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+ Show Spoiler +Is Kuwira a fucking idiot? Get Batar Jr out and you can always come later to siege Republic City. You have the strongest army in that particular world and you obviously don't need an ambush to win against any other army. That way, you won't give out any weaknesses of your super weapon in case Batar survives. Now, all they need to do is to get Batar talk to Asami's dad and they will find a solution to that stupid shit in no fucking time (Probably a stronger EMP shockwave will get that stupidly designed mecha suit down). Speaking of that stupidly designed mecha suit: Does anyone wonder why nobody builds tanks in a humanoid shape? Because it's fucking ten motherfucking hundred motherfucking billion motherfucking times motherfucking easier to FUCKING KNOCK THAT SHIT OUT OF BALANCE THAN THAT SHIT REGAINING ITS OWN BALANCE AFTER GETTING ITS LEGS SWEPT. I mean, just imagine yourself walking on a straight path and once you lift your back foot for a step, a huge ass fucking obstacle just randomly appears and you stumble your foot upon that huge ass fucking obstacle. You'll either regain your balance after some stupid movement or you'll fall. In the humanoid robot's case, that shit WILL fall. Because it moves nowhere as fast as an average human. Hell, it moves slower than the fattest motherfucker on earth. Just earthbend a huge ass fucking obstacle on that shit's next step and an earthquake will happen off of that robot's fall. I'm so mad I want to punch a 10 hour old kitten to its painful death. Also: This video shows a viable way to beat Kuwira's giant ass fucking humanoid that carries her trump card. EDIT 2: I'm pretty sure that the obstacle shenanigan will work like a motherfucking wonder. It will AT THE VERY FUCKING LEAST give Korra and co. enough time to break the fuck into the robot 5 fucking times until the robot gets up.
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What makes the robots shitty in my books is how poorly designed they are. Yeah, I get 3d models en masse really, really fucking help with budget because of the options they open, but where it's been done in a way that sort of blends with the world before (A lot of the airships and Asami's car(s?) are good examples of 3d models designed to fit into an anime render without looking like trash) the mechs stick out like a sore thumb, and don't have interesting design -or- animation. To an extent, it's forgivable, but drawing so much attention to it via the giant mech is kinda shitty. Stick to your forte, designers and animators, your skills with 3d are super basic and it really shows.
That said, a lot of the digipainting backgrounds in the last episode were pretty fucking great. There was a pan through town and a mountain range that stuck out in particular.
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Varrick the boss xD whole show worth it just for him
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+ Show Spoiler +Some of us expected a giant mecha since the title of the next episode is The Colossus. I didn't think Kuvira was actually willing to kill Bataar Jr.
And I'm still not sure why Bataar took the threat so seriously. So the Avatar flees from Kuvira, it's only a matter of time before she's found and if she doesn't she still has the Earth Kingdom. Assuming that's the reach of her ambition she'll stop there.
It's imo disrespectful to name a son Jr. imo as it does make them seem like a shadow of you. Every time they want to say their name they have to say yours and follow with Jr.
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+ Show Spoiler +Humanoid shape for the giant robot is kind of explained by it directly mimicking the movements of Kuvira inside, she would have trouble controlling a spider-shaped bot or quadrapod that way.
The whole "torture" scene though was completely unnecessary though. They can't show the logical thing to do because it's a kid's show, so it's all pretty awkward.
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Even though they pretty much said it wasn't happening two episodes ago, I REALLY hope we get a Toph vs Kuvira showdown. But of course, we're going to get Korra to magically become infallible and unstoppable, as usual.
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+ Show Spoiler +Why is the whenever Iroh(young one that is) shows up in this series his role is pretty much to supply a navy for fodder?
He's like "Hi guys i brought my army." 30 secs later all his boats have been sunk.
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Man, I will defend this show up, down and sideways, but even I think that giant robot looks absolutely awful. I agree that the animation makes it stick out in a poor way, and beyond that it strains the suspension of disbelief. Sure, Avatar is already plenty unrealistic, but it's primarily been in a fantasy direction (bending/magic, spirits, martial arts). You can't just take an established fantasy universe and then start throwing in science-fiction elements. Cars, ships, and zeppelins are acceptable as they mimic real-world equivalents (and their idiosyncratic differences from the real versions really enhance the show imo) but this giant robot is too far beyond either real-world superweapons or established Avatar-world fantasy weapons/powers; I can't take it entirely seriously (though having Kuvira control it by duplicating body motions was a nice touch).
