[TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion - Page 87

On April 17 2012 11:38 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
a minor detail but come on! there was even an explanation for his baldness (didnt believe in half measures -> shaved his head when he started losing his hair)

On April 17 2012 18:02 Geo.Rion wrote:
I agree that Tywin is perfectly cast, but honestly, why is he despicable? I really liked him in the books and in the series. Name one evil or unnatural deed he has done? He's a strong handed Machiavellian leader. About his hair, i think he looks better like this, just like Syrio, he was explicitly said to be bold, but his curvey hair in the series + his accent really make him genuine. Also, as i said before, all the Lannisters are pretty much perfect / as i imagined them (aside from Myrcella)

I also agree, that while Peter Drinklage does an amazing job, it's rather hard to not be loved when u're playing the wittiest, funniest and most complex character. As long as one doesnt fail utterly, he'll be praised in a role like that, especially because there's no chance to compare him to anyone, how many dwarf actors play in roles even remootley similar to his? 0. I dont mean to take any credit away, just saying.

I m not sure if they can introduce the Reeds in the 3rd season, why would they wonder somewhere north of Winterfell and randomly meet with Bran? I can see Osha+Hodor being the companions of Bran, takes a lot away from that storyline but w/e, but you need someone who takes Rickon to Skaggos. Master Luvin is not that person, he's very old and seems weak, plus he'd surely take Rickon to White Harbor since he's aware of Manderly's lotalty, or one of the other castles, definetly not to a wild Island, no way. Maybe he'll take Rickon and get captured by Skagg pirates? Idk, we dont really know what s the situation with Rickon there, is he captive or hiding or what...

I was sure Beric and Thoros will be in the show, but as i checked the cast i realized they aren't... I realy hope they just decided to move them to season 3, there are just too many important lines which are connected to them (arya, gendry, catelyn, the hound)

On April 17 2012 18:17 moopie wrote:

Ummm...


- dislikes Tyrion because he is a dwarf, and blames him for the death of Joanna.
- lied to his son about the wife he married and said she was a whore so that they would split up (and made his other son an accomplice).
- had his father's mistress stripped naked and paraded her in the streets of Lannisport.
- ordered the death of Rhaegar's wife and children and then presented their corpses as gifts to Robert.
- orchestrated the Red Wedding (breaking sacred guest rights).
- ordered his bannerman Gregor Clegane to commit all sorts of evil shit, like burning, raping and pillaging in the Riverlands (first to draw out Eddard, who instead sent Beric, and then during the war of the 5 kings).
- slept with his son's mistress after all the bullshit he put him through, and let her wear the necklace of the hand, making him just about the biggest hypocrite in the book. (unless Varys set up that entire deal which is debatable).

On April 17 2012 18:19 GGQ wrote:


Beric was seen during one season 1 when Ned ordered him to bring the Mountain before the King's justice. We may not see him during season 2 but maybe in season 3 Arya and Gendry will run into him.

On April 17 2012 18:31 Geo.Rion wrote:

1. Completly normal, for a proud and influential man like him, having a dwarf son and losing his beloved wife is reasonable incentive to dislike him
2. well yes, that s kinda fucked up, true, not 100% unreasonable since u dont want one of ur family to be married to a peasant.
3. Completly reasonable, his father was a weak lord and his mistress was stealing and using his mother's cloths and jewelry. He had the right idea to show that times have changed (but still, this isnt known in the series so shouldnt count when it comes down to despicable characters being nominated)
4. He did not orchestrate it, i'm not sure about whose idea it was, maybe his, but still, he got rid of a dangerous enemy the easy way, and he did not brake any guest rights (that s all on the Freys), so as far as the Red Wddig goes, it's a good move and no desacration on his part.
5. Completly normal warfare tactics
6. Yes, that was so fucked up and out of his character, i kinda forgot about it, i favor the idea of Varrys setting it up to make sure Tyrion rids him of Tywinn. If not, than yes, that's very despicable, true.

