EPT[TV] The Legend of Korra - Page 30
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Half
United States2554 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On April 24 2012 06:19 megapants wrote: I'm not straying from my original point, which was that the characters personalities are not so easily comparable because the writers wished to avoid retreading and that they were born directly from the plot and their situation. Your point seems to me to be that Korra was not bound to be the character that she is and that the creators simply decided to do so on a whim, if you will, which I think is false. In my eyes, there was pretty much no other character Korra could have been. Delving into some spiritual dialect here, it was her destiny to be the character that she is. You don't seem to want to put the two aspects together and understand how they clearly are dependent on each other. Her personality is rooted from character conflict even though it hasn't actually happened to her yet. Her personality may not be caused by her struggles, but it was directly decided on by the story and the conflicts that would have to take place for the story to be interesting. My point is that the creators created the personality for a reason, and that reason being that there was no choice to do so based on the plot that was bound to be developed - not to simply avoid retreading. All in all, Korra was going to be a character who seeks answers to her questions - in a time of peace, the most dramatic way to do so is with someone who does it by force. I agree that it seems like a very "chicken vs egg" discussion, but when you have a story that prioritizes plot over characters, its hard for me to believe that the characters they considered even laid a dent in the plot they had planned out. Regardless of what kind of character Korra was going to be, the outcome of the overarching story was going to remain the same. They simply decided on her personality to spice it up to the max, regardless of whether they realized it or not (which I highly doubt they would do without realizing, being the professionals they are). One can say, "Right when The Last Airbender ended the creators were like, 'alright, we're making the next Avatar the exact opposite of Aang.'" However, the way I see it, the creators had prefaced that thought with "Alright guys, next series is gonna be about how the world that Aang creates goes into the shithole," like half-way before The Last Airbender even ended, possibly before even actually producing the first series. Well yeah and my point was that the creators have specifically said otherwise themselves. You can build a story around having a character you KNOW is going to act a certain way. For instance, most writers who write several books in a series don't have everything planned out from the get go, despite their characters having personalities from the get go. They then build upon the story in a way that fits with their current world and characters they've already established. When Michael and Bryan were developing Korra, they weren't even sure they were going to get a second season -- which is now CONFIRMED to be happening, and possibly more depending on how they feel about the project when the time comes. Everything I've seen from the creators themselves speaks against your idea about how the story was made and Korra's character was created to fit with it. | ||
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SoulTakerz
Canada353 Posts
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Thienan567
United States670 Posts
Which kind of just, it bugs me. But doesn't detract from the viewing experience! | ||
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darkmetal505
United States639 Posts
On April 24 2012 03:03 Clarity_nl wrote: When she got pressured really hard in the tournament she instinctively earthbended, even when she knew she shouldn't. Should count? ^^ Yea, I can give her that one. But Earth and Air seem to be the quickest "get off me" defense element. I'm basing this off of Aang's fight with Ozai. Since Korra can't completely air bend, I'm assuming she blocked the shots with Earth bending on a reflex. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On April 24 2012 09:24 SoulTakerz wrote: anyone knows when ep.4 coming out? Every sunday. So that would be april 29.  | ||
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RusHXceL
United States1004 Posts
its still got the style/jokes. good work | ||
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SoulTakerz
Canada353 Posts
ty, looking forward to it =] so good | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On April 24 2012 09:27 Thienan567 wrote: One actually major nitpick I have with LoK is that they don't show the firebenders taking extra care to breathe right. In TLA every instance they got they showed firebenders taking a moment to collect themselves through breathe, or throughout battles spending some of their concentration and energy to control their breathing. I think, ask any martial artist and they'll tell you that breathing is a big fuckinging deal in fighting. I mean, just the other day I watched some season 1 episodes, and I found that the show focused a lot more on footwork and breathing than it does now. Which kind of just, it bugs me. But doesn't detract from the viewing experience! Part of the focus of LoK is that bending techniques have developed just as much as technology and society have. You're not looking at traditionalist benders preserving art-forms and ancient techniques, you're looking at street fighters and sport benders. It's like comparing traditional karate to boxing. | ||
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Kibibit
United States1551 Posts
On April 24 2012 09:51 RusHXceL wrote: best show ever but not same as the og avatar. its still got the style/jokes. good work I'd give it a minute, especially with the cast not fully gelling yet. You could see a lot of that comparing the first few episodes to the middle of the series. | ||
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
For Korra, you could say that she has been in training to master all three kinds of bending, and has less skill in "hand to hand combat". Or maybe it's just a small small plothole, which should not overshadow the great idea of this whole bending thing (controlling elements with martial arts). Or you could say that the new enemies are fighting with new styles of martial arts, which Korra has not seen because they may not be the optimal ways of bending fire, water, air, or earth, if they could actually bend. | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