Also, amusingly enough, I was less squeamish about the "torture" of Bataar (she couldn't have at least threatened to take his bending away or something?) than his capture in the first place. (Kidnapping an enemy commander en route to a peace negotiation after you've already surrendered? Isn't that against the Geneva Convention or something?)
Edit: found it
+ Show Spoiler + http://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Geneva_Convention/Protocol_IArt. 37 Prohibition of Perfidy 1. It is prohibited to kill, injure or capture an adversary by resort to perfidy. Acts inviting the confidence of an adversary to lead him to believe that he is entitled to, or is obliged to accord, protection under the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict, with intent to betray that confidence, shall constitute perfidy. The following acts are examples of perfidy: (a) the feigning of an intent to negotiate under a flag of truce or of a surrender; ...
This is how you know you're outside the show's demographic, when this stuff bothers you lol
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This is how you know you're outside the show's demographic, when this stuff bothers you lol
Yes... Yes it is.
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On December 13 2014 11:37 jubil wrote:Man, I will defend this show up, down and sideways, but even I think that giant robot looks absolutely awful. I agree that the animation makes it stick out in a poor way, and beyond that it strains the suspension of disbelief. Sure, Avatar is already plenty unrealistic, but it's primarily been in a fantasy direction (bending/magic, spirits, martial arts). You can't just take an established fantasy universe and then start throwing in science-fiction elements. Cars, ships, and zeppelins are acceptable as they mimic real-world equivalents (and their idiosyncratic differences from the real versions really enhance the show imo) but this giant robot is too far beyond either real-world superweapons or established Avatar-world fantasy weapons/powers; I can't take it entirely seriously (though having Kuvira control it by duplicating body motions was a nice touch). Also, amusingly enough, I was less squeamish about the "torture" of Bataar (she couldn't have at least threatened to take his bending away or something?) than his capture in the first place. (Kidnapping an enemy commander en route to a peace negotiation after you've already surrendered? Isn't that against the Geneva Convention or something?) Edit: found it + Show Spoiler + http://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Geneva_Convention/Protocol_IArt. 37 Prohibition of Perfidy 1. It is prohibited to kill, injure or capture an adversary by resort to perfidy. Acts inviting the confidence of an adversary to lead him to believe that he is entitled to, or is obliged to accord, protection under the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict, with intent to betray that confidence, shall constitute perfidy. The following acts are examples of perfidy: (a) the feigning of an intent to negotiate under a flag of truce or of a surrender; ... This is how you know you're outside the show's demographic, when this stuff bothers you lol
Baatar isn't a bender.
Otherwise, I agree.
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On December 13 2014 11:37 jubil wrote:Man, I will defend this show up, down and sideways, but even I think that giant robot looks absolutely awful. I agree that the animation makes it stick out in a poor way, and beyond that it strains the suspension of disbelief. Sure, Avatar is already plenty unrealistic, but it's primarily been in a fantasy direction (bending/magic, spirits, martial arts). You can't just take an established fantasy universe and then start throwing in science-fiction elements. Cars, ships, and zeppelins are acceptable as they mimic real-world equivalents (and their idiosyncratic differences from the real versions really enhance the show imo) but this giant robot is too far beyond either real-world superweapons or established Avatar-world fantasy weapons/powers; I can't take it entirely seriously (though having Kuvira control it by duplicating body motions was a nice touch). Also, amusingly enough, I was less squeamish about the "torture" of Bataar (she couldn't have at least threatened to take his bending away or something?) than his capture in the first place. (Kidnapping an enemy commander en route to a peace negotiation after you've already surrendered? Isn't that against the Geneva Convention or something?) Edit: found it + Show Spoiler + http://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Geneva_Convention/Protocol_IArt. 37 Prohibition of Perfidy 1. It is prohibited to kill, injure or capture an adversary by resort to perfidy. Acts inviting the confidence of an adversary to lead him to believe that he is entitled to, or is obliged to accord, protection under the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict, with intent to betray that confidence, shall constitute perfidy. The following acts are examples of perfidy: (a) the feigning of an intent to negotiate under a flag of truce or of a surrender; ... This is how you know you're outside the show's demographic, when this stuff bothers you lol
It's only a warcrime if you lose, which Korra won't. Its painfully obvious that Bataar will feel betrayed, and will tell the gang how to defeat the mech. Then Korra goes into the Avatar state because she's no longer suffering from PTSD and defeats Kuvira herself.