On April 17 2012 18:31 Geo.Rion wrote:

1. Completly normal, for a proud and influential man like him, having a dwarf son and losing his beloved wife is reasonable incentive to dislike him
2. well yes, that s kinda fucked up, true, not 100% unreasonable since u dont want one of ur family to be married to a peasant.
3. Completly reasonable, his father was a weak lord and his mistress was stealing and using his mother's cloths and jewelry. He had the right idea to show that times have changed (but still, this isnt known in the series so shouldnt count when it comes down to despicable characters being nominated)
4. He did not orchestrate it, i'm not sure about whose idea it was, maybe his, but still, he got rid of a dangerous enemy the easy way, and he did not brake any guest rights (that s all on the Freys), so as far as the Red Wddig goes, it's a good move and no desacration on his part.
5. Completly normal warfare tactics
6. Yes, that was so fucked up and out of his character, i kinda forgot about it, i favor the idea of Varrys setting it up to make sure Tyrion rids him of Tywinn. If not, than yes, that's very despicable, true.

On April 18 2012 01:25 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:
I think Arya and the kids will be brought to Harrenhal now by Lorch? It would save some boring episodes in the riverlands and just skip Gendry being caught by the Mountain, but instead, by Amory Lorch. I dunno if the producers will have time to fit in all the story line for Arya into the next 7 episodes roaming the riverlands. So I think they will be brought to Harrenhal now, since there are plenty of episodes in Harrenhal as well. Being captured by Bolton takes up couple episodes I'd assume, then the escape. I cannot recall when she escaped in the book... its been so long.

On April 18 2012 04:29 Leth0 wrote:
Good luck to any of Geo.Rions children if he has any.

On April 18 2012 06:52 Geo.Rion wrote:

i started out saying he's a Machiavellian type leader, which is not evil in my opinion. I never claimed i as an individual would have made any of his decisions. I'm saying his character is a strong handed leader, who doesnt take morals into consideration when a military or political decision must be made (not the same as being immoral or evil).
I can totally see why many consider him bad/evil/despicable, I'm trying to argue, that he is not evil, he gets things done, no matter the means, for the greater good of his House/Castely Rock.
I really like his character, not sympathize with his decision, please dont make it sound like the 2 are the same.


His relationship with Tyrion makes him look really bad, yes, but I can see the psychological factors behind it, not pure malice

On April 17 2012 18:31 Geo.Rion wrote:

1. Completly normal, for a proud and influential man like him, having a dwarf son and losing his beloved wife is reasonable incentive to dislike him
2. well yes, that s kinda fucked up, true, not 100% unreasonable since u dont want one of ur family to be married to a peasant.
3. Completly reasonable, his father was a weak lord and his mistress was stealing and using his mother's cloths and jewelry. He had the right idea to show that times have changed (but still, this isnt known in the series so shouldnt count when it comes down to despicable characters being nominated)
4. He did not orchestrate it, i'm not sure about whose idea it was, maybe his, but still, he got rid of a dangerous enemy the easy way, and he did not brake any guest rights (that s all on the Freys), so as far as the Red Wddig goes, it's a good move and no desacration on his part.
5. Completly normal warfare tactics
6. Yes, that was so fucked up and out of his character, i kinda forgot about it, i favor the idea of Varrys setting it up to make sure Tyrion rids him of Tywinn. If not, than yes, that's very despicable, true.

- ordered the death of Rhaegar's wife and children and then presented their corpses as gifts to Robert.

On April 17 2012 18:31 Geo.Rion wrote:

1. Completly normal, for a proud and influential man like him, having a dwarf son and losing his beloved wife is reasonable incentive to dislike him
2. well yes, that s kinda fucked up, true, not 100% unreasonable since u dont want one of ur family to be married to a peasant.
3. Completly reasonable, his father was a weak lord and his mistress was stealing and using his mother's cloths and jewelry. He had the right idea to show that times have changed (but still, this isnt known in the series so shouldnt count when it comes down to despicable characters being nominated)
4. He did not orchestrate it, i'm not sure about whose idea it was, maybe his, but still, he got rid of a dangerous enemy the easy way, and he did not brake any guest rights (that s all on the Freys), so as far as the Red Wddig goes, it's a good move and no desacration on his part.
5. Completly normal warfare tactics
6. Yes, that was so fucked up and out of his character, i kinda forgot about it, i favor the idea of Varrys setting it up to make sure Tyrion rids him of Tywinn. If not, than yes, that's very despicable, true.

On April 18 2012 07:21 happyness wrote:
Uh, you skipped



Which is by far the worst thing he's done and shows just how heartless he is.