoke is secretly a Sith lord, and with that Kylo an apprentice if currently unknown.
Though I agree that seeing him develop was cool :D
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On December 22 2015 19:13 Manit0u wrote:![[image loading]](http://i1.kwejk.pl/k/obrazki/2015/12/e2b931a5d04c5cee058c7f8473edac71.jpeg)
This is up there with "redneck rage story that even has the incest" reply. lol
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On December 22 2015 08:42 Holy_AT wrote:I just saw the movie and I loved, BUT the villains are terrible in my opinion, the look like they came straight out of a harry potter movie ... + Show Spoiler +I mean readhead 25-30 year old commander of a whole planetary destroyer is just WTF..., (and obviously Harrypotter and WTF why??) Mrs. Game of thrones running around in silver jewelery armor. Kylo Ren: and beholde the supreme leader.... Also, WTF SNOKE is just a stupid name.... I mean really WTF how could they come up with villains that bad. I can shit talk about episodes 1-3 for days but at least they had better villains. The only other thing that I have to criticize is that Rey is a tad too strong... I mean where did she get all those years of training and flying experience to pull her flying stunts off... and she is pretty accurate for someone who obviously isn't used to handeling blasters and also in the fight against Ren she p0wns him (okay he was wounded, but I would have liked if she barely escaped...) They should leave the movie as it is but redo the villain part completly.
Agreed, although I think Kylo is more like Draco Malfoy. That + the final fight killed this movie for me. However, you said that you still loved the movie. I just can't, because those flaws are too essential to still call it a good movie.
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On December 22 2015 15:45 malcram wrote:
Kylo is cool, when his mask is on. His face though. Perhaps it was an appropriate reflection of his childish behaviour, but to me, it was just a little bit too goofy looking. Not that he's ugly or anything, just has that goofy looking face.
when he took off his mask I was like oh my god its Severus Snape!
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"I'll finish what you started"
Man, those new memes are awesome 
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Kylo is a caricature of Vader, Snoke of Sidious, and Phasma of Jango Fett, and the young Red hair boy is just... well is... bad.
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On December 22 2015 15:45 malcram wrote:
Kylo is cool, when his mask is on. His face though. Perhaps it was an appropriate reflection of his childish behaviour, but to me, it was just a little bit too goofy looking. Not that he's ugly or anything, just has that goofy looking face.
I think it was intentional to make him look so youthful. His character is supposed to be conflicted, have uncontrolled anger and exude loneliness and Adam Driver pulls that off. You also have to wonder if he is opposed with finding Luke because he wants to kill his master or he secretly hopes Luke can stop him. You can make similar arguments about Vader and his quest to find Luke.
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On December 22 2015 22:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 15:45 malcram wrote:
Kylo is cool, when his mask is on. His face though. Perhaps it was an appropriate reflection of his childish behaviour, but to me, it was just a little bit too goofy looking. Not that he's ugly or anything, just has that goofy looking face. I think it was intentional to make him look so youthful. His character is supposed to be conflicted, have uncontrolled anger and exude loneliness and Adam Driver pulls that off. You also have to wonder if he is opposed with finding Luke because he wants to kill his master or he secretly hopes Luke can stop him. You can make similar arguments about Vader and his quest to find Luke.
The actor who played him really did an excellent job. I have really felt that Kylo is disturbed on so many levels, like he really feels betrayed by everyone and is really lost in the world. You can definitelly feel that something went wrong in his life and he ended up alone and messed in the head. Great performance. However we should have a more clear villain for the E8 imo as the movie feels beheaded in that regard. Kylo should tell his own story which should be somewhere in the middle of two opposing poles which is the good (resistance) and the evil (empire). Snoke works as a behind the curtain overmind (but please less CGI) but we need a new Darth Vader.
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Damn, I never thought I could love J.J. even more. I saw a little boy and his sister getting some popcorn from their mother before the movie, and all I could think of is that I was about the same age when I first saw Episode IV. Could J.J. bring them the same unparalleled experience which I got back then, thus paving the franchise's way to the youngest of generation who are already capable of watching movies? Oh, yes he could!
While Phantom Menace was also very child-friendly (probably a tad bit too much), there wasn't much beyond that. The pod racing was exciting, Jar-Jar funny, and they probably liked the lightsaber fight at the end, and that's all. After EP IV, everyone pretended to be Luke, Vader or Han, they were so iconic, while everyone in EP1 fell short on that regard. Well, now we have a fucking awesome pilot, a likeable TRAITOOOOR, and the most surprising among them all, a strong-willed, extremely-talented female fighter. Leia was more than capable, but she was overshadowed by Han, the Jedis and the Siths, and Padme was written so fucking badly, I honestly have no idea how Natalie Portman could accept the role; pure disgrace. Now, here's Rey who gets shit done, much like Han in the original trilogy. She's going to attract many people from the female audience.
And how did they find such a good actress?! Fin was a bit out of place sometimes, Poe did not have that much air time (though he was good imo), but Rey was just woow. She was extremely believable, and one of my favorite scenes with her is when she's trying to force persuade the stormtrooper. It's not an easy task to act out a scene, where you have to be both confident you can do something, while remaining believable that you actually have no idea what you are doing.
Don't forget about Dre Kylo either. I'm so glad they did not try to top Vader off with him in this episode, it would've been a catastrophe. Instead, we've got something we haven't seen before. I'm sure it's been discussed to death already, so all I'm going to say it's really refreshing that someone is being tempted by the light side. I like how he has immense potential, as shown by the scene where he stops a blaster shot mid air, but he is also his own worst enemy. We can actually see a villain evolve into his full potential in episode VIII and IX simultaneously with a Jedi. Can't even understand how some people go as far as rating the prequels above this, where Anakin was suddenly "Imma so mad now, Imma kill everyone. Did I mention I'm mad? Angry. Anger in me. Argh!". Who knows, maybe you guys just enjoyed those senate parts so much that somehow it was still better than Ep VII.
Starkiller is very lame, pointless to even try to defend it, that is homage done wrong. It also baffles me how they can't make a 2 hours+ movie at least 5 minutes longer, so that we can have a scene where people sit down a little (not in a cantine) and just... just be relaxed. I am perfectly fine with Ep VIII explaining all the political and historical stuff, just include a fucking break, so we can get even closer to the new characters.This is why I can only give a 9 out of 10.
One thing I did not understand however, is why there were only X-wings? You are attacking a base on a planet and you don't even bring Y-wings to the battles??!! I know they are going to top off the space and lightsaber (and we'll probbaly have ground as well) battles in the next episodes, so they did not want to go full out, but come on... at least bring two and say these were the only ones they could get ready in time or something. That annoyed me more than anything.
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On December 22 2015 22:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 15:45 malcram wrote:
Kylo is cool, when his mask is on. His face though. Perhaps it was an appropriate reflection of his childish behaviour, but to me, it was just a little bit too goofy looking. Not that he's ugly or anything, just has that goofy looking face. I think it was intentional to make him look so youthful. His character is supposed to be conflicted, have uncontrolled anger and exude loneliness and Adam Driver pulls that off. You also have to wonder if he is opposed with finding Luke because he wants to kill his master or he secretly hopes Luke can stop him. You can make similar arguments about Vader and his quest to find Luke.
yeah I thought that was perfect. He is supposed to be somewhat goofy looking, he's trying to emulate Darth Vader without a real understanding of who he was and why. honestly I thought Kylo was perfectly written and acted. he is essentially a super powerful kid who never finished his training and never really had a proper childhood and that comes through very clear
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