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On December 13 2014 11:37 jubil wrote:Man, I will defend this show up, down and sideways, but even I think that giant robot looks absolutely awful. I agree that the animation makes it stick out in a poor way, and beyond that it strains the suspension of disbelief. Sure, Avatar is already plenty unrealistic, but it's primarily been in a fantasy direction (bending/magic, spirits, martial arts). You can't just take an established fantasy universe and then start throwing in science-fiction elements. Cars, ships, and zeppelins are acceptable as they mimic real-world equivalents (and their idiosyncratic differences from the real versions really enhance the show imo) but this giant robot is too far beyond either real-world superweapons or established Avatar-world fantasy weapons/powers; I can't take it entirely seriously (though having Kuvira control it by duplicating body motions was a nice touch).
Also, amusingly enough, I was less squeamish about the "torture" of Bataar (she couldn't have at least threatened to take his bending away or something?) than his capture in the first place. (Kidnapping an enemy commander en route to a peace negotiation after you've already surrendered? Isn't that against the Geneva Convention or something?) Edit: found it + Show Spoiler + http://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Geneva_Convention/Protocol_IArt. 37 Prohibition of Perfidy 1. It is prohibited to kill, injure or capture an adversary by resort to perfidy. Acts inviting the confidence of an adversary to lead him to believe that he is entitled to, or is obliged to accord, protection under the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict, with intent to betray that confidence, shall constitute perfidy. The following acts are examples of perfidy: (a) the feigning of an intent to negotiate under a flag of truce or of a surrender; ... This is how you know you're outside the show's demographic, when this stuff bothers you lol
The body-mimic of a giant robot is part of what made it unappealing, imo. Look back at Avatar combat in the past - not that they should never change, but it's usually cool, flowy, imaginitive bending-based combat. When you say cool, flowy, and imaginitive, the first thing to come to mind is probably not "Colossal robot" but that's still the design choice they went with for transporting the giant deathlaser. Personally, I think a GIANT somewhat clunky tank, with treads powered hamster-wheel style by benders leaves a lot more options open for reinforcing the idea of Kuvira's dictatorship, by showing it run by people forced to do her grunt work for her once again. It makes for a landscape for actual bender battles between Kuvira and whomever actually can challenge her, and doesn't railroad the combat into what it probably will be.
I mean, there are merits to the choice, as it now sets them up for yet another "Korra the giant" spirit battle that can be solved by killing -only- the bad guy... but overall I don't think it plays into the strengths of the show, and I'm personally -really- hoping they solve this conflict with some combination of Tenzin and family, Korra, and the Beifongs, rather than just have Korra go giant spirit creature godzilla fight. Though I wouldn't mind normal-sized Korra going full ragemonkey again. That was pretty cool.
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I wonder if/how they plan to reintroduce Hiroshi Sato into this. Seems like a waste to have him appear and be mentioned multiple times if not to play a part.
Maybe he has a secret supply of OP Equalist weaponry stashed away in another secret factory?
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On December 13 2014 13:33 Fleetfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 11:37 jubil wrote:Man, I will defend this show up, down and sideways, but even I think that giant robot looks absolutely awful. I agree that the animation makes it stick out in a poor way, and beyond that it strains the suspension of disbelief. Sure, Avatar is already plenty unrealistic, but it's primarily been in a fantasy direction (bending/magic, spirits, martial arts). You can't just take an established fantasy universe and then start throwing in science-fiction elements. Cars, ships, and zeppelins are acceptable as they mimic real-world equivalents (and their idiosyncratic differences from the real versions really enhance the show imo) but this giant robot is too far beyond either real-world superweapons or established Avatar-world fantasy weapons/powers; I can't take it entirely seriously (though having Kuvira control it by duplicating body motions was a nice touch).
