just the fact that she was that close to her family.
george really play some good tricks
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
April 19 2012 14:08 GMT
#1761
just the fact that she was that close to her family. george really play some good tricks | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
April 19 2012 14:12 GMT
#1762
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Manit0u
Poland17627 Posts
April 19 2012 14:34 GMT
#1763
Just look at that: | ||
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Zozo
Brazil2579 Posts
April 19 2012 14:37 GMT
#1764
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RvB
Netherlands6261 Posts
April 19 2012 14:46 GMT
#1765
On April 19 2012 23:37 Zozo wrote: I can't wait for season 4, the scene with the red viper vs. the mountain and everything that builds up to it. One can only hope that whoever they cast as Oberyn is amazing :D Should be difficult to be bad when you're casting such a badass character | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
April 19 2012 14:46 GMT
#1766
On April 19 2012 23:34 Manit0u wrote: Damn, I just can't wait for when the Red Wedding appears on the show and to see the outrage among people who haven't read the books. This will be glorious! Just look at that: His immediate reaction was even better: | ||
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Maginor
Norway505 Posts
April 19 2012 20:23 GMT
#1767
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
April 19 2012 20:55 GMT
#1768
On April 19 2012 22:39 -Archangel- wrote: Show nested quote + On April 19 2012 02:05 D10 wrote: Using the D&D 9 alignments doesnt work on real people You need to use an advantages/disadvantages system like GURPS. Of course they do.. when you understand how they work. D&D alignment system is rigid because it works on the principle of universal truth. They can be applied to any world once you use same universal truth to it. In Tyrion case he is Lawful Neutral or just True Neutral. Yes, he does some questionable stuff at times like getting the singer killed, kills his father and Shae in rage, but he does good things towards people where he would not have any benefit. In comparison Tywin is Neutral Evil, he uses laws and traditions to further his goals and breaks them when it suits him (red wedding). And of course he starts wars and kills anyone in his path to further his goal and uses anyone that he doesn't kill. But that is such a flawed way to percieve morality. To me good, true good, is about selflessness, charity and truthfullness and maybe a pacifism towards innocent people, its about trying to solve evil with good instead of more evil. While evil would be the other side, selfishness, greed, sadism, callousness, obsessions of power Neutral people are the ones somewhere in between, maybe greedy but truthful and pacifist and all the varions of people who are neither selfless nor selfish PS: theres a difference from contiously looking after yourself first in a bad place, and being a selfish dick | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
April 19 2012 21:18 GMT
#1769
On April 20 2012 05:55 D10 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 19 2012 22:39 -Archangel- wrote: On April 19 2012 02:05 D10 wrote: Using the D&D 9 alignments doesnt work on real people You need to use an advantages/disadvantages system like GURPS. Of course they do.. when you understand how they work. D&D alignment system is rigid because it works on the principle of universal truth. They can be applied to any world once you use same universal truth to it. In Tyrion case he is Lawful Neutral or just True Neutral. Yes, he does some questionable stuff at times like getting the singer killed, kills his father and Shae in rage, but he does good things towards people where he would not have any benefit. In comparison Tywin is Neutral Evil, he uses laws and traditions to further his goals and breaks them when it suits him (red wedding). And of course he starts wars and kills anyone in his path to further his goal and uses anyone that he doesn't kill. But that is such a flawed way to percieve morality. To me good, true good, is about selflessness, charity and truthfullness and maybe a pacifism towards innocent people, its about trying to solve evil with good instead of more evil. While evil would be the other side, selfishness, greed, sadism, callousness, obsessions of power Neutral people are the ones somewhere in between, maybe greedy but truthful and pacifist and all the varions of people who are neither selfless nor selfish PS: theres a difference from contiously looking after yourself first in a bad place, and being a selfish dick I am not saying I am using D&D system to perceive real people, but it is possible. Actually most religious people work by the principle of universal truth and give people names based on that. | ||
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Tantaburs
Canada1825 Posts
April 19 2012 21:40 GMT
#1770
On April 19 2012 19:14 adriftt wrote: Show nested quote + On April 18 2012 16:51 bittman wrote: On April 18 2012 15:37 SF-Fork wrote: I actually believe the Blackfish is not such an important character. He jumped of the castle walls into the river with bowmen shooting at him. Wouldn't it be martinesque is we just never hear from him again, while keeping our hopes and expectations high? Sooooo Benjen Stark? =P You're right, it could be very martin-esque to just have the Blackfish turn up on shore drowned. I don't think he's "important", but I do think he'll reappear. Even if he doesn't, I think Edmund Tully, though "captive" may have grown a pair post Red Wedding. Regardless, I wonder how the Riverlands will fare in the future. Are they something to factor into Littlefingers plans? Will they side again with the north? Also I have a question, does anyone else think that perhaps the ultimate plan by George Martin is to have a representative of each major house (the 7 kingdoms) unite at the end to return the lands to peace? I keep trying to think "If you could have a champion/liegelord to represent each kingdom at the end for unity of the lands, who will they be?". I mean, it feels like people like Sansa and Theon are set up to be the new representatives for a house which may promote unity. I wonder if there is to be a representative for all? In FFC (I think, might be DWD) Littlefinger basically tells Sansa that his end game is having her marry the guy that is somewhere in line for the succession in the Eyrie. Then using her claim to the Eyrie (because obviously the people in front of her husband in succession will magically disappear) and her Tully blood to raise the Riverlands + Vale and press her claim to Winterfell. Also remember that, as far as I know, Littlefinger is still techincally the liege lord of the riverlands as he is given that title by the Lannisters along with Harrenhal for his role in bringing about the Lannister/Tyrell alliance before the battle at Kings Landing. They don't have any reason to take away his title because the Riverlands are basically still a war zone and no one is going to be actually using the title any time soon. Although towards the end of the last two books the siege at Riverrun is finally over so we will see what happens. Of course this is Littlefinger saying all of this so who knows what he will actually do. IIRC he is planning to have her marry Robin Arryn who is Lord of the eyrie | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
