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DickMcFanny

Ireland1076 Posts

June 27 2016 15:54 GMT

#14161

On June 28 2016 00:39 KwarK wrote:

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There is always a legitimate heir if you go back far enough and we saw in season 1 how detailed the genealogies are.

Would be very weird to make Robert's ancestors heirs to the throne.

It makes sense to pass the throne on to his youngers (not sure what the opposite of elders is), but not to his elders.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

June 27 2016 15:55 GMT

#14162

On June 28 2016 00:39 KwarK wrote:

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There is always a legitimate heir if you go back far enough and we saw in season 1 how detailed the genealogies are.

"Legitimate" is such a strange term at this point in the process. I am sure that someone will argue that some random Baratheon should be king, but I am sure another lord would challenge it saying that they have lost their right to the throne by entering into a deal with the Lannisters so long ago. Or that no one would follow them.

Whatever mandate the currently linage had, it blew up in the last episode. But this is why the show is the way it is, that monarchy has this flaw that everyone has a claim to the throne.

andrewlt

United States7702 Posts

June 27 2016 15:56 GMT

#14163

It will be like the Sengoku Jidai era in Japan where everybody with a big army created a detailed genealogy tracing their lineage back to the emperor (many were fake). There are some noble families in Westeros with some Targ blood. The Starks have some, including the non-Jon members. The Martells have some, if they can find somebody alive.

daemir

Finland8662 Posts

June 27 2016 16:01 GMT

#14164

On June 27 2016 23:19 Jalle wrote:
For all of Cersei's shortmindedness, blowing up the sept was actually a great, although desperate, move on her part. In one fell swoop she not only managed to save her skin, but also get rid of the Tyrells and the faith militant. Best possible outcome. In the short run at least.

Except, she didn't get rid of the Tyrells. She got rid of 3 of them, but Olenna was not there and will lead her banners to aid Dany. If anything, she managed to finally make Tyrells her enemies instead of very uneasy allies.

farvacola

United States18866 Posts

June 27 2016 16:03 GMT

#14165

I wonder if they'll go full fantasy with the blown up sept and have there be something left behind in the ruins.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

June 27 2016 16:04 GMT

#14166

Cersei is dead inside. She doesn't care anymore. All she cares about his herself and what feeds good, to quote her directly. She just wants power and nothing more.

SK.Testie

Canada11084 Posts

June 27 2016 16:16 GMT

#14167

Cersei conveys more in a scene where she's not even talking with presence and a look alone than Daenerys does in the entire show.

May Dany's dragons die. May Jon fail.

Long live the queen.

KwarK

United States44212 Posts

June 27 2016 16:17 GMT

#14168

On June 28 2016 01:01 daemir wrote:

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Olenna is most likely Tyrell by marriage only. It's possible Mace's grandfather had only daughters and therefore the line had to pass through Olenna but if it's not specified we should assume that the line passes through male and therefore Olenna married into the Tyrell line rather than it going directly through her. Mace was most likely lord because his father was, not because of who his father married.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

June 27 2016 16:20 GMT

#14169

Cersei has to die. You can't let an actress have a role that good and not give her the death scene. It would be a crime if she didn't get her shot at that after all the hard work.

farvacola

United States18866 Posts

June 27 2016 16:24 GMT

#14170

Clearly, Cersei is going to align the Lannisters with the Night King and become a whitewalker herself in the process. It's the only reasonable plot line at this point.

SK.Testie

Canada11084 Posts

June 27 2016 16:26 GMT

#14171

She's stuck between The Night King / Jon and Dany & Her Dragons. Both are imba whereas Cersei has no allies due to her being too kickass for others to notice.

The fact that she's so good would make it all the more satisfying to have her win. None of the other actors could have a winning look like she could. Jon's plain face. Sansa cold and hardened. Dany the uninspiring. Despite the countless people kneeling to her she's never had any presence on screen.

Only Cersei could deliver a great look of triumph after winning the throne.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

June 27 2016 16:27 GMT

#14172

Pretty sure Jamie just kills her because it completes both their character arcs. Maybe kills her on the iron throne because he is into stabbing people there.

SheaR619

United States2399 Posts

June 27 2016 16:30 GMT

#14173

The prophecy if I could remember properly stated that Cersei 3 children would die which did indeed happened The second major part was that she would be queen for a "time" then a younger and more beautiful queen will come to take her place. He death will come from her younger brother.

I had always thought that other queen was Margery but it turn out it is going to be Dany. Then her death is going to come from her younger brother which might actually still be Tyrion. Jamie still possible but with Dany coming, Tyrion is possible.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

June 27 2016 16:34 GMT

#14174

It is going to be Jamie, calling it now. She was born first. Once you have people committing suicide when their wife is killed by jumping out a window, you have to go full Shakespeare. There is no turning back.

231 Posts

June 27 2016 16:35 GMT

#14175

My money's still on Jamie too. Tyrion would be too obvious.

And no one frowns like Lena Headey.

Sent.

Poland9330 Posts

June 27 2016 16:37 GMT

#14176

Tyrion promised to hurt Cersei in s2 and since he's a Lannister he has to pay his debt. I guess it means she's safe until she meets her little brother.

KOFgokuon

United States14912 Posts

June 27 2016 16:46 GMT

#14177

On June 28 2016 01:17 KwarK wrote:

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She's a redwyne by birth, she also has multiple children, one of whom is married to lord paxter redwyne

SheaR619

United States2399 Posts

June 27 2016 16:54 GMT

#14178

Well in a way, Cersei got her revenge. She did end up killing the main person responsible for killing her first son Joffrey by killing Olena grandchildren and son. A Lannister truly always pays their debt.

Well Jamie and Tyrion are both younger brother supposedly so they both are candidate for potentially killing Cersei. Everyone sort of figured it was Jamie since Tyrion escaped Westeros but now that he coming back, making him kill Cersei would be quiet a shocker now that everyone expected Jamie to do it. Personally, I am predicting Cersei to be cornered by Dany army and being forced to about to use the Wildfire to finish off Kings Landing causing Jamie to come kill her. Only to not be able to kill her due to love and Tyrion show up with a crossbow and end her.

The_Red_Viper

19533 Posts

June 27 2016 17:00 GMT

#14179

It's Jaime imo. It most likely won't be Dany who forces Cersei to go super mad in the books either considering that (f)Aegon is a thing there.
The show does things differently guys.

DickMcFanny

Ireland1076 Posts

June 27 2016 17:02 GMT

#14180

Here is how it's going to play out:

Jaime's been struggling with people questioning his honour for a while now, at least since late season one / AGoT, and he always defended his deed for it being the right thing to do, right? He betrayed his vows, but he saved a lot of people from the Mad King. Aerys lost his war, but he insisted on taking the city down with him.

Now I think that Jaime will have to face his demons again in season 7, show some remorse for his act, but in the very act he will proove that, given the chance, he would do it again. Kill the Mad King (or queen) to save thousands of lives.