Also, amusingly enough, I was less squeamish about the "torture" of Bataar (she couldn't have at least threatened to take his bending away or something?) than his capture in the first place. (Kidnapping an enemy commander en route to a peace negotiation after you've already surrendered? Isn't that against the Geneva Convention or something?) Edit: found it + Show Spoiler + http://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Geneva_Convention/Protocol_IArt. 37 Prohibition of Perfidy 1. It is prohibited to kill, injure or capture an adversary by resort to perfidy. Acts inviting the confidence of an adversary to lead him to believe that he is entitled to, or is obliged to accord, protection under the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict, with intent to betray that confidence, shall constitute perfidy. The following acts are examples of perfidy: (a) the feigning of an intent to negotiate under a flag of truce or of a surrender; ... This is how you know you're outside the show's demographic, when this stuff bothers you lol The body-mimic of a giant robot is part of what made it unappealing, imo. Look back at Avatar combat in the past - not that they should never change, but it's usually cool, flowy, imaginitive bending-based combat. When you say cool, flowy, and imaginitive, the first thing to come to mind is probably not "Colossal robot" but that's still the design choice they went with for transporting the giant deathlaser. Personally, I think a GIANT somewhat clunky tank, with treads powered hamster-wheel style by benders leaves a lot more options open for reinforcing the idea of Kuvira's dictatorship, by showing it run by people forced to do her grunt work for her once again. It makes for a landscape for actual bender battles between Kuvira and whomever actually can challenge her, and doesn't railroad the combat into what it probably will be. I mean, there are merits to the choice, as it now sets them up for yet another "Korra the giant" spirit battle that can be solved by killing -only- the bad guy... but overall I don't think it plays into the strengths of the show, and I'm personally -really- hoping they solve this conflict with some combination of Tenzin and family, Korra, and the Beifongs, rather than just have Korra go giant spirit creature godzilla fight. Though I wouldn't mind normal-sized Korra going full ragemonkey again. That was pretty cool.
Yeah, I don't like the Godzilla fights either. It'd be nice if it were another multistage fight like taking down the drill at Ba Sing Se with benders at every stage. Oh well, too late to change the script now.
The human body design may be inherently unstable compared to a tank but the thing weighs a ton. Not much in the Avatar Universe could knock it over. Maybe Iroh's ship cannons could. Without the maneuverability of a human being, I don't see the functional advantage of a human design to a tank design other than the height advantage. Maybe that's enough for Kuvira. But it looks cool like the robots in Total Annihilation or many other sci fi sources.
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On December 13 2014 14:00 obesechicken13 wrote:
The human body design may be inherently unstable compared to a tank but the thing weighs a ton. Not much in the Avatar Universe could knock it over. Maybe Iroh's ship cannons could. Without the maneuverability of a human being, I don't see the functional advantage of a human design to a tank design other than the height advantage. Maybe that's enough for Kuvira. But it looks cool like the robots in Total Annihilation or many other sci fi sources.
Well we do have Avatar State Korra who could, if all else fails, just metalbend apart one of the legs.
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On December 13 2014 14:00 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 13:33 Fleetfeet wrote:On December 13 2014 11:37 jubil wrote:Man, I will defend this show up, down and sideways, but even I think that giant robot looks absolutely awful. I agree that the animation makes it stick out in a poor way, and beyond that it strains the suspension of disbelief. Sure, Avatar is already plenty unrealistic, but it's primarily been in a fantasy direction (bending/magic, spirits, martial arts). You can't just take an established fantasy universe and then start throwing in science-fiction elements. Cars, ships, and zeppelins are acceptable as they mimic real-world equivalents (and their idiosyncratic differences from the real versions really enhance the show imo) but this giant robot is too far beyond either real-world superweapons or established Avatar-world fantasy weapons/powers; I can't take it entirely seriously (though having Kuvira control it by duplicating body motions was a nice touch).