April 19 2012 21:41 GMT
#1771
On April 20 2012 06:40 Tantaburs wrote: Show nested quote + On April 19 2012 19:14 adriftt wrote: On April 18 2012 16:51 bittman wrote: On April 18 2012 15:37 SF-Fork wrote: I actually believe the Blackfish is not such an important character. He jumped of the castle walls into the river with bowmen shooting at him. Wouldn't it be martinesque is we just never hear from him again, while keeping our hopes and expectations high? Sooooo Benjen Stark? =P You're right, it could be very martin-esque to just have the Blackfish turn up on shore drowned. I don't think he's "important", but I do think he'll reappear. Even if he doesn't, I think Edmund Tully, though "captive" may have grown a pair post Red Wedding. Regardless, I wonder how the Riverlands will fare in the future. Are they something to factor into Littlefingers plans? Will they side again with the north? Also I have a question, does anyone else think that perhaps the ultimate plan by George Martin is to have a representative of each major house (the 7 kingdoms) unite at the end to return the lands to peace? I keep trying to think "If you could have a champion/liegelord to represent each kingdom at the end for unity of the lands, who will they be?". I mean, it feels like people like Sansa and Theon are set up to be the new representatives for a house which may promote unity. I wonder if there is to be a representative for all? In FFC (I think, might be DWD) Littlefinger basically tells Sansa that his end game is having her marry the guy that is somewhere in line for the succession in the Eyrie. Then using her claim to the Eyrie (because obviously the people in front of her husband in succession will magically disappear) and her Tully blood to raise the Riverlands + Vale and press her claim to Winterfell. Also remember that, as far as I know, Littlefinger is still techincally the liege lord of the riverlands as he is given that title by the Lannisters along with Harrenhal for his role in bringing about the Lannister/Tyrell alliance before the battle at Kings Landing. They don't have any reason to take away his title because the Riverlands are basically still a war zone and no one is going to be actually using the title any time soon. Although towards the end of the last two books the siege at Riverrun is finally over so we will see what happens. Of course this is Littlefinger saying all of this so who knows what he will actually do. IIRC he is planning to have her marry Robin Arryn who is Lord of the eyrie That's the play for now, but he's actually marrying her off to Harrold Hardying (who I assume is maniputable/corrupt), who is Robert's heir through a complex line of sucession. And with Robert's frail health... | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
April 19 2012 22:40 GMT
#1772
On April 19 2012 23:34 Manit0u wrote: Damn, I just can't wait for when the Red Wedding appears on the show and to see the outrage among people who haven't read the books. This will be glorious! Just look at that: + Show Spoiler + that was pretty much my reaction when i read that chapter for the first time. i almost stopped reading the books. then the red wedding happened and i actually did stop reading the books. tried to start back up again when DwD came out, but i couldn't even make it halfway through it. i'm gonna try watching the show, but i feel like it probably still has all the parts about aSoIaF that i hate... | ||
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Bart
494 Posts
April 20 2012 00:36 GMT
#1773
maybe in the TV series Robb was going out in the middle of the night to take a piss and falls down the stairs knocking into his wife and mother thus how they all died. | ||
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scudst0rm
Canada1149 Posts
April 20 2012 00:39 GMT
#1774
On April 20 2012 09:36 Bart wrote: maybe the red wedding won't be shown in the TV series. The second season is soooooooo different from the second book :/ They're still hitting all the major plot points. And I definitely consider the red wedding a major plot point. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
April 20 2012 00:40 GMT
#1775
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mrgerry
United States1508 Posts
April 20 2012 00:42 GMT
#1776
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renlynn
United States276 Posts
April 20 2012 00:53 GMT
#1777
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
April 20 2012 01:12 GMT
#1778
On April 19 2012 23:34 Manit0u wrote: Damn, I just can't wait for when the Red Wedding appears on the show and to see the outrage among people who haven't read the books. This will be glorious! Just look at that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOoA1OtcNjM this was the funniest thing ive watched in a while, ASOIF doesnt have a main character. i think dude just got a little bit of a mancrush on sean bean hehe i cant wait for oberyn vs the mountain too, but im more interested in seeing tyrion give it to tywin when he's on he shitter... thats gonna be hilarious | ||
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Bart
494 Posts
April 20 2012 01:21 GMT
#1779
On April 20 2012 09:53 renlynn wrote: they can force robb to go through with the marriage he originally dumped instead, or introduce edmure later and make him a more minor character, or lots of other things. im sure everyone will still be properly shocked. this sounds plausible. However if Robb does go through with the forced marriage to the Frey girl then Lord Walder Frey wouldn't have a reason to kill em all. In the book he killed em all cos Robb didn't marry his daughter. I think the plot might be the marriage of a Frey girl to an absent Bran Stark as compromise in which the marriage won't result in the crown of the North to Bran Stark and the Frey girl's children (ie Lord Frey's decendent) because they can't have any as Bran is paralysed from waist down. Thus the ploy by Lord Walder to lure Robb's army into the Frey walls. | ||
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Surrealistic
311 Posts
April 20 2012 01:44 GMT
#1780
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