On April 24 2012 10:17 WolfintheSheep wrote: Part of the focus of LoK is that bending techniques have developed just as much as technology and society have. You're not looking at traditionalist benders preserving art-forms and ancient techniques, you're looking at street fighters and sport benders. It's like comparing traditional karate to boxing. Even with that parallel, as long as humans retain the same anatomy, their physical exertions will demand breathing. In real life, breathing is at least as essential in MMA as it was in traditional martial arts. I feel like footwork is just as emphasized in LoK as it was in TLA. Navigating the air monks' training screens involves and manifests in deft footwork and the fruits of that were mirrored in pro bending. Would like to see more camera on the chi blockers' footwork, and on breathing in general though. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On April 24 2012 11:31 EchOne wrote: Even with that parallel, as long as humans retain the same anatomy, their physical exertions will demand breathing. In real life, breathing is at least as essential in MMA as it was in traditional martial arts. I feel like footwork is just as emphasized in LoK as it was in TLA. Navigating the air monks' training screens involves and manifests in deft footwork and the fruits of that were mirrored in pro bending. Would like to see more camera on the chi blockers' footwork, and on breathing in general though. Of course breathing is important. The point is that traditional martial arts have a lot of emphasis on stances and centering yourself, so of course you're going to see a lot more focus on Firebenders taking a pose and taking a deep breath. Not to mention that in TLA, most of the attacks were "big moves" that relied on stances and elaborate movements, while LoK focuses on a kick-boxing-esque style that involves lots of movement and jabs. | ||
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Chained
United States137 Posts
On April 24 2012 11:24 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Well you could say the two brothers are not experienced in real fighting (like you said, nub) and only good at the sport bending, under specific conditions and such. For Korra, you could say that she has been in training to master all three kinds of bending, and has less skill in "hand to hand combat". Or maybe it's just a small small plothole, which should not overshadow the great idea of this whole bending thing (controlling elements with martial arts). Or you could say that the new enemies are fighting with new styles of martial arts, which Korra has not seen because they may not be the optimal ways of bending fire, water, air, or earth, if they could actually bend. In another forum I visit, someone is complaining about that fight and thinking the show isnt going in a good direction of it, so Ive been thinking of reasons. Obviously, Mako and Bo Lin arent professional fighters, if anything, up close they are probably TERRIBLE lol. As for Korra, I think there can be plenty of reasons. Korra I believe is 16, and she was maybe 3-5 years old when they had found her? So even if she trained a bunch she would maybe have 10-12 years of training. Those guys could easily be older and have trained for longer. Not only that. Korra is learning Fire Bending, Earth Bending, and Water Bending, plus trying Air Bending, and learning (or trying to learn) about the spiritual side of being an Avatar, probably had some lessons and a whole bunch of things. So lets say those chi blockers are around 25 and started training around 18 (I feel like the starting age is probably younger, but for the sake of the conversation). Thats about 7 years of probably pure training. But not only training to chi block, they have probably learned how to fight benders specifically. Korra on the other hand who might have 10 years, has never fought those type of fighters. While the Fighters probably knew much more about Korra then she knew about them. I think its fairly easy to see why she could of lost easily. Also obviously, its a fight that is supposed to legitimize the enemy, that was basically the whole episode, to set up the Equalist. Korra/Mako fight shows that these chi blockers can take them down fairly easily. Mako/Bo Lin vs Tesla Guy, shows a different type of enemy (not all chi blockers) and of course Amon. Its a bit like the "new style" of bending the pro benders do. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On April 24 2012 10:39 Gummy wrote: This is so good! It's kind of hard to believe how easily the good guys were taken down by the chi blockers. I mean it's not like these dudes don't know how to fight WITHOUT their bending, so why waste all that energy bending when they could just face them evenly in a hand-to-hand? Maybe they're still nub. It isn't that to believe it really. We're looking at three teenagers who've throughout their lives relied on the ability to basically shoot fire and rocks from there hands could best a bunch of people who've at the same time, spent a much longer amount of time honing there much more limited physical resources as well as they could so they can fight people who can basically shoot fire from their hands. Think its pretty cool actually. True blue underdogs... Imagine being born in a world where like 5% of the population is born with basically super-powers, being one of the masses without them, yet still honing your martial skills to a point to combat them. Like why people like Batman more than superman :p | ||
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valheru
Australia966 Posts
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
And like other people have said, the benders are used to fighting in a controlled, sport arena against other benders, not in real combat vs close quarters chi blockers. Korra has never fought them and probably hasn't even trained as long as they did. It makes complete sense that a couple of teenagers got owned by people whove spent their lives devoted to fighting them. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17733 Posts
Katara first fights Ty Lee after being trained by Pakku and he even said she was a waterbending master when she finished her training. But even then she loses really easily when she first fights Ty Lee. It makes sense that someone who never fought a chi blocker doesn't know how to fight against them because chi blocking is designed so a non bender can actually fight a bender on equal footing. The next few times Katara fights Ty Lee and even when Suki fights Ty Lee again the two seem to fare a lot better. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
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