Also, amusingly enough, I was less squeamish about the "torture" of Bataar (she couldn't have at least threatened to take his bending away or something?) than his capture in the first place. (Kidnapping an enemy commander en route to a peace negotiation after you've already surrendered? Isn't that against the Geneva Convention or something?) Edit: found it + Show Spoiler + http://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Geneva_Convention/Protocol_IArt. 37 Prohibition of Perfidy 1. It is prohibited to kill, injure or capture an adversary by resort to perfidy. Acts inviting the confidence of an adversary to lead him to believe that he is entitled to, or is obliged to accord, protection under the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict, with intent to betray that confidence, shall constitute perfidy. The following acts are examples of perfidy: (a) the feigning of an intent to negotiate under a flag of truce or of a surrender; ... This is how you know you're outside the show's demographic, when this stuff bothers you lol The body-mimic of a giant robot is part of what made it unappealing, imo. Look back at Avatar combat in the past - not that they should never change, but it's usually cool, flowy, imaginitive bending-based combat. When you say cool, flowy, and imaginitive, the first thing to come to mind is probably not "Colossal robot" but that's still the design choice they went with for transporting the giant deathlaser. Personally, I think a GIANT somewhat clunky tank, with treads powered hamster-wheel style by benders leaves a lot more options open for reinforcing the idea of Kuvira's dictatorship, by showing it run by people forced to do her grunt work for her once again. It makes for a landscape for actual bender battles between Kuvira and whomever actually can challenge her, and doesn't railroad the combat into what it probably will be. I mean, there are merits to the choice, as it now sets them up for yet another "Korra the giant" spirit battle that can be solved by killing -only- the bad guy... but overall I don't think it plays into the strengths of the show, and I'm personally -really- hoping they solve this conflict with some combination of Tenzin and family, Korra, and the Beifongs, rather than just have Korra go giant spirit creature godzilla fight. Though I wouldn't mind normal-sized Korra going full ragemonkey again. That was pretty cool. Yeah, I don't like the Godzilla fights either. It'd be nice if it were another multistage fight like taking down the drill at Ba Sing Se with benders at every stage. Oh well, too late to change the script now.The human body design may be inherently unstable compared to a tank but the thing weighs a ton. Not much in the Avatar Universe could knock it over. Maybe Iroh's ship cannons could. Without the maneuverability of a human being, I don't see the functional advantage of a human design to a tank design other than the height advantage. Maybe that's enough for Kuvira. But it looks cool like the robots in Total Annihilation or many other sci fi sources.
EXACTLY! Yes please :D
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The "obvious" solution for the Spirit Weapon is for Korra to do some Avatar-thing and like...get rid of the "Spirit" from the vine ammo? Or something like that.
But yeah, holy shit that robot looks terrible.
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On December 13 2014 14:44 WolfintheSheep wrote:
The "obvious" solution for the Spirit Weapon is for Korra to do some Avatar-thing and like...get rid of the "Spirit" from the vine ammo? Or something like that.
But yeah, holy shit that robot looks terrible.
Wouldn't be surprised if: Giant mecha-robot overpowers all the defenders, just when Kuivra is about to strike the killing blow the spirits come out and start powering up Korra, and the serpent dude tells Korra they have to work together to stop Kuvira from destroying Republic City and killing Spirits.
Sato might come back to stop the robot itself or something, or maybe provide some key tech to activate the flying mechas during the army battle.
Baatar isn't a bender.
Otherwise, I agree.
Oh shit, somehow I didn't even realize he wasn't, all his family are, and Kuvira is, so I just assumed : /
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On December 13 2014 15:29 jubil wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 14:44 WolfintheSheep wrote:
The "obvious" solution for the Spirit Weapon is for Korra to do some Avatar-thing and like...get rid of the "Spirit" from the vine ammo? Or something like that.
But yeah, holy shit that robot looks terrible. Wouldn't be surprised if: Giant mecha-robot overpowers all the defenders, just when Kuivra is about to strike the killing blow the spirits come out and start powering up Korra, and the serpent dude tells Korra they have to work together to stop Kuvira from destroying Republic City and killing Spirits. Sato might come back to stop the robot itself or something, or maybe provide some key tech to activate the flying mechas during the army battle. Oh shit, somehow I didn't even realize he wasn't, all his family are, and Kuvira is, so I just assumed : /
To be fair Opal wasn't until harmonic convergence. But yeah if he's a bender he's never done it and I doubt he is. In general I always disliked giant robots, but they had to come up with something now that Korra is healed there is no way Kuviera would stand a chance lol.
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On December 13 2014 15:29 jubil wrote:
Oh shit, somehow I didn't even realize he wasn't, all his family are, and Kuvira is, so I just assumed : /
And now you know why he finally went off the edge and betrayed his family. As the descendant of a super famous bending family, only he and Opal were non benders. Suddenly, Opal gets airbending and now he's the odd man out of the children. His constant inferiority complex towards his father is only exacerbated by his feeling of worthlessness next to his siblings.
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